Toward Understanding Bill C-6 to Amend Citizenship Act; new 3/5 rule plus

[emamabd]

So according to liberal logic, don't kil anyone (citizenship fraud / treason) you lose your citizenship. Kill anyone (terrorism) , your citizenship is safe.

Would citizenship stripping/or not make a difference for a terrorist that was - say - sentenced for life in prison? While if there is no fraud penalty in place - that would encourage fraudsters more i guess.

 

[DirectEnergy]

So according to liberal logic, don't kil anyone (citizenship fraud / treason) you lose your citizenship. Kill anyone (terrorism) , your citizenship is safe.

There is no connection between citizenship and criminal offenses one may commit. Revoking citizenship is NOT a punishment/correction method according to the Criminal Code.
When you become a citizen, you assume certain responsibilities, and the country assumes a responsibility for you. If you are a bad guy, you steal, kill and cheat on your wife you will be held responsible. There is a punishment for every crime. If the punishment for terrorism is hanging or chopping off your head, then so it is. But what does it have to do with citizenship???

 

[screech339]

Would citizenship stripping/or not make a difference for a terrorist that was - say - sentenced for life in prison? While if there is no fraud penalty in place - that would encourage fraudsters more i guess.

You do realize they can get out on parole. When have you seen a case that someone actually live out their lives and die behind bars over a life sentence.

 

[screech339]

There is no connection between citizenship and criminal offenses one may commit. Revoking citizenship is NOT a punishment/correction method according to the Criminal Code.
When you become a citizen, you assume certain responsibilities, and the country assumes a responsibility for you. If you are a bad guy, you steal, kill and cheat on your wife you will be held responsible. There is a punishment for every crime. If the punishment for terrorism is hanging or chopping off your head, then so it is. But what does it have to do with citizenship???

You do realize that we don't have capital punishment in Canada. So no point is saying it's okay to hang or lop off the head for comparison. So since capital punishment doesn't exist, sending a terrorist out of Canada is a better alternative than having a terrorist walk among us again after completing their sentence.

 

[torontosm]

You do realize they can get out on parole. When have you seen a case that someone actually live out their lives and die behind bars over a life sentence.

Exactly, like the leader of the Toronto 18 who is coming out on parole next year. Kudos to all the Liberals who were determined to have this convicted terrorist who was determined to massacre Canadians living amongst us. What a joke.

 

[DirectEnergy]

You do realize that we don't have capital punishment in Canada. So no point is saying it's okay to hang or lop off the head for comparison. So since capital punishment doesn't exist, sending a terrorist out of Canada is a better alternative than having a terrorist walk among us again after completing their sentence.

Sending the terrorist out of Canada is not alternative at all. He/she is a Canadian terrorist, so it's a problem of Canada to deal with him/her. If it's not capital punishment, but a $100 fine, then let it be.
How about murderers? Why don't send them out? How about drug dealers? Do we need them in Canada?
What if every country starts sending all the bad guys somewhere? It's NOT a punishment.
If the bad guy is your citizen and he committed his crimes in your country, then deal with him.

 

[screech339]

Sending the terrorist out of Canada is not alternative at all. He/she is a Canadian terrorist, so it's a problem of Canada to deal with him/her. If it's not capital punishment, but a $100 fine, then let it be.
How about murderers? Why don't send them out? How about drug dealers? Do we need them in Canada?
What if every country starts sending all the bad guys somewhere? It's NOT a punishment.
If the bad guy is your citizen and he committed his crimes in your country, then deal with him.

You do realize that he/she has another citizenship. So he/she is no longer a Canadian terrorist, but a Jordanian terrorist, or a Libyan terrorist, or a "insert other citizenship here" terrorist.

 

[DirectEnergy]

You do realize that he/she has another citizenship. So he/she is no longer a Canadian terrorist, but a Jordanian terrorist, or a Libyan terrorist, or a "insert other citizenship here" terrorist.

Are you trying to say that a Canadian with another passport is not a Canadian?

 

[screech339]

Are you trying to say that a Canadian with another passport is not a Canadian?

Only if you commit an act of terrorism while holding another citizenship, you are not a Canadian.

You are trying to apply political correctness to me that all those holding dual citizenship are not canadian. That has nothing to do with it. I never said that and you know it. I am not falling for that BS.

 

[torontosm]

Sending the terrorist out of Canada is not alternative at all. He/she is a Canadian terrorist, so it's a problem of Canada to deal with him/her. If it's not capital punishment, but a $100 fine, then let it be.
How about murderers? Why don't send them out? How about drug dealers? Do we need them in Canada?
What if every country starts sending all the bad guys somewhere? It's NOT a punishment.
If the bad guy is your citizen and he committed his crimes in your country, then deal with him.

The difference between terrorists and murderers/drug dealers/etc. is that criminals in the latter category are not trying to kill as many Canadians as possible. How can you have someone who deliberately targets and is determined to massacre Canadians and still call them a Canadian? Would you want these terrorists living next to you? With this clownish government in power, that is exactly what will end up happening.

 

[links18]

Only if you commit an act of terrorism while holding another citizenship, you are not a Canadian.

You are trying to apply political correctness to me that all those holding dual citizenship are not canadian. That has nothing to do with it. I never said that and you know it. I am not falling for that BS.

You lost this one. Elections have consequences. Like capital punishment, citizenship stripping will no longer be the law of the land in Canada (It was probably unconstitutional anyway). The Liberals ran on appealing it, won by a remarkable number of seats and will now follow through on their campaign promise. It is was it is.

 

[links18]

Senate is in the midst of an existential crisis for several reasons that are irrelevant to this discussion. For it to vote down any legislation at this time is simply unthinkable. Besides it will soon be populated with "independent" Liberals. The short answer = everything is going to be fine.

The Senate wont stand in the way. They don't want to lose their expense accounts.

 

[guelphmm]

What matters most to would-be citizens are the proposed changes to citizenship requirements including:

Repealing the intent to reside provision that raised immigrants’ fear that their citizenship could be revoked if they moved outside of Canada.
Reducing the length of time that someone must be physically present in Canada to qualify for citizenship from four out of six years to three out of five.
Allowing time in Canada before permanent residency to count toward physical residency requirements, which would benefit refugees and those previously in Canada on study or work permits.
Amending the age range for language and citizenship knowledge exams, allowing those under 18 or older than 54 to be exempted.

Source: http://www.thestar.com/news/immigration/2016/02/25/liberals-to-unveil-changes-to-contentious-citizenship-act.html

 

[HighFive]

So folks, when we should expect this bill to come into force? May-June this year? any expectations??

 

[Politren]

So folks, when we should expect this bill to come into force? May-June this year? any expectations??

June July this year is the most optimistic scenario.