Today Passed the exam but forgot to mention one trip in the residence calculator

[mubeen241615]

Hi All

Today I passed the exam successfully in Calgary .

However i did mistake in the residence calculator. I forgot to mention one trip to India in 2012 in the residence calculator and officer asked about that one . I totally forgot how can i forgot about that trip.

Basically I mentioned that I'm in the country for 1120 days but missed the days of Feb/March 2012 days India Trip. So officer asked me about the trip, i told approximately from
Feb End - 19th March,2012 then the officer calculator and wrote the in red color in residence calculator that I'm physical available for 1098 days . She told me that i will hear in three months .

After i reached home, i looked my passport carefully about how many days i was not available in Feb/March,2012 trip and found that ,

1) I departured from Toronto on 23/Feb/2015, 18:25 pm and returned to Toronto 19/March/2015, 13:05.
Now how many days I missed to mention in the residence calculator. Please calculate carefully and let me know.

2) Will the CIC counts as 23/Feb/2015, 18:25 pm and 19/March/2015, 13:05 as one day physically present in the canada or not .

2) Officer wrote that I'm physical present 1098 days with RED COLOR pen on the residence calculator . My questions are

a) Will the CIC again calculate how many days i was available in the four years (becz interview officer already told 1098 days) ?

b) If I missed one day also (not available 1095 days) then will my application get rejected ?

Please let me know

Thanks

Regards
Mubeen

 

[Bigudi]

Hello there,
I am no expert, but I might help with some inputs. Let's see if I can be useful.

1) I departured from Toronto on 23/Feb/2015, 18:25 pm and returned to Toronto 19/March/2015, 13:05.
Now how many days I missed to mention in the residence calculator. Please calculate carefully and let me know.

If you departure February 23rd and came back on march 19th, you were absent from Canada 23 days (5 days of February and 18 days on March). So you should have 1097 days of physical presence.

2) Will the CIC counts as 23/Feb/2015, 18:25 pm and 19/March/2015, 13:05 as one day physically present in the canada or not .

Yes. The days of departure and arrival still counts as present. When you go for day-trips in US, it doesn't count as an absent day (you try try with the residence calculator).

2) Officer wrote that I'm physical present 1098 days with RED COLOR pen on the residence calculator . My questions are

a) Will the CIC again calculate how many days i was available in the four years (becz interview officer already told 1098 days) ?

It's absolutely umpredictible what CIC will do now. They might just ignores it (I've heard about that), they might order a CBSA report and check if it's all OK, or they might RQ you. Now way to know.

b) If I missed one day also (not available 1095 days) then will my application get rejected ?

It will not be rejected right away, since you applied under the old law. You will have a hearing with a Judge after a RQ, and after that the CIC can appeal (and they usually do) and you might lose or win. This process, if you read this forum you will know, takes forever. 3 years, 4... 5 years.

What I would suggest you to do is right a letter to your local office telling this story, informing the exact dates and the reason why you forgot the trip in your residency calculator. You can include your passport stamps just to be safe.
I've heard of people doing this and they were just fine in the end.

I wish you luck. Keep us posted.

 

[wes786]

Hi All

Today I passed the exam successfully in Calgary .

However i did mistake in the residence calculator. I forgot to mention one trip to India in 2012 in the residence calculator and officer asked about that one . I totally forgot how can i forgot about that trip.

Basically I mentioned that I'm in the country for 1120 days but missed the days of Feb/March 2012 days India Trip. So officer asked me about the trip, i told approximately from
Feb End - 19th March,2012 then the officer calculator and wrote the in red color in residence calculator that I'm physical available for 1098 days . She told me that i will hear in three months .

After i reached home, i looked my passport carefully about how many days i was not available in Feb/March,2012 trip and found that ,

1) I departured from Toronto on 23/Feb/2015, 18:25 pm and returned to Toronto 19/March/2015, 13:05.
Now how many days I missed to mention in the residence calculator. Please calculate carefully and let me know.

2) Will the CIC counts as 23/Feb/2015, 18:25 pm and 19/March/2015, 13:05 as one day physically present in the canada or not .

2) Officer wrote that I'm physical present 1098 days with RED COLOR pen on the residence calculator . My questions are

a) Will the CIC again calculate how many days i was available in the four years (becz interview officer already told 1098 days) ?

b) If I missed one day also (not available 1095 days) then will my application get rejected ?

Please let me know

Thanks

Regards
Mubeen

This exact same thing happened to my cousin, the only difference was that he was short 15 or 16 days after subtracting the days he was absent. He only found this out at his interview and was shocked just like you. He was issued an RQ at the spot during his interview after the test. After he submitted his RQ documents in February, he had his oath in August.

Since the officer counted 1098 days, you got lucky that you were not issued an RQ at that time. The only thing they need to do is ask CBSA for your travel history if they can verify the trip I don't think there is anything to worry about. If for some reason they fail to verify the trip or they found that your present days are less than 1095, you may end up receiving the RQ. Only time will tell, but if you want I would suggest you order the CBSA history for your peace of mind and the GCMS notes to see the progress of your case. Both can be ordered online via the link below. Make sure to ask for the electronic notes and NOT the physical file. Good Luck!

https://atip-aiprp.apps.gc.ca/atip/welcome.do

 

[tiarachel85]

This exact same thing happened to my cousin, the only difference was that he was short 15 or 16 days after subtracting the days he was absent. He only found this out at his interview and was shocked just like you. He was issued an RQ at the spot during his interview after the test. After he submitted his RQ documents in February, he had his oath in August.

Since you are above 1096 days, you got lucky and was not issued an RQ at that time. The only thing they need to do is ask CBSA for your travel history if they can verify the trip I don't think there is anything to worry about. If for some reason they fail to verify the trip or they found that your present days are less than 1095, you may end up receiving the RQ. Only time will tell, but if you want I would suggest you order the CBSA history for your peace of mind and the GCMS notes to see the progress of your case. Both can be ordered online via the link below. Make sure to ask for the electronic notes and NOT the physical file. Good Luck!

https://atip-aiprp.apps.gc.ca/atip/welcome.do

How come your cousin got citizenship with so many days short?

 

[wes786]

How come your cousin got citizenship with so many days short?

He has been in Canada since 2003 on a study permit, then work permit until he became a PR in 2011. He was only short 19 days to be exact at the time of his interview (not 15 or 16). He provided all the evidence they asked for; proving that he had been here all those years paying taxes and sent about 1KG parcel with all the proofs and evidence. He also wrote a nice cover letter mentioning that it was a genuine mistake and he forgot to mention one of his trip in the residence calculator. The weird thing that happend after he sent the documents in February, was that in April he received another test invitation (he had already passed the test in January). So he called CIC to ask what was going on, the agent said that the 2nd test invitation was sent by mistake and he doesn't have to show up for the test. My cousin still went on the day of the his second scheduled test and told them the whole story. They told him that he didn't have to write the test but an officer will be interviewing him first before anyone else. So he waited and once everyone finished their exam he was interviewed first once again. When the officer asked why he showed up after the call center agent told him not to, he said he was confused and wanted to make sure everything was going ok with the case. After the interview, officer said everything looks ok and if he needed more information he will be contacted soon otherwise expect the oath letter. So he thinks that his 2nd test invitation might have triggered his application to be on the top again and could be a reason it was processed a little faster. At one point he was thinking of withdrawing and re-applying because of the long processes due to RQs so good thing that he didn't withdraw his application. The file was then sent to Montreal to the Judge (about 4 weeks after his 2nd interview) where the judge approved his application and decided that he can become a citizen, even after having 19 days of shortfall. Just so you know, he ordered GCMS notes through ATIP to see the progress of his application.

Here's the thread he created.

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/rq-after-citizenship-test-t265748.0.html

 

[mubeen241615]

Hi All

Thanks alot .

Can anyone please explain the below points :


CBSA history - What is the full name of it and how can i get this one . What is the use of this document
RQ - What is the full name of it and how can i get this one . What is the use of this document
GCMS - What is the full name of it and how can i get this one . What is the use of this document


Now I'm confused what to do next and Do i write a letter to CIC to mentioned that that is my mistake because i forgot to mention in the residence form.

Please suggest what is the next steps for me

Thanks

Regards
Abdul M-

 

[wes786]

Hi All

Thanks alot .

Can anyone please explain the below points :


CBSA history - What is the full name of it and how can i get this one . What is the use of this document
RQ - What is the full name of it and how can i get this one . What is the use of this document
GCMS - What is the full name of it and how can i get this one . What is the use of this document


Now I'm confused what to do next and Do i write a letter to CIC to mentioned that that is my mistake because i forgot to mention in the residence form.

Please suggest what is the next steps for me

Thanks

Regards
Abdul M-

You basically just wait until they contact you.

In the mean time order your travel history from CBSA (Canada Border Services Agency). If you also want to know what is going on with your file, and what officers are commenting etc etc then order GCMS notes (The Global Case Management System).

RQ stands for residence questionnaire, and it's normally issued to applicants who do not meet the residency requirement of 1095 days (old rule) or 1460 days (new rule).

Follow the link I posted and follow simple instructions on what you want to order. Its all electronic.

At this point do not write any letters to any one, that's just my suggestion.

 

[mubeen241615]

Hi Wes

Thanks alot for your valuable information.

If i order GCMS then will CIC can able to know that i want to know about my application and GCMS will have continuous or fixed update for a particular date.

Normally when will CIC issue RQ (before test or might be after test)

Please let me know

Thanks alot

Regards
Mubeen

 

[sjakub]

If you departure February 23rd and came back on march 19th, you were absent from Canada 23 days (5 days of February and 18 days on March). So you should have 1097 days of physical presence.

That's incorrect. That absence counts as 24 days.

Feb: 23,24,25,26,27,28 = 6 days in Feb + 18 days in March = 24 days
Or you don't count Feb 23rd, but then you need to count Match 19th.

Which means now you only have 1096 days of presence. And if you missed one more day somewhere, you are now at 1095 days.
Which is the limit, but the application should have been signed one day AFTER becoming eligible. So things could get tricky...

I don't want to scare you, but you should really check all the dates carefully...
Especially since it looks like you applied in June - the last moment before the new rules.

If they suspect that you didn't mention that trip on purpose to still apply under the old rules, that could mean real trouble...

 

[keesio]

Feb: 23,24,25,26,27,28 = 6 days in Feb + 18 days in March = 24 days
Or you don't count Feb 23rd, but then you need to count Match 19th.

Yup, this right. Since the OP applied under the old rules, the old rules state that you have to count that extra day (unlike the new rules where any time spent in Canada counts as a full day).

 

[wes786]

Hi Wes

Thanks alot for your valuable information.

If i order GCMS then will CIC can able to know that i want to know about my application and GCMS will have continuous or fixed update for a particular date.

Normally when will CIC issue RQ (before test or might be after test)

Please let me know

Thanks alot

Regards
Mubeen

There is nothing wrong with ordering GCMS it is legal but yes, they will know that you have ordered it and will be recorded everytime you order it. It will contain information up to the date that you applied the fore notes on (it is sent by email as a pdf).

As for RQs, people have received them before and after test depending on the case.

 

[mubeen241615]

Hi sjakub

Thanks alot for the calculation .

Year 2012 have feb 29 days , so i'm missing 7 days in Feb + 19 days in March = 26 days .

I mentioned 1120 days in the residence questionnaire form, so 1120-26 = 1094 days . I missing one day here

Is CIC consider the Travel Day (or) Arrival Day as one day ?

Regards
Mubeen

 

[sjakub]

Thanks alot for the calculation.

Year 2012 have feb 29 days , so i'm missing 7 days in Feb + 19 days in March = 26 days .

You are welcome, even though you completely ignored it. I wrote 24 days, not 26.
You wrote it was in 2015, now you're writing it was in 2012.
How about you get your facts straight first?

Regardless, under the old rules February 29th doesn't count as an absence or as a presence - you basically ignore that day.

Is CIC consider the Travel Day (or) Arrival Day as one day ?

According to the old rules, if you leave and return to Canada on the same day it is not considered an absence = 0 absence days.
If you leave on Monday, and return on Tuesday (the very next day), that counts as one (1) absence day.
I'm not sure what is unclear about that...

 

[mubeen241615]

Hi sjakub

Sorry for not writing correctly the year 2012 .


I'm very tensed from morning so i'm unable to put focus so that's the reason i mentioned wrong year .

Regards
Mubeen

 

[sjakub]

Sorry for not writing correctly the year 2012 .

So officer asked me about the trip, i told approximately from Feb End - 19th March,2012 then the officer calculator and wrote the in red color in residence calculator that I'm physical available for 1098 days.

Depends on what exactly you told him.

I departured from Toronto on 23/Feb/2015, 18:25 pm and returned to Toronto 19/March/2015, 13:05.

Even if it was in 2012 it's just 24 days of absence.
Unless you did calculations manually and counted Feb 29th towards your presence days.
If you did, you have additional 25 days of absence, and you have exactly 1095 days of presence,
which means it depends on the exact day when you signed and dated the application.
You could be fine, or one day short.

If you used online calculator, it should have ignored Feb 29th, so you are not "losing" that one,
you have 24 additional days and 1096 days of presence. Which should be fine.


As for your application, nobody can tell you what is going to happen.
Not CIC phone line agents, and certainly nobody on this forum.
It depends on that officer and on what exactly you told them.
All you can do is wait.