To Leon Question Regarding PR renewal hope to get your reply soon

[turboracer]

We got our PR card since 2007 out of this 5 yrs i lived only 8 months and my other 3 family members lived 4 months

Now the thing is we are in canada now but all 4 of our PR cards are getting expired this september 2012 and we have not met the 730 days obligation

after the PR card gets expired we cannot open bank accounts nor we cannot send money or receive money by western union as Valid PR card is always required as photo IDs which has to be not expired so there are consequences we have to face with expired PR cards

Leon we are really confused what to do we are in such a position what shall we do shall we apply for PR renewal or stay 730 days more after the PR card gets expired and then apply will they recognize it ? Wont the CIC immigration say we wont count the days you stayed after the PR card expired even i called their toll free they said they wont count it after our PR card got expired Leon brother please advise me brother what to do we really want to renew our PR cards can you please let me know what to do ? Hope to get your reply soon ...

 

[scylla]

You need to wait until you have lived two years in Canada out of the past five years. Only then should you apply to renew your PR cards.

If you apply now with so few residency days, your renewal will be refused and you'll have lost your PR status. Wait until you have 730 days.

 

[turboracer]

Question Regarding PR renewal hope to get your reply soon

So I will wait with my expired PR Card ? Like for example if i drop out a course or start somewhere else or so sometimes people ask for PR card...

And living with 730 days with my expired PR card how will I show to the CIC that I lived 730 days more after the PR card got expired ?

Will they say that the 730 days I am living with the expired card is not countable ?

Cause I called there toll free number 1 week back they said they wont count it after the PR card expires

So can you assure me they will count and if they why will they is it written somewhere

Hope to get your reply soon.. I hope you understand

 

[a7]

as far as i know the pr card and pr status are completely different things and they are not related. Because even with brand new pr card people could not have enough days. For example, they received first pr card, than they live first 2 years then they left Canada for almost 3 years, then they have renewed pr card, which expires only in next 5 years, then they are planning to leave Canada for only 1 year, and then they would be surprised when they returned because if count back in the last 5 years they would have only 1 year.
All above, wait for answer more knowledgeable guys such as Leon and it would be better if you find a good lawyer with good reputation pay him substantial amount of money and ask your question just to be sure in case not to be misinformed.

 

[a7]

So I will wait with my expired PR Card ? Like for example if i drop out a course or start somewhere else or so sometimes people ask for PR card...

And living with 730 days with my expired PR card how will I show to the CIC that I lived 730 days more after the PR card got expired ?

Will they say that the 730 days I am living with the expired card is not countable ?

Cause I called there toll free number 1 week back they said they wont count it after the PR card expires

So can you assure me they will count and if they why will they is it written somewhere

Hope to get your reply soon.. I hope you understand
I have just reposted because there are more knowledgeable guys to answer.

 

[Leon]

If you and your family are in Canada right now, you should stay put if you want to keep your PR. Do not apply to renew your PR card until you have your full two years in the previous 5. If you look at the PR card application form at http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/prcard.asp you will see that it only asks for the last 5 years before you apply. Therefore, they will not go back in time more than 5 years earlier and ask if you met the residency requirements then.

Also see this: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op10-eng.pdf

Page 7:

For persons who have been permanent residents of Canada for more than five years, the only
five-year period that can be considered in calculating whether an applicant has met the residency
obligation is the one immediately before the application is received in the visa office. A28(2)(b)(ii)
precludes a visa officer from examining any period other than the most recent five-year period
immediately before the date of receipt of the application.

Even if a person had resided away from Canada for many years, but returned to Canada and
resided there for a minimum of 730 days during the last five years, that person would comply with
the residency obligation and remain a permanent resident. An officer is not permitted to consider
just any five-year period in the applicant’s past, but must always assess the most recent five-year
period preceding the receipt of the application.


Therefore, you should stay in Canada with your expired PR card and wait to fill your 2 years. Do not apply to renew until you have your 2 years.

I am sure if you are studying at a college or working that you can prove without a doubt that you have been in Canada long enough to meet the requirements.

I do not see why you would need a PR card as an ID to send money or open a bank account. You have plenty of other ID, passport, health card, drivers license or official ID card. If anybody asks you if you can show your PR card, just tell them that you have applied for it and you are still waiting. You can show them your landing documents and expired card in the meantime. Since PR card renewals can sometimes get delayed, especially if they decide to do a residency questionnaire which might happen even if you meet the requirements, it is a likely story.

 

[applicationerror]

Re: Question Regarding PR renewal hope to get your reply soon

So I will wait with my expired PR Card ? Like for example if i drop out a course or start somewhere else or so sometimes people ask for PR card...

And living with 730 days with my expired PR card how will I show to the CIC that I lived 730 days more after the PR card got expired ?
your passport,college study report,T4

Will they say that the 730 days I am living with the expired card is not countable ?
i just got mine renewed, mine expired in august 2011, i applied last month. so rest assured it is exactly as Leon has mentioned,PR card has nothing to do with your Status as a resident,just don't leave the country till it is renewed as it is needed for travels.

Cause I called there toll free number 1 week back they said they wont count it after the PR card expires
wrong answer from the call centre.

So can you assure me they will count and if they why will they is it written somewhere
it is on CIC website.

Hope to get your reply soon.. I hope you understand

 

[Androse]

If you and your family are in Canada right now, you should stay put if you want to keep your PR. Do not apply to renew your PR card until you have your full two years in the previous 5. If you look at the PR card application form at http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/prcard.asp you will see that it only asks for the last 5 years before you apply. Therefore, they will not go back in time more than 5 years earlier and ask if you met the residency requirements then.

Also see this: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op10-eng.pdf

Page 7:

For persons who have been permanent residents of Canada for more than five years, the only
five-year period that can be considered in calculating whether an applicant has met the residency
obligation is the one immediately before the application is received in the visa office. A28(2)(b)(ii)
precludes a visa officer from examining any period other than the most recent five-year period
immediately before the date of receipt of the application.

Even if a person had resided away from Canada for many years, but returned to Canada and
resided there for a minimum of 730 days during the last five years, that person would comply with
the residency obligation and remain a permanent resident. An officer is not permitted to consider
just any five-year period in the applicant's past, but must always assess the most recent five-year
period preceding the receipt of the application.


Therefore, you should stay in Canada with your expired PR card and wait to fill your 2 years. Do not apply to renew until you have your 2 year

Hi Leon, thanks for the info but I am a little confuse.

I understand very well the 730 days that we have to comply within the 5 year period before applying for a renewal but what I don't understand is :-
1) is this required every 5 years or only the 1st 5 years i.e. do we need to complete 730 days every block of 5 years?
2) I plan to stay in Canada for only 2 years then return to my country for a few years, perhaps returning when it's time to retire. Is that possible? Will that mean I will lose my PR status?
3) Can I renew my PR card from back home or is it a must that it's renewed only when you are in Canada?

Many thanks.

Androse

 

[Leon]

Hi Leon, thanks for the info but I am a little confuse.

I understand very well the 730 days that we have to comply within the 5 year period before applying for a renewal but what I don't understand is :-
1) is this required every 5 years or only the 1st 5 years i.e. do we need to complete 730 days every block of 5 years?

Each rolling 5 year period. You must always have 730 days in Canada in the previous 5 years.

2) I plan to stay in Canada for only 2 years then return to my country for a few years, perhaps returning when it's time to retire. Is that possible? Will that mean I will lose my PR status?

Yes, you will lose your PR status. If you stay for 2 years, then leave for 3, your PR card will expire. In order to renew your PR card, you have to be in Canada and you have to have 730 days in Canada in the previous 5 years. If you go to Canada before your card expires and state that you have spent 2 years and then been gone for 3, they will renew your card. Then you go back home. Now you might think you are ok to stay outside for another 3 years and then come back for the last 2 years of your 5 year PR card period. This is not true because say if you lost this PR card after 2 or 3 years, you would need a travel document to be able to go to Canada again. When applying for the travel document, they ask for the previous 5 years and you would have to say you were only in Canada for a short time during that period in order to renew your card. They would then deny the travel document and you lose your PR. The maximum time you can safely stay outside Canada is 3 years and then you must come back for 2. If you want to be able to come back to Canada any time, stay for 3 years and apply for citizenship. Of course it also depends on if your home country will allow you to have dual citizenship.

3) Can I renew my PR card from back home or is it a must that it's renewed only when you are in Canada?

You must be in Canada.

 

[Androse]

Thank you so much Leon.

Androse

 

[viktor911]

hi there
i have a question
i have my pr card since june 2009, i know i have to live in canada 730 days. but i was 10 week in canada to visit my perents, are thoose 10 wweks counting if i renewal my pr?
we are arriving in july2012, but my wife has to go back to germany to finish her university
thanks

 

[OhCanadiana]

hi there
i have a question
i have my pr card since june 2009, i know i have to live in canada 730 days. but i was 10 week in canada to visit my perents, are thoose 10 wweks counting if i renewal my pr?
we are arriving in july2012, but my wife has to go back to germany to finish her university
thanks

All days you have been in Canada since landing within the past 5 years count toward the 730 days. See http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5445ETOC.asp#appendixA for additional details.

 

[turboracer]

After PR card gets renewed I have to stay again 2 yrs in that 5 years period ?

Isnt it possible to just stay 1 yr more and apply for citizenship as I have alread 2 years in my previous 5 yrs

and do they ask for the passports ever ? even for citizenship ?

hope to get ur reply soon

 

[Leon]

After PR card gets renewed I have to stay again 2 yrs in that 5 years period ?

Isnt it possible to just stay 1 yr more and apply for citizenship as I have alread 2 years in my previous 5 yrs

and do they ask for the passports ever ? even for citizenship ?

hope to get ur reply soon

You have to stay at least 2 years in any rolling 5 year period so if you just stayed 2 years and got your PR card renewed, you could leave for 3 years again and come back once again to stay for 2 years or like you said, after staying for 2 years, you stay for the 3rd year and then apply for citizenship. They will ask to see your passport when you apply for citizenship and if they have reason to believe that you did not really stay for 3 years, they can ask for proof.

 

[turboracer]

so for pr renewal they never ask passports for citizenship they ask for passports ryt