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purohit said:
This is terrible. What was the primary NOC code u declared - was it dubai job or Canada?
Also did you get DM or just in process in ecas?
Primacy code declared was.for.my work.experience in dubai
It project management
 

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Dobes I can't thank you enough!
The noc are in IT and project management. My last noc that I was claiming is IT project manager which they did not mention about in the refusal.letter.


Here is the entire letter

I have now completed the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa as a skilled
worker. I have determined that you do not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.
Subsection 11(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) states that a foreign national
must, before entering Canada, apply to an officer for a visa or for any other document required by the
regulations. The visa or document may be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that
the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. Subsection 2(2) specifies
that unless otherwise indicated, references in the Act to “this Act” include regulations made under it.
In addition, according to section 11.2 of the IRPA:
An officer may not issue a visa or other document in respect of an application for permanent
residence to a foreign national who was issued an invitation under Division 0.1 to make such an
application if – at the time the invitation was issued or at the time the officer received their
application – the foreign national did not meet the criteria set out in an instruction given under
paragraph 10.3(1)(e) or does not have the qualifications on the basis of which they were ranked
under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h) and were consequently issued the
invitation.
Section 11.2 of the IRPA requires that information provided in your Express Entry Profile concerning
your eligibility to be invited to apply (10.3(1)(e)), as well as the qualifications on the basis of which you
were ranked (10.3(1)(h)) be valid both at the time the invitation was issued and at the time the application
for permanent residence is received.
In your Express Entry profile, you indicated you had two years of work experience in Canada. On the date
of your application, you submitted evidence of 1 year 8 months work experience – 2 months as a
Telephone Surveyor for ******, as well as 1 year 7 months as
a Junior Technical Support Representative for *****. In accordance with section11.2, I am refusing
your application because I have found that at the time you received your invitation to apply for permanent
residence, or at the time you filed your application for permanent residence, you no longer possessed the
qualification on the basis of which you were ranked under an instruction given under paragraph
10.3(1)(h).
This change in your qualifications resulted in a loss of points that brought your rank below the lowest
ranking person who was invited to apply in your draw, under the Express Entry Comprehensive Ranking
System.
Following an examination of your application, I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of the
Act and Regulations for the reasons explained above. I am therefore refusing your application.
You will receive a refund of the Right of Permanent Residence Fee that you have paid.
You must remove your Job Seeker profile from the Job Bank website, as you are no longer an Express
Entry candidate. You must also remove any references that you are a candidate for Express Entry from
any private job board websites, if you used any.
If you still want to come to Canada as a skilled immigrant, you may take steps to improve your
competitiveness and register for Express Entry at a later date. For example, you may try to improve your
language score or gain a higher level of education. However, you must still meet minimum requirements
to enter the Express Entry pool and there is no guarantee that you will that you will be issued another
invitation to apply for permanent residence under one of the immigration programs subject to Express
Entry.
How did you arrive at 2 years when completing your profile?
 

dobes

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EricCartman said:
Dobes I can't thank you enough!
The noc are in IT and project management. My last noc that I was claiming is IT project manager which they did not mention about in the refusal.letter.


Here is the entire letter

I have now completed the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa as a skilled
worker. I have determined that you do not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.
Subsection 11(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) states that a foreign national
must, before entering Canada, apply to an officer for a visa or for any other document required by the
regulations. The visa or document may be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that
the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. Subsection 2(2) specifies
that unless otherwise indicated, references in the Act to “this Act” include regulations made under it.
In addition, according to section 11.2 of the IRPA:
An officer may not issue a visa or other document in respect of an application for permanent
residence to a foreign national who was issued an invitation under Division 0.1 to make such an
application if – at the time the invitation was issued or at the time the officer received their
application – the foreign national did not meet the criteria set out in an instruction given under
paragraph 10.3(1)(e) or does not have the qualifications on the basis of which they were ranked
under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h) and were consequently issued the
invitation.
Section 11.2 of the IRPA requires that information provided in your Express Entry Profile concerning
your eligibility to be invited to apply (10.3(1)(e)), as well as the qualifications on the basis of which you
were ranked (10.3(1)(h)) be valid both at the time the invitation was issued and at the time the application
for permanent residence is received.
In your Express Entry profile, you indicated you had two years of work experience in Canada. On the date
of your application, you submitted evidence of 1 year 8 months work experience – 2 months as a
Telephone Surveyor for ******, as well as 1 year 7 months as
a Junior Technical Support Representative for *****. In accordance with section11.2, I am refusing
your application because I have found that at the time you received your invitation to apply for permanent
residence, or at the time you filed your application for permanent residence, you no longer possessed the
qualification on the basis of which you were ranked under an instruction given under paragraph
10.3(1)(h).
This change in your qualifications resulted in a loss of points that brought your rank below the lowest
ranking person who was invited to apply in your draw, under the Express Entry Comprehensive Ranking
System.
Following an examination of your application, I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of the
Act and Regulations for the reasons explained above. I am therefore refusing your application.
You will receive a refund of the Right of Permanent Residence Fee that you have paid.
You must remove your Job Seeker profile from the Job Bank website, as you are no longer an Express
Entry candidate. You must also remove any references that you are a candidate for Express Entry from
any private job board websites, if you used any.
If you still want to come to Canada as a skilled immigrant, you may take steps to improve your
competitiveness and register for Express Entry at a later date. For example, you may try to improve your
language score or gain a higher level of education. However, you must still meet minimum requirements
to enter the Express Entry pool and there is no guarantee that you will that you will be issued another
invitation to apply for permanent residence under one of the immigration programs subject to Express
Entry.
OK, this is clear. They believe (rightly or wrongly) that you got CRS points for TWO years of Canadian experience while you qualified for ONE. Either that, or you got adaptability points in FSW again for 2 years of Canadian experience, and the reduction to one year brings your points down below 67. One of these things (they believe) has happened.

As far as CRS, if you are single it seems to me you would get 40 points for ONE year of Canadian experience, plus 13 adaptability points. I believe that's where you got the 53 points.

When you can catch your breath, can you please recalculate BOTH your FSW points and your CRS points, being very careful to take credit for ONE year of Canadian experience in each category where it is relevant, and tell us what you come up with?



It
 

Anya654

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EricCartman said:
Dobes I can't thank you enough!
The noc are in IT and project management. My last noc that I was claiming is IT project manager which they did not mention about in the refusal.letter.


Here is the entire letter

I have now completed the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa as a skilled
worker. I have determined that you do not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.
Subsection 11(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) states that a foreign national
must, before entering Canada, apply to an officer for a visa or for any other document required by the
regulations. The visa or document may be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that
the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. Subsection 2(2) specifies
that unless otherwise indicated, references in the Act to “this Act” include regulations made under it.
In addition, according to section 11.2 of the IRPA:
An officer may not issue a visa or other document in respect of an application for permanent
residence to a foreign national who was issued an invitation under Division 0.1 to make such an
application if – at the time the invitation was issued or at the time the officer received their
application – the foreign national did not meet the criteria set out in an instruction given under
paragraph 10.3(1)(e) or does not have the qualifications on the basis of which they were ranked
under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h) and were consequently issued the
invitation.
Section 11.2 of the IRPA requires that information provided in your Express Entry Profile concerning
your eligibility to be invited to apply (10.3(1)(e)), as well as the qualifications on the basis of which you
were ranked (10.3(1)(h)) be valid both at the time the invitation was issued and at the time the application
for permanent residence is received.
In your Express Entry profile, you indicated you had two years of work experience in Canada. On the date
of your application, you submitted evidence of 1 year 8 months work experience – 2 months as a
Telephone Surveyor for ******, as well as 1 year 7 months as
a Junior Technical Support Representative for *****. In accordance with section11.2, I am refusing
your application because I have found that at the time you received your invitation to apply for permanent
residence, or at the time you filed your application for permanent residence, you no longer possessed the
qualification on the basis of which you were ranked under an instruction given under paragraph
10.3(1)(h).
This change in your qualifications resulted in a loss of points that brought your rank below the lowest
ranking person who was invited to apply in your draw, under the Express Entry Comprehensive Ranking
System.
Following an examination of your application, I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of the
Act and Regulations for the reasons explained above. I am therefore refusing your application.
You will receive a refund of the Right of Permanent Residence Fee that you have paid.
You must remove your Job Seeker profile from the Job Bank website, as you are no longer an Express
Entry candidate. You must also remove any references that you are a candidate for Express Entry from
any private job board websites, if you used any.
If you still want to come to Canada as a skilled immigrant, you may take steps to improve your
competitiveness and register for Express Entry at a later date. For example, you may try to improve your
language score or gain a higher level of education. However, you must still meet minimum requirements
to enter the Express Entry pool and there is no guarantee that you will that you will be issued another
invitation to apply for permanent residence under one of the immigration programs subject to Express
Entry.
I think I know what happened here. You know when you complete your EE profile the system counts the experience on a monthly bases, so the 1 year 7 months was rounded up to 1 yr 8 or 9 months and the 2 months was rounded up to 3 months hence altogether the system gave you 2 years Canadian experience instead of your actual 1 yr 9 months when calculating on a daily basis. If this is the reason then CIC has a lot of explaining to do because one can't help the way the system awards points surely!
 

dobes

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Anya654 said:
I think I know what happened here. You know when you complete your EE profile the system counts the experience on a monthly bases, so the 1 year 7 months was rounded up to 1 yr 8 or 9 months and the 2 months was rounded up to 3 months hence altogether the system gave you 2 years Canadian experience instead of your actual 1 yr 9 months when calculating on a daily basis. If this is the reason then CIC has a lot of explaining to do because one can't help the way the system awards points surely!
You're right, Anya. There have been many people here concerned because the EE software has given them credit for completing years of work in Canada that they have not yet completed. This could have been a mistake in the software. I hope EricCartman recalculates his points and lets us know if they are the same as in his original EE application.
 

EricCartman

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dobes said:
OK, this is clear. They believe (rightly or wrongly) that you got CRS points for TWO years of Canadian experience while you qualified for ONE. Either that, or you got adaptability points in FSW again for 2 years of Canadian experience, and the reduction to one year brings your points down below 67. One of these things (they believe) has happened.

As far as CRS, if you are single it seems to me you would get 40 points for ONE year of Canadian experience, plus 13 adaptability points. I believe that's where you got the 53 points.

When you can catch your breath, can you please recalculate BOTH your FSW points and your CRS points, being very careful to take credit for ONE year of Canadian experience in each category where it is relevant, and tell us what you come up with?



It
Can you please guide me.on how to.recalculate.

I was 3 months off completing 2 years because I had interned at that company for.three months and they did not mention it on the reference letter.
 

Anya654

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EricCartman said:
Can you please guide me.on how to.recalculate.

I was 3 months off completing 2 years because I had interned at that company for.three months and they did not mention it on the reference letter.
My advice would be that you should create another profile first and get rid of the 2 months work experience so the system doesn't round it up to 2 years then you get 1 year experience, then see if the score differs from your previous score.
 

EricCartman

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Anya654 said:
My advice would be that you should create another profile first and get rid of the 2 months work experience so the system doesn't round it up to 2 years then you get 1 year experience, then see if the score differs from your previous score.
Using this link. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp

I got 477 points as opposed to.505 when.I changed it into.2 years experience
 

dobes

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EricCartman said:
Can you please guide me.on how to.recalculate.

I was 3 months off completing 2 years because I had interned at that company for.three months and they did not mention it on the reference letter.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/express-entry/grid-crs.asp
 

Anya654

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EricCartman said:
Using this link. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp

I got 477 points as opposed to.505 when.I changed it into.2 years experience
Did you mean to write 1 year?
 

EricCartman

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dobes said:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/express-entry/grid-crs.asp
So if they were to recalculate my CRS points then th ey should technically reduce my Canadian work.experience from 53 to 40 being single. So my total.point would go down to 500 which still qualifies me for the March 20 draw.

I am confused to why they would.say this I am refusing
your application because I have found that at the time you received your invitation to apply for permanent
residence, or at the time you filed your application for permanent residence, you no longer possessed the
qualification on the basis of which you were ranked under an instruction given under paragraph
10.3(1)(h)."
 

Anya654

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EricCartman said:
On that site I chose 1 year Canadian experience and got a total.of 477 and then I chose 2 years just to compare and the total was 505
Then then points you got for the 1 year experience is the accurate one since you technically only have one year Canadian experience.