mercur said:
I've lived most of my life in Canada and I consider to be more Canadian than anything else. From personal point of view and experience, I find this article to be somewhat true although it is over-exaggerated.
I can't believe I'm replying to this utter nonsense thread yet again but goodness it's amazing that people continue to give this moron more than his 15 minutes and even that is likely 14:55 too long...
Canadians do try to tel you what you like to hear. This is in no way done with some bad intentions however I personally prefer to hear the truth and not what someone thinks that I want to hear.
I will ask you just as I would have asked the person that vomited forth the original rant, How do you know? How is it that you or anyone else knows what someone is telling them is what they think YOU want to hear? Do they come tell you later that what they just said was to make you feel better and really they think something else? Well in that case you got what you wanted anyway right, the truth? Not trying to make like of this but seriously how in the world can you know what belief system someone else has behind any given comment they make.
Secondly its a lovely little ideal to say I wish people would tell me the truth, but face it, if you put on a few pounds and every person you saw every day said "hey you're really packing them on eh" I imagine you would appreciate that for the first five seconds... there is a nice way and a direct tactless way to say anything.. not sure it's possible for anyone to know how another person will respond to any given comment so I would much rather err on the side of being tactful and polite when someone asks me a question which is obviously loaded... "honey do these pants my ass look big" yeah go right ahead answer that one honestly see how far that gets you.
When I came to Canada twenty some years ago, the only jobs that I can get were low paid jobs in restaurant, as a cleaner etc. During these years my coworkers that are Canadian very often would burp and fart and they will do it like it's nothing.
As stated by others I have no idea who these people are but I've lived in Canada for 45 years and I've worked in some pretty crummy jobs over the years, stock boy in a Macs Milk, night sweeper in a greeting card factory and oddly enough those low class people never burped or farted around me, just lucky I guess.
Even today I often find that people will quietly fart in the grocery store or other public places and you will not even get "Excuse me".
Really, so ummm how is it you know they farted quietly?? Silent but deadly? Seriously you don't see the silliness in this comment? So if you are walking in a grocery store and heaven forbid you happen to have a natural bodily function like passing gas for the next five minutes you need to stand there and anyone that walks past you should stop them and say "excuse me I know you might not even be aware but a few moments ago I farted I hope that doesn't offend you"
Your solution?
I can understand how someone born and raised in Canada will not even notice that but for someone born and raised in Europe, this is just unacceptable.
Very glad and excited to hear that Europeans have such great fart detection built in... :
Now I agree that this is not what an average Canadian will do and this is mostly done by people with much lower class.
I am pretty sure that even Bill Gates and Queen Elizabeth fart sometimes.. and I bet they even do it sometimes in less than ideal conditions but such is life.. good god... it's not like people are walking around grocery stores chasing you and saying "pull on my finger"
But unlike an average Canadian who will finish it's education get a good job and his circle of people are just like him/her, will meet people like that only when is out in a restaurant or his roof needs to be changed or his house needs to be painted. An immigrant (and I assume that the person who wrote the article is an immigrant) meets people like that on daily bases.
Sounds like somebody (YOU) is a bit of an elitist huh? Sure comes across that way, so we should assume that you are and that anybody from where you come from is one as well?
Maybe we need to talk to the conservatives about creating a commission on public farting and burping it sounds like it's very wide spread and needs to be addressed.. I just consider myself lucky in my 45 years in Canada I've never come in contact with these low life poorly educated slugs that stalk the good middle class folks with the sole attempt of gassing them.. :-[
Now, twenty some years later, I own my business and I deal with completely different people. What I've learned though is that I can not trust any promises done by a fellow business owner until I get it on paper. And even then I've heard more than once that "Contracts are made to be broken"
Amazing? So now that you are dealing with the middle and upper class that no longer have the farting issue, instead they prefer to screw you on business deals.. maybe it would be better if they just farted a bit more huh?
I don't know who you are dealing with but I owned a business in Canada for the last 15 years before I left and I never had ONE person in all that time go back on a deal made verbally. Nor would I ever back out of a deal I made with someone with a handshake or in principal verbally. Me thinks you are once again dealing with an interesting group of people, immigrants perhaps?? See how nice that broad brush feels?
Now in terms of the dating part in the article. I somewhat agree with parts of it. I disagree with what some of you are saying that if you want to go out with sweatpants, you can do so. Yes you are right... If you live alone in an island however when you live in society, sometimes you need to respect that society. Very often when I was dating and I start a conversation with a girl, the first question is what I do. Why? Are you looking for a job?... I usually ask.
Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee it's just a question... what do you ask the women when you first meet them? Please explain Einstein's theory of relativity I'm stuck on a couple of the lessor known bits.. what do you do is a legit and worthwhile question.. if you are a Bay street broker you are likely to have a different set of interests, goals, experiences, than if you are a FOB drywaller.. not to mention if you are in the lower working class you will likely have that public farting issues as well... and yes I am sure some women ask such questions to gauge your ability to provide as a husband etc..etc.. but so what as if you don't want to know things like that about them too...
The whole sweatpants, PJs thing I don't know I'm just trying to think if there is any bigger a non issue in the world.. really... this matters to somebody?
Equality has nothing to do with how you take care of your self, it's wrong for a woman not to take care of her self and that includes the way she dresses. This is true for men as well. How would you feel if man start wearing makeup or skirts or what ever makes him feel "equal"?
To be honest I am not even sure what your point is here... women are equal hence they have stopped wearing make up and dresses? Taking care of oneself is a personal thing and YOU do not get to choose what someone else thinks is taking care of themselves. In the 6 years I've known my wife I have seen her wear two dresses, once to our wedding and once to our reception that's it.. I can't remember the last time she wore make up.. but I can assure you if you met her would you never complain that she does not look after her self. Just because you appear to be stuck in some time warp where men and women are supposed to look and act to a particular ideal that thankfully does not exist in Canada you don't have the right to impose those views on other people.
Next time you travel and you end-up in one of the big airports in Europe just notice the people as a group in the different gates how they look. Make a note of the gates for flights within Europe and then take a look at the gates with flights going to the US and Canada and see if you notice any difference.
Or better yet next time you are in a big airport in Asia have a look at the flights going to Europe compared to other parts in Asia.. the Europeans look like bums...I don't suppose that would have anything to do with the length of the flights, or what their purposes are or a million other things.. if my only opinion of people from Europe were the people I meet in Thailand that come here for vacation well let me tell you it would be a very nasty opinion for the most part, but that would be wrong to judge entire nations on such a small sampling.. wouldn't you think?
Perhaps this is why I am in this forum and as for the part that if you ware a makeup and short skirts during the day, you maybe mistaken for a prostitute... I actually told that to my wife when she was in Canada because is true. When she was here she got so many compliments for the way she looks and mostly form other women... and what's wrong with that? Does it make her less equal?
Damn... another keyboard ruined by vomit.. seriously, makeup and short skirts and you are a hooker? Hello the 1930's are calling they want their prejudices back...
Guess what your wife dressing up or not dressing up getting compliments or not getting them, does not make her any more or less equal the equality we are talking about is not about clothes or make up.. its about being treated equally under the law its about having access to the maths and sciences and not just home economics, it's about having motherhood recognized as important and not something done because they are too lazy or unskilled to "work" (anyone with kids laughs at people thinking raising a child is easy) outside the home, a very minor group of examples but you get the point.
The point is that although the article is generalizing things, many of the points are true.
I disagree completely and if your examples are ones on the points you agree with being true I disagree even more.. simply put you can't come to Canada and impose your previous life experiences or culture.
Canada is a beautiful country with wonderful people and I've never for a second had any doubt that I made the right decision to move to Canada.
Yes it is, and you are likely right you made a great choice.. and we as a country are happy for all the help that Immigrants have provided over the years to help build Canada into one of the very best countries in the world.. an although we don't like to tout it often enough we really are.. the facts bear that out in all ways that are used to measure such things...
However to better our self when we hear criticisms, and instead of getting offended, I think it's better to think about it and improve whatever we can.
So we should spend all our lives running around trying to change every iota of beings every time someone levels a half baked criticism about us?
Brits are pompous asses that look down on anyone not born in the UK and mock people all the time about not being able to speak "the Queen's English" correctly.
Germans are overbearing humorless robots that care more about machines than people
Jamaicans are all pot smoking dread wearing criminals
Aussies are all drunk good time party animals with no sense of personal responsibility
Thais are all whores that care only about money and power
Cambodians are all poverty stricken dog eating sub humans
Chinese people are all nerdy socially inept math geniuses
Americans are self important gun toting rednecks with self esteem issues masked by yelling "We're number 1" constantly.
The list could go on and on and on... and I am very aware that SOME of the people in each of the countries mentioned do in fact have the stated "qualities" but do we then assume that every one in the country does, and expect all to then start working on themselves to be better judged by some standard created by whom?
Canada is a great country its not without it's faults like any country or any race in the world. I think in fact Canada has bent over TOO far in some cases giving up OUR Canadian heritage to make newcomers feel at home or to not offend people, Happy Holidays, instead of Merry Christmas? Give me a break.. and yes we are a bit of a nanny state and lean socialist for sure..and that too offends some people.
We (Canadians or Canada) are never going to make everyone happy that comes here, but believe it or not it is up to YOU the Immigrant to try and fit into our culture and for us to make you welcome. If the new Canadians spend all their time complaining about it's not like home, then I am not sure what you want us to do.. make it like home? You know the home you left? We are what we are and I like it.. and I think most people do and I think the number of people lining up to Immigrate bears that out.. the more you try to understand us and our ways the more we try to make you feel at home and understand why you think things we do are "different" NOTE I said different NOT wrong...
Now I think there is only ONE way to end this rant....... I............. AM..................... CANADIAN...
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