The gift of Harper to the liberals

[itsmyid]

I never said that bill C-24 is the only thing that voters care about. I think many people think very superficially and do not read figures. I clearly said it is one of the reasons pushed new Canadians to move and vote for liberals. I said even before the elections in this forum Harper will lose because so many naturalized Canadians are afraid from the next steps will be taken against them as bill c-24 is the first step to create two types of citizens. Even bill C-51 do the same thing. The slogan of Trudeau, a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian was a very intelligent one and it was a message to those targeted by these bills move and vote, the conservatives won the election of 2011 with 5.5 millions and they lost in 2015 with 5.5 millions. I said that they have a stationary voting mass. What Trudeau and Harper's policies did he could push the non voters in 2011 to vote for the liberals and against the conservative. Most of those new voters did not care about economy or foreign policy they do care about their proper existence in Canada which they felt is threatened by the new laws. They felt worried about their future rights in the hands of a government which discriminates between Canadians. These are a good part of the 3 millions difference between 2011 and 2015.

these are your own words: "I think if the liberals miss this opportunity and take several years to think about their promise to change bill c24 they will lose the next elections."

If they lose the next election, which I am pretty sure they will, it won't have anything to do with c24

 

[alphazip]

these are your own words: "I think if the liberals miss this opportunity and take several years to think about their promise to change bill c24 they will lose the next elections."

If they lose the next election, which I am pretty sure they will, it won't have anything to do with c24

The next election isn't for four years, so predictions at this point about what will or won't happen are ridiculous! In the throne speech, the government promised to bring in a new voting system, replacing first past the post, so who knows what the effects of that will be.

 

[surgi]

these are your own words: "I think if the liberals miss this opportunity and take several years to think about their promise to change bill c24 they will lose the next elections."

If they lose the next election, which I am pretty sure they will, it won't have anything to do with c24

You still mix up my words and phrases. You use my words and phrases and mix them with your understanding. I mean liberals they do not have a steady voting mass. In 2011 around 3 millions voted for them. In 2015 3 more millions voted for them and they won. The total difference in votes between 2011 and 2015 is 3 millions voters more?! This is the number the liberals needed to win!? If they accelerates the process of citizenship granting which is slowed by Bill C-24 they would add 1,250,000 to the voting mass during these 4 years. Otherwise they will not be able to add more than 750,000 if they do not. The measures I mentioned in my first comment would at least add 750,000 to those 750,000 expected to get citizenship during these 4 years. Most of them if they receive a rapid easy granting process will vote liberals.

 

[itsmyid]

You still mix up my words and phrases. You use my words and phrases and mix them with your understanding. I mean liberals they do not have a steady voting mass. In 2011 around 3 millions voted for them. In 2015 3 more millions voted for them and they won. The total difference in votes between 2011 and 2015 is 3 millions voters more?! This is the number the liberals needed to win!? If they accelerates the process of citizenship granting which is slowed by Bill C-24 they would add 1,250,000 to the voting mass during these 4 years. Otherwise they will not be able to add more than 750,000 if they do not. The measures I mentioned in my first comment would at least add 750,000 to those 750,000 expected to get citizenship during these 4 years. Most of them if they receive a rapid easy granting process will vote liberals.

You keep assuming all immigrants/new citizens will be similarly short-sighted as to support a party based solely on their immigration policy. Sure I would benefit from it if c24 were repealed, but given how the liberals are running Ontario to the ground, if the same thing happens on the federal level I will for sure not vote for liberal even if they repeal c24 today and give me citizenship tomorrow

 

[surgi]

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-ca/768/472/744/new-cic-unfair-rules-for-citizenship/
For those who are interested to repeal C-24 this is a new petition

 

[meyakanor]

I posted earlier how Ontario has been good for me, and how it would not have been much better (if at all) if I were to move to another province which, say, has been a conservative stronghold.

Apparently, the data support this, and the province has indeed enjoyed a net benefit of low oil price and weak Canadian dollars

Ontario is poised to be among the faster growing provincial economies in 2016 with a projected growth rate of 2.5%. This would constitute an improvement from a forecasted rate of 2.1% in 2015, and a third consecutive year during which growth in the province surpassed the national average.

http://www.rbc.com/newsroom/_assets-custom/pdf/20151208-on.pdf

Again, if not Ontario, given that I am not in the oil industry, where else in Canada would I live and still be able to maintain the same standard of living (close to six figure annual salary)? Not much else, I would assume. Maybe BC, which is NOT a conservative stronghold, or the Atlantic Canada [where tech startup has started to boom within the recent years], good luck being a conservative there, but obviously not on any of the provinces where conservatives dominate.

 

[itsmyid]

I posted earlier how Ontario has been good for me, and how it would not have been much better (if at all) if I were to move to another province which, say, has been a conservative stronghold.

Apparently, the data support this, and the province has indeed enjoyed a net benefit of low oil price and weak Canadian dollars

Again, if not Ontario, given that I am not in the oil industry, where else in Canada would I live and still be able to maintain the same standard of living (close to six figure annual salary)? Not much else, I would assume. Maybe BC, which is NOT a conservative stronghold, or the Atlantic Canada [where tech startup has started to boom within the recent years], good luck being a conservative there, but obviously not on any of the provinces where conservatives dominate.

I don't get why you have to be repeatedly flashing your 'close to 6 figure' salary, what are you trying to prove? I have been making 6-figure since I moved here but I am seeing the value going down everyday, especially when practically everything is US import including groceries, and nearly 30% of my earnings are taken away by government to pay for Ontario's never-happening transpotation improvement, liberal government scandal, and salary increase for Union workers with their annually regular strikes. And I live a pretty low key life: no car, small condo, rarely eat out, but still don't have much left every month after tax, mortgage, and RRSP. And God knows how much less they will be worth a few years from now... And don't forget, Ontario has more debt than California, how are they going to pay for it especially next year when the interest rates go up in the U.S. ? More tax

 

[meyakanor]

You have been trying to make it sound like Ontario is a bad place to live. If it is extremely bad as you made it seem to be, the other provinces must be a hell-hole. Ontarian economy is forecasted to grow faster faster than the country next year, and quite possibly, even going to 2017 as well (only BC will be faster).

I too am living a very low-key life here, and yes, my paycheck too got deducted between 35 and 40 percent after everything got taken into account, so I have as much say in this as you do or anybody else. If I was to stay in Canada, where else would I live where I could maintain the same standard of living? And no, I'm not moving to the United States because I love this country, and am planning to stay here until the end of my life.

My financial situation will not improve if I move to, say, an oil-rich province. That I keep 'flashing' my six figure salary is to make a point, that, every other province that I would be trying to move into would be downhill. If Ontario was so bad, then the rest of the country must be a huge sh*t-hole.

For people in the oil industry, then maybe they can take advantage of the oil boom and have better standard of living outside of Ontario, but what with global petrol oversupply, and oil price being less than half what it was a year ago. I'm sorry that a lot of people have to lose their jobs, but it's hardly the Liberal government's fault that we rely on oil so much, and that oil price is in the high 30s nowadays instead of the low 100s.