that was harsh, I need your support

[MUFC]

I am just a neutral observer of the general situation with the people who came here in the recent years. The general opinion from those seeking good jobs and good standard of living is that there is simply not that much opportunities in practise for them. Many of them even have studied here to get Canadian university papers and different kind of diplomas, but the result is again submitting countless CVs all over the place and no calls from the places where they've applied.
After that they are forced to work something on a lower wage or many of them ended up in factories, general labour and so on...

On the other hand Canada needs people much more than the US, but right now Canada needs predominantly low level workers on low wages. It is very difficult for the recent newcomers to find and to get good job.

If somebody comes from real 3rd world county , then yes Canada is a good option, but for those seeking real success it will be a disappointment if they come in Canada.

 

[rahul20978]

Canada is full with Indians, Chinese... of course that when somebody have been for sometime in Canada it will think about south Asians... soon this country will be converted and it will look like an Asian territory. Probably that's why the standard of living is also going down.

The standard of living in Canada is going down because of Asian immigrants coming there and bringing a little bit of their own culture? Why, that comment just reeks of redneck racism.

 

[realtexdex]

Second that Rahul; after all just make an example out of poor smelly corrupt India, and then try to rationalize it ! Then we are expected to grin and take it in the chin and make nothing out of it; like India is the epitome of being third world !

 

[rahul20978]

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS:

We all basically are here BASHING CANADA (for whatever reason , because its' economy has no jobs to hire many of us as skilled workers, because you have to "network" to get a job like in a third world corrupted country and so on),now how come it's OKEY for us to DO THAT and NOT OKEY to compare it to some other country where corruption is rampant and truly bad (something we don;t want to see happening in Canada)?

I mean what moral grounds do we have to say ANY word critical of Canada if we won't tolerate and will attack and insult anyone who says any critical word about country of our origin?

As to someone who said my statement is idiotic, in regards to Indian having an advantage looking for a white collar job in India vs in Canada (as a non-networked newcomer),my response is: I stand by what I have said! There is nothing idiotic in saying something that makes sense.

If neither country provides practical means to get a w.c. job without a network, and if you lived in one of two your entire life (and, arguably, have at least some connections,and know how to peddle influence, at very worst pay 10 lakhs and buy a gov job, as opposed to a land where no one knows anything about you and where no one hires you because they don't know you), how come your chances of finding a white collar job back home aren't better than in Canada?

Brother. you are the only one who has been bashing both Canada and India the most. So go ahead and stand by what you say. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. I don't think I want to post here what my opinion really is. It's not worth the fight, which in the long run, will be pointless anyway.

PS, for your info, I have never contacted the moderator for anything, especially getting your comments deleted.

 

[realtexdex]

Anyways this is a pointless discussion, with too much negativity; maybe if a new immigrant tried really hard, they would probably get close to their ideal job! Ending this on an optimistic note

 

[rahul20978]

Everyone is entitled to make their plans, have their opinions and commit their follies. I know nothing I read on this forum will deter me from my immigration plans (unless it is racist comments such as I read earlier, but then there will be discrimination of some sort or the other anywhere we go or stay). I will make my plans as I deem fit and commit myself to those plans. It'll either all work out for me and I will come back here and say "hah" to all the wet blankets here, or I'll fail miserably and then I'll come back here and say "you were right" to all the brilliant people here . I am not afraid to do either.

Best of luck to all you hopeful immigrants. Never give up dreaming your dreams, and never give up trying to achieve them.

Signing off now. Will be monitoring the thread, but have no desire to comment here anymore.

Ciao,

Rahul.

 

[MUFC]

The problem with less and less opportunities for the people seeking real success in Canada is in the air for a very long time and after every year is getting harder and harder for the newcomers.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/immigrants-get-fewer-jobs-earn-less-1.1092938
here we can see..
Despite having generally higher levels of education, new Canadians earn less than their native-born peers and are less likely to have a job...
"While Canada has done a great job of attracting foreign talent, integrating newcomers effectively has proven to be more of a challenge,"
Wage gap

In 2005, the entire population of immigrants working full time in Canada earned about $45,000 on average yearly. For recent immigrants, the average salary drops to just $28,700.

In addition to wage discrepancies, the report highlights a growing disparity in who's even able to get a job.

My conclusion is also that the new comers have very limited possibilities compared to 15-20 years ago, and of course they will prefer to leave.

 

[david1697]

The problem with less and less opportunities for the people seeking real success in Canada is in the air for a very long time and after every year is getting harder and harder for the newcomers.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/immigrants-get-fewer-jobs-earn-less-1.1092938
here we can see..
Despite having generally higher levels of education, new Canadians earn less than their native-born peers and are less likely to have a job...
"While Canada has done a great job of attracting foreign talent, integrating newcomers effectively has proven to be more of a challenge,"
Wage gap

In 2005, the entire population of immigrants working full time in Canada earned about $45,000 on average yearly. For recent immigrants, the average salary drops to just $28,700.

In addition to wage discrepancies, the report highlights a growing disparity in who's even able to get a job.

My conclusion is also that the new comers have very limited possibilities compared to 15-20 years ago, and of course they will prefer to leave.

Evidently, the biggest GAP is between Federal Government policies (such as FSW and push to bring more immigrants to Canada) and the Private sector, which responds by rejecting and outright refusing to hire newcomers , or pay them less than to Natives.

This is a new phenomenon, where New Immigrants are becoming (in social hierarchy) what people of color used to be prior to 1960's. Unlike in the past, it's not codified in law,( it's just how people, a private sector behaves and treats newcomers under the existing circumstances), but the effects are similar still.

If we looked at Macro-Picture we would actually see a Regress, we would see Western Civilization going back in time, as if it had reached its' peak at some point in 1970's and since then is going down, deteriorating and moving towards an abyss the rest of the world was languishing in forever.

 

[david1697]

Didn't have a problem with that part of your statement. However, do you honestly believe that "Canada today, economy wise, is not much different from many third world countries". This is your statement. I see the poor in the developed countries and I compare it to the poor in my home country (a real 3rd world country), and it's not even close. Hell, the poor of a developed country has the material comfort of the middle class in a 3rd world country.

Yes, I believe it is "not much different".
I didn't say "it is the same as".

What is idiotic about that particular statement?

P.S. Notice, I am not calling you an idiot for implying that I made an idiotic statement, without even explaining what was idiotic about what I have said. I prefer to keep my exchange of opinion on civilized level, without name calling, personal insults and attacks. I hope others adhere to this standard of the conduct as well.

 

[RocketCity]

Yes, I believe it is "not much different".
I didn't say "it is the same as".

What is idiotic about that particular statement?

P.S. Notice, I am not calling you an idiot for implying that I made an idiotic statement, without even explaining what was idiotic about what I have said. I prefer to keep my exchange of opinion on civilized level, without name calling, personal insults and attacks. I hope others adhere to this standard of the conduct as well.

Maybe idiotic was a bit harsh. Ignorant is more accurate. If you haven't lived/been to a 3rd world country, you would not say that their economies are "not much different" as there is a HUGE gap between them. I have relatives who are considered poor in my home country that would take exception to your statement. Let's take a look at the GDP per capita of my home country (middle of the pack relative to other developing countries) and Canada. In 2013 my home country's GDP per capita was $3,475.3 whereas Canada's was around $52000. Don't tell me that those economies are "not much different".

P.S. You're not an idiot. I myself have done idiotic things but doesn't make me an idiot as a whole.

 

[RocketCity]

In 2005, the entire population of immigrants working full time in Canada earned about $45,000 on average yearly. For recent immigrants, the average salary drops to just $28,700.

Is that comparing apples to apples? One takes the average of entire population of immigrants whereas the other one takes the average of recently arrived immigrants.

That said, I don't doubt that it's gotten more difficult to find a job from 2005 to 2015. However, I don't think Canada is alone. From 2005 to 2015, the unemployment rate of the US went from under 5% to nearly 10% at its worst. Only recently has the unemployment rate of the US began to drop to nearly 2005 levels.

 

[Hussain Junejo]

Lets hope for the best :-D. This "Recession" Kinda conditions will end soon and there gonna be a great and long lasting Boom

 

[david1697]

Maybe idiotic was a bit harsh. Ignorant is more accurate. If you haven't lived/been to a 3rd world country, you would not say that their economies are "not much different" as there is a HUGE gap between them. I have relatives who are considered poor in my home country that would take exception to your statement. Let's take a look at the GDP per capita of my home country (middle of the pack relative to other developing countries) and Canada. In 2013 my home country's GDP per capita was $3,475.3 whereas Canada's was around $52000. Don't tell me that those economies are "not much different".

P.S. You're not an idiot. I myself have done idiotic things but doesn't make me an idiot as a while.

I stand what by what I have said. If you adamantly say it's idiotic and don't provide explanation, then you are asking to be called names , but still I am not going to respond to you likewise.

Instead, I will once again provide you with a measured, based on reason, reply.

Now I am not going to start a debate about economics and about GDP in dollars not being the most accurate measure of economic performance (for instance, a country where average home is fully owned and paid zero tax/$$ per year and where most of the population farms and grows food in a backyard may be much different place to be from a country with the same GDP, but where you have to pay a lot to buy food ,which is completely imported, and get a highly expensive shelter. Same GDP but different economic conditions).

I will simply state that a country where you must have a network to get a job and where you have hundreds of people applying for each white collar vacancy, in my opinion (and economy wise) is not much different from the other where you have ,may be, 1000+ people applying for each vacancy and where, as well, you must either network and/or pay bribe to land a white collar job.

Of course it's not the same , and I never said it's the same, it's different, but it's not much different.

 

[RocketCity]

Now I am not going to start a debate about economics and about GDP in dollars not being the most accurate measure of economic performance (for instance, a country where average home is fully owned and paid zero tax/$$ per year and where most of the population farms and grows food in a backyard may be much different place to be from a country with the same GDP, but where you have to pay a lot to buy food ,which is completely imported, and get a highly expensive shelter. Same GDP but different economic conditions).

Let's just agree to disagree here. My personal experience of growing up "poor" in a first world country compared to the struggle for my brother to find a white collar job in my home country (even after graduating in the top university in the country) will never allow me to agree with your statement.

I will simply state that a country where you must have a network to get a job and where you have hundreds of people applying for each white collar vacancy, in my opinion (and economy wise) is not much different from the other where you have ,may be, 1000+ people applying for each vacancy and where, as well, you must either network and/or pay bribe to land a white collar job.

We'll agree here. However, I'd say networking to a certain extent is important in every country. Some industries are more dependent on networking than others. I've a friend working Calgary who couldn't land a job while he was in the US after he completed his studies. He didn't have any trouble finding a job when he moved to Canada working for an oil services company. He did, however, know one of the HR managers in that company. So what's the difference? He had a better network in Canada than in the US. So the need for networking is not just a phenomenon found in Canada.

PS. Too call your statement idiotic was probably idiotic on my part. I actually value your views with respect to Canadian/US immigration. However, as I actually have experience with the 3rd world, I do not value your views on those subject as much.

 

[MUFC]

Evidently, the biggest GAP is between Federal Government policies (such as FSW and push to bring more immigrants to Canada) and the Private sector, which responds by rejecting and outright refusing to hire newcomers , or pay them less than to Natives.

This is a new phenomenon, where New Immigrants are becoming (in social hierarchy) what people of color used to be prior to 1960's. Unlike in the past, it's not codified in law,( it's just how people, a private sector behaves and treats newcomers under the existing circumstances), but the effects are similar still.

If we looked at Macro-Picture we would actually see a Regress, we would see Western Civilization going back in time, as if it had reached its' peak at some point in 1970's and since then is going down, deteriorating and moving towards an abyss the rest of the world was languishing in forever.

I can confirm that many people started to talk and see that problem. Canada is not the same, it's getting down.