Yes, anything can happen in Canada. Harper and Chris can come up with some bogus CIT app fraud stories, that is, something like Al Qaeda members getting citizenship through fraudulent means and trying to infiltrate the federal government, and then they can shut down the CIT application program and win the upcoming election easily. Anything is possible in Canada. Because people here are so dumb and stupid.polarbear said:Does minister has the power to put a temporary pause on the citizenship applications, like he did it for federal skilled category and parents and grandparents applications.
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No but he/she can surely make the process extremely slow and bureacratic such that its effectively akin to a cease environment - that would be bad politics in an 'immigrant rich' country such as Canada.polarbear said:Does minister has the power to put a temporary pause on the citizenship applications, like he did it for federal skilled category and parents and grandparents applications.
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Except that is pretty much what they have already done and they keep getting re-elected.Msafiri said:No but he/she can surely make the process extremely slow and bureacratic such that its effectively akin to a cease environment - that would be bad politics in an 'immigrant rich' country such as Canada.
The voters hear the message that CIC needs to be tough on frauds and guess what they like that! It sure helps the Feds when the 'immigrant' community votes for them in droves in vote rich Ontario giving them a majority in Parliament. The lower taxes, increased EI payment periods etc appealed to them more than the concerns of those waiting in line for their oath.links18 said:Except that is pretty much what they have already done and they keep getting re-elected.
In the current political climate is there really any downside for the CONS in bashing immigrants? They stoke up their conservative base in the West, while the immigrant rich communities split their votes between LIBS and NDP, allowing the Harperites to form a majority government. Where is the path out of this? In the US, the Republicans' anti-immigrant stance prevents them from winning national elections, even it guarantees them victories in gerrymandered districts. But what is the political price for immigrant bashing in Canada at the national level? None, it seems.Msafiri said:The voters hear the message that CIC needs to be tough on frauds and guess what they like that! It sure helps the Feds when the 'immigrant' community votes for them in droves in vote rich Ontario giving them a majority in Parliament. The lower taxes, increased EI payment periods etc appealed to them more than the concerns of those waiting in line for their oath.
Polls have shown time and time again that the majority of Canadian citizens (i.e. voters) are in favour of tougher immigration/citizenship laws. Having a platform that including relaxed citizenship laws or speeding up citizenship processing times will likely lose votes for a candidate. I don't see anyone from any party doing this anytime soon.links18 said:Except that is pretty much what they have already done and they keep getting re-elected.
This is why we need to work in our own communities to show the 95% (some odd) of us who are collateral damage to the fraud crackdown. We are letting the Tories and the CIC define us and define the issue of unreasonable delays.Msafiri said:The voters hear the message that CIC needs to be tough on frauds and guess what they like that! It sure helps the Feds when the 'immigrant' community votes for them in droves in vote rich Ontario giving them a majority in Parliament.
I totally agree with Eileenf!eileenf said:This is why we need to work in our own communities to show the 95% (some odd) of us who are collateral damage to the fraud crackdown. We are letting the Tories and the CIC define us and define the issue of unreasonable delays.
Yes, this is unfortunately probably the case. People see immigrants as "guests" and as such they have no right to complain about anything the "hosts" do. They are supposed to take it and not ask questions. This same sentiment even comes through from some posters on this forum. Of course, these people have no credibility until they come out and say how long of a processing delay is unacceptable? How long is too long? 5 years? 10 years?scylla said:Polls have shown time and time again that the majority of Canadian citizens (i.e. voters) are in favour of tougher immigration/citizenship laws. Having a platform that including relaxed citizenship laws or speeding up citizenship processing times will likely lose votes for a candidate. I don't see anyone from any party doing this anytime soon.
Interestingly enough, a recent poll showed that immigrants (those not born in Canada) were more strongly in favour of tougher immigration laws than those born in Canada. Will try to find it since the stats were quite interesting...
This won't change until we can figure out how to make politicians pay a price for immigrant bashing. They figured it out in the US (at least at the national level). But how can we do that in Canada?eileenf said:This is why we need to work in our own communities to show the 95% (some odd) of us who are collateral damage to the fraud crackdown. We are letting the Tories and the CIC define us and define the issue of unreasonable delays.
True.links18 said:This won't change until we can figure out how to make politicians pay a price for immigrant bashing. They figured it out in the US (at least at the national level). But how can we do that in Canada?