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Amclon

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Hi an HNY ;)

We will be travelling to Canada next week to activate our residency and get our PR cards, but given the short timeframe we are obliged to return to Belgium after a few months in order to finish things before our full immigration to Montréal.

Given this, how should we proceed with the Good's list knowing that whatever we will enter with (our luggage) we will take back with us and we do not as yet know any details on shipping the rest of our goods at this time.

Can we enter as tourists while still activating our permanent residency?
I see a few instances of people that did this... how did it work?

Thanks for any insights,
 

dpenabill

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Amclon said:
Hi an HNY ;)

We will be travelling to Canada next week to activate our residency and get our PR cards, but given the short timeframe we are obliged to return to Belgium after a few months in order to finish things before our full immigration to Montréal.

Given this, how should we proceed with the Good's list knowing that whatever we will enter with (our luggage) we will take back with us and we do not as yet know any details on shipping the rest of our goods at this time.

Can we enter as tourists while still activating our permanent residency?
I see a few instances of people that did this... how did it work?

Thanks for any insights,
Overall, your plan is a common one.

You should be able to get better, more thorough responses to queries about the process of landing, and bringing goods, in the conference here with topics specifically about immigrating to Canada. This part of the forum, this conference, is specifically about PR obligations and thus mostly about issues and procedures affecting those who have already landed.

No, you cannot enter as tourists while at the same time activating your PR status.

If you come to Canada and go through the process of landing, you will become a Permanent Resident of Canada as of that date. You will no longer be able to enter Canada with any other status than that of a PR. Moreover, after that date you will need a PR card to board a flight to Canada. Thus, while your plan is a common one, remember that you will need to be in Canada long enough to obtain the PR card (which will require giving a Canadian residence address at the time of landing) or to plan on obtaining a PR Travel Document before you can again board a flight to Canada from abroad. (Your visa-exempt passport will no longer work for boarding a flight to Canada.)

Reminder: it can take several weeks, even more than a month, and sometimes longer, to obtain the PR card after landing. And, again, one needs to have a place of residence address in order to have IRCC send them a PR card.


Regarding importing personal effects LATER:

I offer the following with the caveat that I have not kept current with the procedure involved in actually landing and becoming a PR, my understanding relative to importing one's personal property is that the process remains largely unchanged even though the specific forms used have changed.

Generally, at the time of landing you must declare all personal effects, "goods," which you will import to Canada as part of your immigration to Canada. These can be items which will not be sent to Canada until later.

Basically you need to decide what items you own and personally use (not items to be purchased or otherwise obtained after landing) you might bring to Canada, and list those as "goods to follow."

You may already be familiar with the applicable forms for importing your personal effects, which I believe are respectively titled "Personal Effects Accounting Document" and "Personal Effects Accounting Document (list of good imported)." These forms provide for declaring "Goods to follow."

The procedure is to complete these forms before or, at the latest, at the time of arrival at the PoE when going through the landing process. The latter is not a good idea, at least for anyone who has a lengthy list of goods being imported, and especially for anyone who is listing items as goods to follow. (Many PRs complete two copies of the "list of goods imported" form, one listing goods brought at the time of landing and the other a list of goods to follow.)

Thus, use the appropriate forms to list all the items you will eventually be bringing to Canada, as goods to follow, and you can then later ship or bring these items to Canada when you are ready to actually settle in Canada.

If your question is about how to go about this if you have not yet decided what personal effects you intend to import into Canada, to bring with you to Canada, the best I can offer is that you can list everything you own right up to the point of making the trip to land in Canada, and which you might possibly be bringing with you. If you subsequently bring only a portion of these items, no big deal.

My understanding is that the immigrant must own and personally use the items to be imported, as the personal effects of a settler, before immigrating to Canada.

Perhaps, if you remain abroad more than a year from the date of landing, you could then import your personal effects as a former resident returning to Canada, but these would nonetheless still be limited to items you owned and used, and indeed I believe there is a six month time of ownership and use requirement (meaning you must have owned and been using these items for at least six months prior to the return to Canada).
 

specialmary

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Jun 18, 2012
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dpenabill said:
Overall, your plan is a common one.

You should be able to get better, more thorough responses to queries about the process of landing, and bringing goods, in the conference here with topics specifically about immigrating to Canada. This part of the forum, this conference, is specifically about PR obligations and thus mostly about issues and procedures affecting those who have already landed.

No, you cannot enter as tourists while at the same time activating your PR status.

If you come to Canada and go through the process of landing, you will become a Permanent Resident of Canada as of that date. You will no longer be able to enter Canada with any other status than that of a PR. Moreover, after that date you will need a PR card to board a flight to Canada. Thus, while your plan is a common one, remember that you will need to be in Canada long enough to obtain the PR card (which will require giving a Canadian residence address at the time of landing) or to plan on obtaining a PR Travel Document before you can again board a flight to Canada from abroad. (Your visa-exempt passport will no longer work for boarding a flight to Canada.)

Reminder: it can take several weeks, even more than a month, and sometimes longer, to obtain the PR card after landing. And, again, one needs to have a place of residence address in order to have IRCC send them a PR card.


Regarding importing personal effects LATER:

I offer the following with the caveat that I have not kept current with the procedure involved in actually landing and becoming a PR, my understanding relative to importing one's personal property is that the process remains largely unchanged even though the specific forms used have changed.

Generally, at the time of landing you must declare all personal effects, "goods," which you will import to Canada as part of your immigration to Canada. These can be items which will not be sent to Canada until later.

Basically you need to decide what items you own and personally use (not items to be purchased or otherwise obtained after landing) you might bring to Canada, and list those as "goods to follow."

You may already be familiar with the applicable forms for importing your personal effects, which I believe are respectively titled "Personal Effects Accounting Document" and "Personal Effects Accounting Document (list of good imported)." These forms provide for declaring "Goods to follow."

The procedure is to complete these forms before or, at the latest, at the time of arrival at the PoE when going through the landing process. The latter is not a good idea, at least for anyone who has a lengthy list of goods being imported, and especially for anyone who is listing items as goods to follow. (Many PRs complete two copies of the "list of goods imported" form, one listing goods brought at the time of landing and the other a list of goods to follow.)

Thus, use the appropriate forms to list all the items you will eventually be bringing to Canada, as goods to follow, and you can then later ship or bring these items to Canada when you are ready to actually settle in Canada.

If your question is about how to go about this if you have not yet decided what personal effects you intend to import into Canada, to bring with you to Canada, the best I can offer is that you can list everything you own right up to the point of making the trip to land in Canada, and which you might possibly be bringing with you. If you subsequently bring only a portion of these items, no big deal.

My understanding is that the immigrant must own and personally use the items to be imported, as the personal effects of a settler, before immigrating to Canada.

Perhaps, if you remain abroad more than a year from the date of landing, you could then import your personal effects as a former resident returning to Canada, but these would nonetheless still be limited to items you owned and used, and indeed I believe there is a six month time of ownership and use requirement (meaning you must have owned and been using these items for at least six months prior to the return to Canada).
Added on this detail description, currently it will take at least 8 weeks to get a permanent residency card. One can only apply for the card in Canada. Some people provide a mailing address (friend's/relative address), leave Canada, and then ask their friend/relative to send the card to them overseas. However, occasionally CIC randomly ask people to pick up the card in person.

Permanent resident card is ony required to board a commercial vehicle that travels across border. Another alternative to travel across border is to use personal vehicle/walk across border - this option does not require permanent resident card.
 

Amclon

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Jan 2, 2017
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Thanks for the info.

We are clear on PR card procedures, hopefully we have left ourselves enough time to receive them before we leave.

For the goods lists, we were hoping to delay this as we are not sure what we will or not take and itemising everything "in case" is a big job just before a trip like this.

Are custom duties enormous if we decide to leave the goods to follow blank and bring things in later?

Thanks
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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Amclon said:
Thanks for the info.

We are clear on PR card procedures, hopefully we have left ourselves enough time to receive them before we leave.

For the goods lists, we were hoping to delay this as we are not sure what we will or not take and itemising everything "in case" is a big job just before a trip like this.

Are custom duties enormous if we decide to leave the goods to follow blank and bring things in later?

Thanks
Best I can suggest is to itemize what you can. Focus on itemizing the big items, and the more expensive items, and by category or group items like clothing.

The greater the value a specific item has, the more that particular item needs to be itemized individually. Things with serial numbers and of value need to be individually itemized.

In contrast, things like kitchen ware, many tools, clothing, and such, can be described generally. Better to specify a number if feasible but not necessarily. (And the number could refer to containers, like "two large boxes of men's dress and casual clothing; three large boxes of woman's dress and casual clothing.)

Shipping costs can be prohibitive or at least not cost-effective, so there are probably many things (big, heavy things in particular) which are not worth importing.

In the meantime, immigrating is a big deal, and it demands a fairly concerted effort . . . so yeah, there can be a lot of work involved, and sure, one will often have to identify priorities and make decisions accordingly.

I do not know what duties which actually apply if you decide to bring in items not declared as goods to follow.

But again, there is usually some flexibility allowed in describing some goods to follow generally rather than per item. How much flexibility there is in this regard I do not know, but if push comes to shove, at least do the general description for as much as you are otherwise not itemizing.

My sense (but I have not followed recent reports about this, not for several years now) is that Canada is rather liberal and flexible regarding this part of the immigration process.
 

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Sorry to interject here but it is possible to activate your PR on one trip and then declare goods on a second trip as it's what I did.

I activated my PR in September for immigration purposes and when I return next month I will complete the customs process. This is not a normal procedure but allowed. I checked with the CBSA specifically as I was in a similar situation to you.

I HAD to activate my PR but had no idea at the time what I would be taking with me. I called CBSA and posed this to them and they said it can be done.

We do have another option and that is my wife is Canadian and then we can declare all good as hers (she has been out of Canada for a certain period of time so also receives a tax allowance)
 

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And just to add with regards the PR Card, if you know someone in Canada who you trust you can give the address to immigration.

Now they may not take it as you'll be leaving again. If this is the case then return to Belgium and then change your address online (you need to travel to Canada within the next 4 weeks of this change)

The tricky part is if you don't change your address within 180 days then you'll need to reapply for your PR Card.

In my case I changed my address and my PR card was sent within 10 days.

In the meantime I applied for a PR Travel Document in my home country (took two weeks), so I can travel back to Canada get my PR Card and.....

Job Done
 

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Passport Req..
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VISA ISSUED...
29-08-16
LANDED..........
12-09-16
I thought this added bit of information would be useful to you:

Memorandum D2-2-1

Variation Between Customs/Immigration Legislation

9. A person's status for customs purposes is not always the same as their status for immigration purposes.

10. As an example, a person can become a permanent resident without the intention of residing immediately in Canada. However, this person is not determined to be a settler as defined in the customs legislation, and be eligible for the provisions of tariff item No. 9807.00.00. In this case, since the person does not have any intention of remaining in Canada at that time, and will live outside Canada for an undetermined period of time, that person is considered a non-resident of Canada and not a settler, for the purpose of the Customs Tariff, and is eligible to temporarily import goods under tariff item No. 9803.00.00.

In plain language you can 'land' for immigration purposes but enter as a visitor, you can then enter at a later date for customs purposes.

I hope that helps and makes your life easier.