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Taking the Oath outside of Canada

mattster26

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My spouse is currently awaiting her Oath invitation - she's a May 2019 applicant, passed the test on 10 Jan 2020, and got CIT 0520 shortly after passing the test requesting travel itineraries, boarding passes, etc. (app sent in with 1097 days physically present - in hindsight perhaps a little early, however given the current situation, she may have missed out on the test altogether had we waited). Several months after sending those in, her ECAS has been showing as "Decision Made" since early July.

At this time, we are set to move to Europe at the end of next month, for at least 12 months, as we have both been working on lining up work for nearly a year now (pre-covid), clearly expecting this citizenship process to be completed within the 12 month timeframe IRCC provides, and in keeping with most pre-COVID timelines on this forum.

My questions are as follows:

1. How do we go about arranging she take her Oath abroad, in person or virtually? Needless to say travel will be difficult to arrange with a 1-week lead time, and utterly pointless given that the ceremony would be virtual anyway. While we do plan on returning after 12 months, we probably won't want to travel for a 30-minute zoom call during COVID.

2. If not possible, will IRCC reschedule this to a more convenient time for her, and if yes, how can we have them move her up the line for virtual Oath to sort this out before we leave Canada at the end of September? We have several acquaintances whom applied for this AFTER my wife, and have already had their ceremony (set up by the same processing office), and are now citizens and she is not!

Given how we've been inconvenienced by this whole process, and being singled out for being diligent, paying the fees, and applying as soon as was possible, this is the bare minimum one would expect.

If anyone has any experience or idea on what can be done, your feedback will be greatly appreciated! :)
 

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I'm pretty sure that all oaths are taken with in Canada by a Canadian judge , Even during virtual ceremony the applicant is asked if they are in Canada or outside.
Not sure if any one in this forum can share his experience because of travel ban also this Virtual thing just recently introduced.
I believe you should inform IRCC about your current situation and
 

tosinosho1992

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My spouse is currently awaiting her Oath invitation - she's a May 2019 applicant, passed the test on 10 Jan 2020, and got CIT 0520 shortly after passing the test requesting travel itineraries, boarding passes, etc. (app sent in with 1097 days physically present - in hindsight perhaps a little early, however given the current situation, she may have missed out on the test altogether had we waited). Several months after sending those in, her ECAS has been showing as "Decision Made" since early July.

At this time, we are set to move to Europe at the end of next month, for at least 12 months, as we have both been working on lining up work for nearly a year now (pre-covid), clearly expecting this citizenship process to be completed within the 12 month timeframe IRCC provides, and in keeping with most pre-COVID timelines on this forum.

My questions are as follows:

1. How do we go about arranging she take her Oath abroad, in person or virtually? Needless to say travel will be difficult to arrange with a 1-week lead time, and utterly pointless given that the ceremony would be virtual anyway. While we do plan on returning after 12 months, we probably won't want to travel for a 30-minute zoom call during COVID.

2. If not possible, will IRCC reschedule this to a more convenient time for her, and if yes, how can we have them move her up the line for virtual Oath to sort this out before we leave Canada at the end of September? We have several acquaintances whom applied for this AFTER my wife, and have already had their ceremony (set up by the same processing office), and are now citizens and she is not!

Given how we've been inconvenienced by this whole process, and being singled out for being diligent, paying the fees, and applying as soon as was possible, this is the bare minimum one would expect.

If anyone has any experience or idea on what can be done, your feedback will be greatly appreciated! :)
From experience: You will not be allowed to take the virtual oath outside of Canada. Once you receive the invitation, let them know you are out of the country. They will advise you to tell them when you're back to the country.
 

mattster26

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From experience: You will not be allowed to take the virtual oath outside of Canada. Once you receive the invitation, let them know you are out of the country. They will advise you to tell them when you're back to the country.
Now that I've calmed down a little, this would actually be an ok result in the meantime. Will IRCC be willing to "hold" the application for a full 12 months?
 

tosinosho1992

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Now that I've calmed down a little, this would actually be an ok result in the meantime. Will IRCC be willing to "hold" the application for a full 12 months?
That I'm not sure of. The virtual oath is out of their normal process of operation. I believe they understand that these are unprecedented times and people would be stuck in different countries; hence the reason the virtual oath email invite would ask you to confirm if you're available to take the oath virtually. It won't even show on your ECAS (to the best of my knowledge). Now, I don't know how long the pandemic would last, I'm guessing if normal operations resume, they would become stricter. You can make a case that you would like to take your oath in-person to relish the experience, however long it would take.
 

issteven

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Now that I've calmed down a little, this would actually be an ok result in the meantime. Will IRCC be willing to "hold" the application for a full 12 months?
just tell them you are stuck they will decide, as current situation is no one seen before.
 

Sobea

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My spouse is currently awaiting her Oath invitation - she's a May 2019 applicant, passed the test on 10 Jan 2020, and got CIT 0520 shortly after passing the test requesting travel itineraries, boarding passes, etc. (app sent in with 1097 days physically present - in hindsight perhaps a little early, however given the current situation, she may have missed out on the test altogether had we waited). Several months after sending those in, her ECAS has been showing as "Decision Made" since early July.

At this time, we are set to move to Europe at the end of next month, for at least 12 months, as we have both been working on lining up work for nearly a year now (pre-covid), clearly expecting this citizenship process to be completed within the 12 month timeframe IRCC provides, and in keeping with most pre-COVID timelines on this forum.

My questions are as follows:

1. How do we go about arranging she take her Oath abroad, in person or virtually? Needless to say travel will be difficult to arrange with a 1-week lead time, and utterly pointless given that the ceremony would be virtual anyway. While we do plan on returning after 12 months, we probably won't want to travel for a 30-minute zoom call during COVID.

2. If not possible, will IRCC reschedule this to a more convenient time for her, and if yes, how can we have them move her up the line for virtual Oath to sort this out before we leave Canada at the end of September? We have several acquaintances whom applied for this AFTER my wife, and have already had their ceremony (set up by the same processing office), and are now citizens and she is not!

Given how we've been inconvenienced by this whole process, and being singled out for being diligent, paying the fees, and applying as soon as was possible, this is the bare minimum one would expect.

If anyone has any experience or idea on what can be done, your feedback will be greatly appreciated! :)
What about your wife’s oath? Did she take oath virtually outside Canada?
 

Dalboy1980

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My spouse is currently awaiting her Oath invitation - she's a May 2019 applicant, passed the test on 10 Jan 2020, and got CIT 0520 shortly after passing the test requesting travel itineraries, boarding passes, etc. (app sent in with 1097 days physically present - in hindsight perhaps a little early, however given the current situation, she may have missed out on the test altogether had we waited). Several months after sending those in, her ECAS has been showing as "Decision Made" since early July.

At this time, we are set to move to Europe at the end of next month, for at least 12 months, as we have both been working on lining up work for nearly a year now (pre-covid), clearly expecting this citizenship process to be completed within the 12 month timeframe IRCC provides, and in keeping with most pre-COVID timelines on this forum.

My questions are as follows:

1. How do we go about arranging she take her Oath abroad, in person or virtually? Needless to say travel will be difficult to arrange with a 1-week lead time, and utterly pointless given that the ceremony would be virtual anyway. While we do plan on returning after 12 months, we probably won't want to travel for a 30-minute zoom call during COVID.

2. If not possible, will IRCC reschedule this to a more convenient time for her, and if yes, how can we have them move her up the line for virtual Oath to sort this out before we leave Canada at the end of September? We have several acquaintances whom applied for this AFTER my wife, and have already had their ceremony (set up by the same processing office), and are now citizens and she is not!

Given how we've been inconvenienced by this whole process, and being singled out for being diligent, paying the fees, and applying as soon as was possible, this is the bare minimum one would expect.

If anyone has any experience or idea on what can be done, your feedback will be greatly appreciated! :)
Hi

I have to agree with you….return back thousands of miles for a 30-40 min zoom video lol! Not to mention spending lots of money…..

When will some common sense prevail and if they now agree tests for instance can be taken overseas (like I did mine) then why not oath also…..

Flaming ridiculous isn’t it….I can live in hope I guess but alas may have little choice to return.
 

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What about your wife’s oath? Did she take oath virtually outside Canada?
You need to be physically in Canada to take the oath.
 

rajkamalmohanram

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Hi

I have to agree with you….return back thousands of miles for a 30-40 min zoom video lol! Not to mention spending lots of money…..

When will some common sense prevail and if they now agree tests for instance can be taken overseas (like I did mine) then why not oath also…..

Flaming ridiculous isn’t it….I can live in hope I guess but alas may have little choice to return.
The problem is this :

You'll have to cut your PR card into 4 pieces (on camera) at the end of the citizenship ceremony and needless to say, you can't use the PR card to get back to Canada once you become a Canadian citizen.

Also, all Canadian citizens need a Canadian passport to enter Canada. To apply for a passport (in Canada or overseas), you need the original citizenship certificate. Currently, citizenship certificates are mailed to your address in Canada. For Citizenship grant applicants who applied under section 5(1) <which would be most of us), I don't think there is a process in place to mail certificates outside Canada. So, you can't apply for a Canadian passport and you can't return to Canada if you take oath outside Canada at this point unless a new process is put in place where the Canadian consulate can print the certificate for you OR the citizenship certificate can be printed in Canada and can be safely mailed to the Canadian consulate in your country.

So, I think you'll understand the problem as to why citizenship grant applicants currently can't take the oath outside Canada. There isn't a process in place to make the citizenship certificate available to citizenship grant applicants who are overseas.

Unless IRCC explicitly responds to you telling allowing you to take oath outside Canada, you should assume that you can't take oath outside Canada. There are only 2 options at this time (but it could change in the future) - get back to Canada and take oath OR reschedule the oath ceremony.

You can't compare taking test to taking oath outside Canada. Taking the test doesn't make you a Canadian citizen and you can travel back with your PR card. You can't travel back with your PR card once you take oath (and you can't apply for a passport without the original citizenship certificate).
 

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Hi

I have to agree with you….return back thousands of miles for a 30-40 min zoom video lol! Not to mention spending lots of money…..

When will some common sense prevail and if they now agree tests for instance can be taken overseas (like I did mine) then why not oath also…..

Flaming ridiculous isn’t it….I can live in hope I guess but alas may have little choice to return.
Recently they updated the page for oath, similar to test, to inform them on your situation. They would advice you further. Worst case you can attempt this and see what happens instead of directly asking for rescheduling or flying before knowing if its applicable for our category. As you are outside, its better call ircc and find out if its applicable for our category application with reference to the recently updated page on website.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/coronavirus-covid19/citizenship.html#oath
You need to be in Canada to take the Oath of Citizenship. If you get your invitation while you’re outside Canada, reply to the invitation email to explain your situation in detail.
In your email
  • put “Outside Canada – Oath of Citizenship” in the subject line
  • In the body of your message, include
    • your full name
    • your application number
    • a detailed explanation of your situation
We’ll contact you with your next steps after we receive your email.