Suggestion please: Canada or India (Imp)
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so few things ur new in Canada so u dont see all the benefits same will happen to some of us who have been here for 5-10 years if we move back to India wont see benefits in india. U should consider in ur job in India vs Canada what r ur future prospects meaning 5 years down the line how much will u earn in India vs Canada is it easy to be a CEO,director manager etc. U had all the felicities in India due to u being working for a few years here ur new in ur job is new, u will have to know ur boss a little longer to get work from home. Also if u jump jobs u may find a better deal in a few years. But again dont compare ur situation right now in Canada to ur well settled life in India. I feel u should be where u find success. If u dont like Canada u have an option to go back but give it a try for a few days.sheena1983 said:
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I feel you mate.
2012 i spent every single penny of my saving almost 70K CAD in my Master's from Canada and in 2013 i came back to India to stay with my family just coz Intangibles are too big part of my life.
Money came second, i wanted my family, friends, Delhi inside me. I just cant stand the fact of staying away.
I came back started same business got married had a kid 3 months back and now since 2 years i am trying to find my way back. I want to go back, face some problems make some income, my wife wants to study from Outside i want better education for my kid and if it happens i will stay or i will come back.
For you just 1 suggestion, think of 25 years down the lane, India is going to worse with pollution, unbreathable air, jobs and everything. I know somethings can not be matches with India but well make a list of YES / NO and decide.
I am sure the move back factor is weighing on you but 25 years down the lane you will love this decision.
I always say to my wife, Immigration is ruining the first generation to make better life for the second generation , i know many people who did this and now they are happy and i want to try do the same.
2012 i spent every single penny of my saving almost 70K CAD in my Master's from Canada and in 2013 i came back to India to stay with my family just coz Intangibles are too big part of my life.
Money came second, i wanted my family, friends, Delhi inside me. I just cant stand the fact of staying away.
I came back started same business got married had a kid 3 months back and now since 2 years i am trying to find my way back. I want to go back, face some problems make some income, my wife wants to study from Outside i want better education for my kid and if it happens i will stay or i will come back.
For you just 1 suggestion, think of 25 years down the lane, India is going to worse with pollution, unbreathable air, jobs and everything. I know somethings can not be matches with India but well make a list of YES / NO and decide.
I am sure the move back factor is weighing on you but 25 years down the lane you will love this decision.
I always say to my wife, Immigration is ruining the first generation to make better life for the second generation , i know many people who did this and now they are happy and i want to try do the same.
Sheena, you should go home my friend.. don't stay in Canada
I am also making a little over 75k pa (including everything). But heck,, i also feel like everything is empty here. YES, you are right, no friends. Just a couple of folks for daily chit chat or small talks. But seriously, I don't consider them friends. I keep myself busy every weekend to see people or do some stuff just to kill the time. Monday to Friday is fine, my brain is always busy and my body feels tired too when I get home after work..
And what I am afraid the most is thinking that I would be losing my job someday. I'm in AB and I see my company`s numbers every effing day. I also know, here in AB, it's ridiculously difficult to find decent jobs, at least in my field for the time being.
Every day in my bed after work, I keep missing my good ol' days back in my home country and keep asking myself why do I keep doing all these things. Sometimes I think, It would be best if I got laid off so I can go back home with justifiable reasons, I dunno.. but I honestly l feel like i have no life here. just as you said.
I dunno..
I am also making a little over 75k pa (including everything). But heck,, i also feel like everything is empty here. YES, you are right, no friends. Just a couple of folks for daily chit chat or small talks. But seriously, I don't consider them friends. I keep myself busy every weekend to see people or do some stuff just to kill the time. Monday to Friday is fine, my brain is always busy and my body feels tired too when I get home after work..
And what I am afraid the most is thinking that I would be losing my job someday. I'm in AB and I see my company`s numbers every effing day. I also know, here in AB, it's ridiculously difficult to find decent jobs, at least in my field for the time being.
Every day in my bed after work, I keep missing my good ol' days back in my home country and keep asking myself why do I keep doing all these things. Sometimes I think, It would be best if I got laid off so I can go back home with justifiable reasons, I dunno.. but I honestly l feel like i have no life here. just as you said.
I dunno..
It depends on the type of person you are. If you are very social, nosy and always like to be surrounded by people and extrovert type then you will find it hard in Canada or US. In general the people and the culture in these countries is like that. People are reserved, independent, business minded in these countries.
I had these like/dislike phases when I was in US but it is very natural to experience since the cultures are very contradicting in these countries compared to asian countries. If it's been just a few months for you so far in canada then you should give it more time. Find the good things that Canada has to offer which you won't find in india. There will definitely be changes in your POV. Also do not watch movies like swades or listen to those type of songs once you are out of india. It will only trigger patriotic emotions in you.
I had these like/dislike phases when I was in US but it is very natural to experience since the cultures are very contradicting in these countries compared to asian countries. If it's been just a few months for you so far in canada then you should give it more time. Find the good things that Canada has to offer which you won't find in india. There will definitely be changes in your POV. Also do not watch movies like swades or listen to those type of songs once you are out of india. It will only trigger patriotic emotions in you.
It's never too late to follow what your heart says....sheena1983 said:suggestion please - very important decision but hard to make: Thinking of moving back to India...please advise...
We recently moved to Canada on a PR visa from India. got a very good job with $80K full time employment. This is my 3rd job in 2 months - i didn't like the first 2 though the salary was almost same in all 3...
Now its been couple of months in Canada- Canada is good & Beautiful country, but we're not liking it here, apart from big cultural shock (specially at office) we're making end of month almost same money what we used to make in India. (household income in India was close to $4K pm & in Canada is little above $4K pm)...
It is not about Canada vs India - it is 'My' life in Canada vs 'My' life in India.
India:
Car+Driver provided by company for free to commute to office daily (almost every Indian MNC provides this facility)
Work from home - whenever I want to
Maids (cheap n easy availability)
Inexpensive day care
Relative support (only Indians will understand)
Visit any relative/friend whenever feel like
Weather - little extra hot for 2 months of the year - but manageable due to AC in car/home/office. Amazing weather for 10 months
Traffic Jams - yes, a lot.
Specialist doctor - waiting 0-7 days
Que discipline - followed 60% of the time
Roads - 60% of the roads are good
Office & housing (we use to live in a big housing society) infra - same or little extra advance than Canada.
Canada:
TTC is good - but jammed during office time, hard to find space to stand as well.
Work from home - not easy - have to convince boss and can't ask every time.
No maids - but human operated Washer, Dryer, Vacuum, etc. available. Yeah - cooking no option- have to cook.
Day care - average $1000 pm (subsidized day-care for lower household income ppl)..
No relative support...
Lot of respect for time & privacy = hence no bumping in a lot
Weather: 4 to 5 months good rest is winter & harsh winter - yes, heaters everywhere.
Traffic jams - yes - but not like india.
Specialist doctor - waiting 2 to 12 months, if emergency - dial 911
Que discipline - followed 95% of the time
Roads: almost 99% of roads i have seen are good
India:
Rent 2 bedroom condo: $200 PM
Car : $ 200 PM with insurance
Hydro: $ 10 pm
Maid: $ 20 pm
Day Care: $ 100 pm (subsidized due to our company Tie-Up)
Internet + Phone: Free (company provided)
Daily office commute: Free (company provided)
Groceries: $ 100 PM
Insurance - Company provided
Misc: 100
Total:730
Canada
Rent: 1+den $ 1620 PM (Heat, water, hydro, Parking & house Insurance included) (they don't give 1 bedroom condo on rent in most of the good buildings to family of 2 adult with 1 small kid, u have to take minimum 1+den)
Internet: $ 45 pm
Phone x2: 90 (60 + 30 for 2 phone)
TTC: $141 pm
Car: 350 (Car & Insurance) I see it cheaper to commute office daily to downtown by TTC rather than parking ur car in downtown.
Groceries: 500 PM
Insurance : half paid by company other half is $110 pm ($53 Per pay)
Misc- 144
Total: 3000 PM
We're thinking of moving back to India - why:
1. Almost same income
2. more savings in India
3. Cultural shock (yes, we overlooked it while moving) in office and in general
4. expensive vacations/outings
5. No friends..
6. Started feeling like we have no life.
7. Missing India
8. missing all the luxuries we had there (driver+maid+work from home+things easily available by paying extra)
9. No relatives (If I get my parents here - it will not be easy to get their PRs now-a-days...they only need working people i guess
10.Not "much" difference in (daily) routine life when compared with India (except weather).
11. we're in our mid 30's, so life is little tough at this phase & age of life to adjust in a new country.
12. Except few things like good road, infrastructure, etc. almost everything is available in India. obviously no clean air n water in India - and for that we have water purifiers and AC in home/office/car. And Air is not really that bad except few places in India where we don't live.
13. good investment options in India (Bank FD's rate is around 8 to 9 % per year and lot of mutual funds doing good with average 14% per year)
15. Education is also not bad - can debate - i see lot of Indians doing good here in Canadian corporate world with Indian education.
List can go on since I am from India and not Canada. And that is why I am here on this forum seeking advice.
So, shall we move back to India or stay in Canada is the biggest question of our life right now.
We're very tensed and confused - I need advice please... like why India or Canada...why go back or don't go back....I welcome everyone's comment but I think Indians will be able to understand our situation more....
withing few months I got 4 offers and worked for 3 companies and left 2 of them working for 1 to 2 weeks and continuing with the 3rd one - so the job market is good and not that tough i would say like India.
Overall - We're comfortable here but not happy and in India we're living luxuries life with full of happiness or say happening events every day every-where. And yes, lot of people are scaring us with -40 degree weather coming soon...
I spoke to few people here in Canada:
Some say Canada is amazing - it is the best place in world - India is not good - not safe, Canada is safe, etc.etc....Hence, let me reiterate - this is only my experience and am no-one to comment/say anything about Canada/India. It is just my life in India vs my life in Canada. I am not saying India or Canada is good or bad. People say based on their experience -
Some said: I am incapable and incompetent to live in Canada - o'common I have a job, house, car, cash in account, etc. I have got really good feedback in just 1 month at work...In fact - this is the advance version of myself. I am working for more than 7 hours a day in office continuously (4 hrs was max in India) and I keep reading books and I am also managing my own finance and cooking and cleaning and a lot f things - which is good - but I've never done so many things myself in India - I had CA for finance - maids, drivers, well lets not get into that - then someone said its good to be self capable but why when we have options...
Some said we're consumer driven country not do savings like India.. I said - how do u manage to save like India here when our basics are so expensive. And if India is not a consumer country - then there is something wrong with Apple, Moto, HP, Dell, Toyota, etc. etc. all take Indian market into consideration before coming up with their next version/product....
Trust me - the way i am living n working here - If I wud have been same in India - i would have saved lot of money and would have grown personally & professionally as well. Imagine kinda efforts we put in for Documents-IELTS-PR-Packing n Moving-Job Hunting-House hunting-trying understand whole new world-etc.etc... I realize if i wud have put in these efforts in something else......
Sometimes I feel we had whole time in the world with friends and relatives everywhere in India...and I have wasted so much time by just going here n there in India and had fun entire day and laughed for 100 times a day...Whereas here - i lost my real laugh.....
I am here on this forum - because I wanted to know why am not able to enjoy my life here...Am i doing something wrong - or My salary is very low where I just meet my basics and save around $1K pm and I should not save that money as well and go on vacation or spend on something which might make us happy??...but then I will not have some emergency funds.... I donno if I should go back or not....please advise.....
Or, maybe this immigration is for the people who are not doing good in India or they don't like India....just a guess...
If I am in your situation I will move back to India, because life is all about "having quality of life and happiness". When you are sure you will have both in India it will be wise decision to move back.
Please go back, I totally understand you, Believe me you are lucky to talk like this. Not everyone can afford to go back. JUST GO BACK and you will be fine
First 6 months of immigration will be the most difficult time in your life. Then it will be better.
I am European, but know India pretty well from the inside - not just as a tourist going to Goa or Taj Mahal) And I do understand what you mean when saying about happiness.
Really impressed by all the perks described, but you can answer yourself the questions:
- when in India, if not employed by this company, will your quality of life be the same? will it be easy for you to transfer to another job and retain all the benefits? Now in Canada you're just a newcomer and you're doing very well. Who says you will not get this benefits in let's say a year or two?
- level of criminal offence in the country. no kidding.
- when retainig Indian passport and skipping Canadian citizenship, will it be so easy to travel the world, for example? I mean, Caadian passport means vise free for most countries. Will it be the same with Indian?
- India is developing, and the pace of development is impressive. Now you use the benefit of services (maid, driver, etc) just because your salary is high, and labour's salary is low. In 5-10 years due to economic growth their wages will grow, and their service will cost much more then now - it will eat a different part from your income now.
What you unfortunately can not beat in Canada:
- style of working. US and Canadian work really much and they are diligent - due to their traditions and sometimes religion (Christian protestants). That's the way their grandfathers lived and that's how they built a prosperious country. It will not become really relaxing at work in most cases.
- you cannot get everything of paying little extra. It's to be paid accordingly ( if we speak about service, for example) or illegal (avoiding traffic police fines, for examples)
- climate. You will certainly get used to it, you immune system will get better, you'll see, but climate will not get warmer that soon. I know some Indians who do enjoy this weather. Perhaps you need just lil more time.
Generally yes, people move to Canada if they are not living good (good is different for everyone) in their home country.
What was your main drive for moving to Canada?
Anyway, you need to be in Canada for 2 years out of 5 to retain PR status.
I am European, but know India pretty well from the inside - not just as a tourist going to Goa or Taj Mahal) And I do understand what you mean when saying about happiness.
Really impressed by all the perks described, but you can answer yourself the questions:
- when in India, if not employed by this company, will your quality of life be the same? will it be easy for you to transfer to another job and retain all the benefits? Now in Canada you're just a newcomer and you're doing very well. Who says you will not get this benefits in let's say a year or two?
- level of criminal offence in the country. no kidding.
- when retainig Indian passport and skipping Canadian citizenship, will it be so easy to travel the world, for example? I mean, Caadian passport means vise free for most countries. Will it be the same with Indian?
- India is developing, and the pace of development is impressive. Now you use the benefit of services (maid, driver, etc) just because your salary is high, and labour's salary is low. In 5-10 years due to economic growth their wages will grow, and their service will cost much more then now - it will eat a different part from your income now.
What you unfortunately can not beat in Canada:
- style of working. US and Canadian work really much and they are diligent - due to their traditions and sometimes religion (Christian protestants). That's the way their grandfathers lived and that's how they built a prosperious country. It will not become really relaxing at work in most cases.
- you cannot get everything of paying little extra. It's to be paid accordingly ( if we speak about service, for example) or illegal (avoiding traffic police fines, for examples)
- climate. You will certainly get used to it, you immune system will get better, you'll see, but climate will not get warmer that soon. I know some Indians who do enjoy this weather. Perhaps you need just lil more time.
Generally yes, people move to Canada if they are not living good (good is different for everyone) in their home country.
What was your main drive for moving to Canada?
Anyway, you need to be in Canada for 2 years out of 5 to retain PR status.
Parents have to be happy and enjoy their lives first; then they can happily teach the kids. Everyone only has one life to live and you have to live it to the fullest. As long as you are good, you can find job and immigrate anywhere in the world. If his kids are good, they will have all the chances to immigrate whenever they want.
Secondly, while the OP can live a luxury life in India and offer all the best things in the world to his kids, he can't do the same thing in Canada. I am not sure that 80k is before or after tax. However, the average household income in Canada is 76k. With that in mind, the OP will either have an average or below average life in Canada. Will he want that for his kids? When his kids grow up, he will need to send them to travel, sports and music classes. How abt saving when he gets old? Why don't you spend time to rest and watch movie with your family instead of doing house chores?
The OP is different from other people. He has a choice. He can live well in India. He is a high skilled professional. I think he deserve a better life than an average Joe in Canada.
Secondly, while the OP can live a luxury life in India and offer all the best things in the world to his kids, he can't do the same thing in Canada. I am not sure that 80k is before or after tax. However, the average household income in Canada is 76k. With that in mind, the OP will either have an average or below average life in Canada. Will he want that for his kids? When his kids grow up, he will need to send them to travel, sports and music classes. How abt saving when he gets old? Why don't you spend time to rest and watch movie with your family instead of doing house chores?
The OP is different from other people. He has a choice. He can live well in India. He is a high skilled professional. I think he deserve a better life than an average Joe in Canada.
sheena1983 said:suggestion please - very important decision but hard to make: Thinking of moving back to India...please advise...
We recently moved to Canada on a PR visa from India. got a very good job with $80K full time employment. This is my 3rd job in 2 months - i didn't like the first 2 though the salary was almost same in all 3...
Now its been couple of months in Canada- Canada is good & Beautiful country, but we're not liking it here, apart from big cultural shock (specially at office) we're making end of month almost same money what we used to make in India. (household income in India was close to $4K pm & in Canada is little above $4K pm)...
It is not about Canada vs India - it is 'My' life in Canada vs 'My' life in India.
India:
Car+Driver provided by company for free to commute to office daily (almost every Indian MNC provides this facility)
Work from home - whenever I want to
Maids (cheap n easy availability)
Inexpensive day care
Relative support (only Indians will understand
Visit any relative/friend whenever feel like
Weather - little extra hot for 2 months of the year - but manageable due to AC in car/home/office. Amazing weather for 10 months
Traffic Jams - yes, a lot.
Specialist doctor - waiting 0-7 days
Que discipline - followed 60% of the time
Roads - 60% of the roads are good
Office & housing (we use to live in a big housing society) infra - same or little extra advance than Canada.
Canada:
TTC is good - but jammed during office time, hard to find space to stand as well.
Work from home - not easy - have to convince boss and can't ask every time.
No maids - but human operated Washer, Dryer, Vacuum, etc. available. Yeah - cooking no option- have to cook.
Day care - average $1000 pm (subsidized day-care for lower household income ppl)..
No relative support...
Lot of respect for time & privacy = hence no bumping in a lot
Weather: 4 to 5 months good rest is winter & harsh winter - yes, heaters everywhere.
Traffic jams - yes - but not like india.
Specialist doctor - waiting 2 to 12 months, if emergency - dial 911
Que discipline - followed 95% of the time
Roads: almost 99% of roads i have seen are good
India:
Rent 2 bedroom condo: $200 PM
Car : $ 200 PM with insurance
Hydro: $ 10 pm
Maid: $ 20 pm
Day Care: $ 100 pm (subsidized due to our company Tie-Up)
Internet + Phone: Free (company provided)
Daily office commute: Free (company provided)
Groceries: $ 100 PM
Insurance - Company provided
Misc: 100
Total:730
Canada
Rent: 1+den $ 1620 PM (Heat, water, hydro, Parking & house Insurance included) (they don't give 1 bedroom condo on rent in most of the good buildings to family of 2 adult with 1 small kid, u have to take minimum 1+den)
Internet: $ 45 pm
Phone x2: 90 (60 + 30 for 2 phone)
TTC: $141 pm
Car: 350 (Car & Insurance) I see it cheaper to commute office daily to downtown by TTC rather than parking ur car in downtown.
Groceries: 500 PM
Insurance : half paid by company other half is $110 pm ($53 Per pay)
Misc- 144
Total: 3000 PM
We're thinking of moving back to India - why:
1. Almost same income
2. more savings in India
3. Cultural shock (yes, we overlooked it while moving) in office and in general
4. expensive vacations/outings
5. No friends..
6. Started feeling like we have no life.
7. Missing India
8. missing all the luxuries we had there (driver+maid+work from home+things easily available by paying extra)
9. No relatives (If I get my parents here - it will not be easy to get their PRs now-a-days...they only need working people i guess
10.Not "much" difference in (daily) routine life when compared with India (except weather).
11. we're in our mid 30's, so life is little tough at this phase & age of life to adjust in a new country.
12. Except few things like good road, infrastructure, etc. almost everything is available in India. obviously no clean air n water in India - and for that we have water purifiers and AC in home/office/car. And Air is not really that bad except few places in India where we don't live.
13. good investment options in India (Bank FD's rate is around 8 to 9 % per year and lot of mutual funds doing good with average 14% per year)
15. Education is also not bad - can debate - i see lot of Indians doing good here in Canadian corporate world with Indian education.
List can go on since I am from India and not Canada. And that is why I am here on this forum seeking advice.
So, shall we move back to India or stay in Canada is the biggest question of our life right now.
We're very tensed and confused - I need advice please... like why India or Canada...why go back or don't go back....I welcome everyone's comment but I think Indians will be able to understand our situation more....
withing few months I got 4 offers and worked for 3 companies and left 2 of them working for 1 to 2 weeks and continuing with the 3rd one - so the job market is good and not that tough i would say like India.
Overall - We're comfortable here but not happy and in India we're living luxuries life with full of happiness or say happening events every day every-where. And yes, lot of people are scaring us with -40 degree weather coming soon...
I spoke to few people here in Canada:
Some say Canada is amazing - it is the best place in world - India is not good - not safe, Canada is safe, etc.etc....Hence, let me reiterate - this is only my experience and am no-one to comment/say anything about Canada/India. It is just my life in India vs my life in Canada. I am not saying India or Canada is good or bad. People say based on their experience -
Some said: I am incapable and incompetent to live in Canada - o'common I have a job, house, car, cash in account, etc. I have got really good feedback in just 1 month at work...In fact - this is the advance version of myself. I am working for more than 7 hours a day in office continuously (4 hrs was max in India) and I keep reading books and I am also managing my own finance and cooking and cleaning and a lot f things - which is good - but I've never done so many things myself in India - I had CA for finance - maids, drivers, well lets not get into that - then someone said its good to be self capable but why when we have options...
Some said we're consumer driven country not do savings like India.. I said - how do u manage to save like India here when our basics are so expensive. And if India is not a consumer country - then there is something wrong with Apple, Moto, HP, Dell, Toyota, etc. etc. all take Indian market into consideration before coming up with their next version/product....
Trust me - the way i am living n working here - If I wud have been same in India - i would have saved lot of money and would have grown personally & professionally as well. Imagine kinda efforts we put in for Documents-IELTS-PR-Packing n Moving-Job Hunting-House hunting-trying understand whole new world-etc.etc... I realize if i wud have put in these efforts in something else......
Sometimes I feel we had whole time in the world with friends and relatives everywhere in India...and I have wasted so much time by just going here n there in India and had fun entire day and laughed for 100 times a day...Whereas here - i lost my real laugh.....
I am here on this forum - because I wanted to know why am not able to enjoy my life here...Am i doing something wrong - or My salary is very low where I just meet my basics and save around $1K pm and I should not save that money as well and go on vacation or spend on something which might make us happy??...but then I will not have some emergency funds.... I donno if I should go back or not....please advise.....
Or, maybe this immigration is for the people who are not doing good in India or they don't like India....just a guess...
I have just one simple suggestion which is- WAIT AND GET YOUR CITIZENSHIP THEN GO BACK HOME! And I say this for so many reasons:
First and foremost, you will not have to keep coming back here to maintain your PR status.
In the instance you would like your kids to come back here for University studies, you would not have to worry about paying international tuition (if you lose your PR status while away).
It makes it easier knowing you can always come back in any day, any time without any hassles.
So maybe endure for a few more years while working towards your citizenship.
Goodluck in whatever decision you take
The grass is greener on the other side because there is always more sh*t there to make the grass flourish. OP has trouble to integrate with Canada because he already has everything he needs in India and gets used to its lifestyle, so if you want a greener grass, you need to step on more shit/fertilizer.
Immigrate to a new country half the world away is not an easy thing for many people. This is a typical example why a CEC applicant is always a better choice than an outland FSW.
Dear Sheena,
That post of yours had me reeling in because I am in (or could be) a similar situation in a few months time as I am still in the EE pool but not a day goes by when I am not confused regarding my future. I have lived abroad for around four years about ten years ago when I was a bachelor, so, I can relate to life in Canada to certain extent but I am sure life with kids is going to be very different. Also, I am a self employed person making close to $100k per year here in India so, I can understand some of the things you mentioned.
Furthermore, I believe that a lot of the EE applicants from India (the ones who are actually skilled enough to qualify) would find themselves in a similar mental space wherein they are not sure of whether to make a move or not. I am basing this assumption on the premise that I honestly believe that the majority of people who have a decent CRS score would not be doing too bad here in India themselves. Of course, there are always personal issues and factors that will affect somebody's decision whether to make a move or not,so, keeping them aside I would like to mention some of the broader issues that are bound to influence most people:
IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER
1. Public Health and Sanitation
There is not a single person that I know locally who doesn't personally knows somebody or the other who has had to suffer from serious ailments like Dengue, Chikungunya, Typhoid or some debilitating form of viral disease this year. Needless to say that this trend is on the rise year on year and it scares me to think what's going to happen in the coming years with the ever increasing population and the ever decreasing resources.
2. Seriously Flawed Healthcare System
I know people like you, me and most other qualifying candidates are privy to decent healthcare here in India but whether it is decent or indecent is a whole topic on its own. I would keep it short by mentioning that most private nursing homes and most privately practicing physicians have a direct personal interest in keeping their patients on a personal brand of antibiotics and other medication, ask a Medical Rep and you will be surprised. The rate at which we Indians are being fed antibiotics and needless other medication with ever increasing dosages, the day is not far, when we would have to take a pill with every meal we take.
3. Law and Order Situation
Again, this is a huge topic that may be further split into numerous categories. But, I would like to give my two cents by mentioning the following:
In a huge country of 1.3 billion people nearly 10-12 % people are unemployed/jobless/looking for jobs as we speak. So, that is approximately a 130 million perturbed minds. Add to it 10-12 million anxious minds that enter the job market every year and you are looking at a hugely unsettled society. Now, add to that hundreds of million of working people who are not so fortunate as you, me and most people capable of reading this post. Imagine yourself living with the kind of facilities you mentioned moving about in the same time and space surrounded by the millions of not so fortunate people. I believe myself to be a very reasonable person and so, by no means I am claiming that this not so fortunate section of society is responsible for any Law and Order problems, but, sticking with the same idea, I blame the system that has created so many classes with the ever increasing gaps amongst them. Therefore, one can't help but imagine that many of such people are easily exploited and manipulated and so it's going to be a huge task if not an impossible one to maintain any sort of order in the foreseeable future.
4. Regressive Political System and bureaucracy
This is the icing on the cake. Need I say more about this. If you are truly an Indian, you would know what I mean by this. Do you know anybody in India with a socioeconomic worth who has never had to pay a bribe to get things done. Sufficiently intelligent kids (means their Parents) have to pay bribes/donations to get an admission into a program which is usually 2nd or 3rd on their list of priorities because of the quota systems. The same thing is applicable for all sorts of Public Sector offerings/opportunities after 69 years of the so called 'independence'. The worst part of the equation is that I don't see any of this change during my lifetime or my kids lifetime for that matter.
I could go on but then I would lose the plot, so, I would stick to this for now.
So, although, it is rather apparent from your post that you have probably already made up your mind that you are going to move back to India and you were perhaps looking for people here on the forum to reinforce your views and decision, I still wanted to share my thoughts with you and others who are sailing in the same boat. I know this is a very tough decision, but if you think you didn't spend enough time in taking the first decision when you moved here to Canada, don't make the same error twice. Give this an honest try. This is such a big change and you cannot expect to fit right in. Of course, this is just an honest opinion and advice. You admit to be confused by this situation, the only way to be really sure is to give it some time and let the nature work its wonders and reveal the answer. Wishing you and all of us the best of luck!
sahil
That post of yours had me reeling in because I am in (or could be) a similar situation in a few months time as I am still in the EE pool but not a day goes by when I am not confused regarding my future. I have lived abroad for around four years about ten years ago when I was a bachelor, so, I can relate to life in Canada to certain extent but I am sure life with kids is going to be very different. Also, I am a self employed person making close to $100k per year here in India so, I can understand some of the things you mentioned.
Furthermore, I believe that a lot of the EE applicants from India (the ones who are actually skilled enough to qualify) would find themselves in a similar mental space wherein they are not sure of whether to make a move or not. I am basing this assumption on the premise that I honestly believe that the majority of people who have a decent CRS score would not be doing too bad here in India themselves. Of course, there are always personal issues and factors that will affect somebody's decision whether to make a move or not,so, keeping them aside I would like to mention some of the broader issues that are bound to influence most people:
IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER
1. Public Health and Sanitation
There is not a single person that I know locally who doesn't personally knows somebody or the other who has had to suffer from serious ailments like Dengue, Chikungunya, Typhoid or some debilitating form of viral disease this year. Needless to say that this trend is on the rise year on year and it scares me to think what's going to happen in the coming years with the ever increasing population and the ever decreasing resources.
2. Seriously Flawed Healthcare System
I know people like you, me and most other qualifying candidates are privy to decent healthcare here in India but whether it is decent or indecent is a whole topic on its own. I would keep it short by mentioning that most private nursing homes and most privately practicing physicians have a direct personal interest in keeping their patients on a personal brand of antibiotics and other medication, ask a Medical Rep and you will be surprised. The rate at which we Indians are being fed antibiotics and needless other medication with ever increasing dosages, the day is not far, when we would have to take a pill with every meal we take.
3. Law and Order Situation
Again, this is a huge topic that may be further split into numerous categories. But, I would like to give my two cents by mentioning the following:
In a huge country of 1.3 billion people nearly 10-12 % people are unemployed/jobless/looking for jobs as we speak. So, that is approximately a 130 million perturbed minds. Add to it 10-12 million anxious minds that enter the job market every year and you are looking at a hugely unsettled society. Now, add to that hundreds of million of working people who are not so fortunate as you, me and most people capable of reading this post. Imagine yourself living with the kind of facilities you mentioned moving about in the same time and space surrounded by the millions of not so fortunate people. I believe myself to be a very reasonable person and so, by no means I am claiming that this not so fortunate section of society is responsible for any Law and Order problems, but, sticking with the same idea, I blame the system that has created so many classes with the ever increasing gaps amongst them. Therefore, one can't help but imagine that many of such people are easily exploited and manipulated and so it's going to be a huge task if not an impossible one to maintain any sort of order in the foreseeable future.
4. Regressive Political System and bureaucracy
This is the icing on the cake. Need I say more about this. If you are truly an Indian, you would know what I mean by this. Do you know anybody in India with a socioeconomic worth who has never had to pay a bribe to get things done. Sufficiently intelligent kids (means their Parents) have to pay bribes/donations to get an admission into a program which is usually 2nd or 3rd on their list of priorities because of the quota systems. The same thing is applicable for all sorts of Public Sector offerings/opportunities after 69 years of the so called 'independence'. The worst part of the equation is that I don't see any of this change during my lifetime or my kids lifetime for that matter.
I could go on but then I would lose the plot, so, I would stick to this for now.
So, although, it is rather apparent from your post that you have probably already made up your mind that you are going to move back to India and you were perhaps looking for people here on the forum to reinforce your views and decision, I still wanted to share my thoughts with you and others who are sailing in the same boat. I know this is a very tough decision, but if you think you didn't spend enough time in taking the first decision when you moved here to Canada, don't make the same error twice. Give this an honest try. This is such a big change and you cannot expect to fit right in. Of course, this is just an honest opinion and advice. You admit to be confused by this situation, the only way to be really sure is to give it some time and let the nature work its wonders and reveal the answer. Wishing you and all of us the best of luck!
sahil
OP, when did you move to Canada? I mean the exact date of your move.
You need to give more time to understand true value of living in a developed country. I live in US, and trust me, people have felt the same way even after coming to US even after having way higher salary that what they were getting in India. I know someone who cried within first few weeks saying that she doesn't like US at all and wants to go back at any cost. Fast forward.. after one year, the same person never wants to go back to India even if you push her out the country.
What you are feeling now is the same feeling that one gets when something is new.. Have you seen kids crying that they won't leave a school and the neighborhood friends whenever a parent gets a transfer of work location? They won't like the new place, new school etc initially. But if you look after few months, the same kid will be very happy with the new school and environment, and they won't want to leave that. You are going through the same thing and you will be fine. Don't ever do the mistake of going back. You will repent it later for sure. Just hang on and try to establish yourself here for your and your kid's future. Your mind is just finding reasons to go back. Give it some time and the same mind will list you enough reasons to be Canada itself. Good luck.
The missing relatives part and the sense of loneliness will never ever go away as we have grown up in a completely different environment, but you will learn to deal with it over time. Except that everything else is way better in west. You haven't seen enough here to comment the standard of life is same. You will realize why this is better over time. I know plenty of people who moved back from US to India. They either want to come back or came back within a year or two. Some even earlier. You definitely need to give some time and should not decide anything now as your mind is seeking to go back a familiar zone with understanding what is what.
You need to give more time to understand true value of living in a developed country. I live in US, and trust me, people have felt the same way even after coming to US even after having way higher salary that what they were getting in India. I know someone who cried within first few weeks saying that she doesn't like US at all and wants to go back at any cost. Fast forward.. after one year, the same person never wants to go back to India even if you push her out the country.
What you are feeling now is the same feeling that one gets when something is new.. Have you seen kids crying that they won't leave a school and the neighborhood friends whenever a parent gets a transfer of work location? They won't like the new place, new school etc initially. But if you look after few months, the same kid will be very happy with the new school and environment, and they won't want to leave that. You are going through the same thing and you will be fine. Don't ever do the mistake of going back. You will repent it later for sure. Just hang on and try to establish yourself here for your and your kid's future. Your mind is just finding reasons to go back. Give it some time and the same mind will list you enough reasons to be Canada itself. Good luck.
The missing relatives part and the sense of loneliness will never ever go away as we have grown up in a completely different environment, but you will learn to deal with it over time. Except that everything else is way better in west. You haven't seen enough here to comment the standard of life is same. You will realize why this is better over time. I know plenty of people who moved back from US to India. They either want to come back or came back within a year or two. Some even earlier. You definitely need to give some time and should not decide anything now as your mind is seeking to go back a familiar zone with understanding what is what.