step mother- family sponsorship

[shaikat]

Hello... I have a quick question for you all to see if anyone have real life experience or can advise me.

I would like to sponsor my father but not my step mom. My father got re-married after my mother passed away few years back. My question is that if it is possible? Do I have to calculate family size for sponsorship including step mom ? On a side note "a step mom can also be sponsored under regulations"?

Thanks !

 

[scylla]

You have to calculate the family size including your step-mother. In order for your father's file to be approved, your step-mother will have to be included in the application as a non-accompanying family member. She will also have to pass the medical and supply police certificates to pass the security/background check.

 

[PMM]

Hi

You have to calculate the family size including your step-mother. In order for your father's file to be approved, your step-mother will have to be included in the application as a non-accompanying family member. She will also have to pass the medical and supply police certificates to pass the security/background check.

The OP might want to talk to his father to see if he agrees with his wife with not coming!

 

[screech339]

CIC may get suspicious if the father came to Canada and not his second wife? I don't have a lot of experience regarding parental sponsorship but I haven't heard of any cases whereby the father comes to Canada leaving his wife behind? This may not fly with CIC. CIC would likely see this as a matter of convenient of immigration purposes. CIC may say this "either both the father and step mother comes to Canada or both stay in their respective country".

Screech339

 

[Alurra71]

It kind of sounds to me as if the OP just doesn't like the idea that his/her father remarried after the passing of his/her mother. Kind of a "I want my Dad to come but he can leave his new wife behind" type of a thing. I don't think the father in this case has any idea of what the child is thinking about and I'm more likely to believe that if the father did know that he would not agree to leave his bride behind.

Of course, I have also been known to ascribe common sense and logic in places where it surely won't be used *whispers something about CIC in general under her breath*

Either way, I am not sure that CIC would look at this as strange that dad did not bring his wife, but I do know that his wife MUST be listed in the application and accounted for even if she is not coming.

 

[screech339]

Either way, I am not sure that CIC would look at this as strange that dad did not bring his wife, but I do know that his wife MUST be listed in the application and accounted for even if she is not coming.

I agree that the wife must be listed on the application, whether she is accompanying him or not. Listing dependents as non-accompanying is a common occurrence usually due to parents being divorced or separated. However listing the wife as non-accompanying would definitely raise a big red flag with CIC. This would, to only make sense, if the father and stepmother are actually divorced. From what I can tell from OP's posting, they are not.

Screech339

 

[shaikat]

oh my God...lol....I don't hate my step-mom.....I should have been more clear....sorry about that....the reason is that she does not want to immigrate in Canada as she is currently working.....where my father is a frequent visitor in Canada on a tourist visa so I was wondering getting him a PR as his wife has no intension of immigrating here.....it gets complicated when someone just don't want to move here....I am not trying to falsified anything with CIC......I have enough income for last 5 years to sponsor both...I am just trying to see if there is any option legally.

 

[screech339]

oh my God...lol....I don't hate my step-mom.....I should have been more clear....sorry about that....the reason is that she does not want to immigrate in Canada as she is currently working.....where my father is a frequent visitor in Canada on a tourist visa so I was wondering getting him a PR as his wife has no intension of immigrating here.....it gets complicated when someone just don't want to move here....I am not trying to falsified anything with CIC......I have enough income for last 5 years to sponsor both...I am just trying to see if there is any option legally.

Glad to know you do not hate your step mother. I never implied that on my part. However due to it unusual request that the wife be the non-accompanying spouse to Canada, it would be very unusual request thus can raise a red flag.

That said, due to the timing of parent sponsorship, your father may have to wait a few years before being able to land as PR. It is possible that your step mother may want to move to Canada by then? Would it make sense to have her listed as accompanying the father. Keep in mind, when calculating LICO requirement, the step mother would have to be included in the calculation. You cannot exclude her from the equation, even if she doesn't want to move to Canada.

Screech339

 

[Alurra71]

oh my God...lol....I don't hate my step-mom.....I should have been more clear....sorry about that....the reason is that she does not want to immigrate in Canada as she is currently working.....where my father is a frequent visitor in Canada on a tourist visa so I was wondering getting him a PR as his wife has no intension of immigrating here.....it gets complicated when someone just don't want to move here....I am not trying to falsified anything with CIC......I have enough income for last 5 years to sponsor both...I am just trying to see if there is any option legally.

You can send an application to sponsor them both with step mother non accompanying, however, keep in mind that if you sponsor your dad to become a PR of Canada he would need to meet the RO requirements like any other PR. Wouldn't a super visa be a more viable option at least until your step mom was retired and ready to join him?

 

[screech339]

Wouldn't listing the step-mother as an non-accompanying spouse create a loophole whereby the sponsor does not have to worry about supporting the step-mother and the father only have to support his wife for 3 years as compared to the new 20 year requirement?

This is the loophole I was wondering about. Who is to say that the father may turn around and start sponsoring his new wife (step mother) and thus only need to support her for 3 years as compared to the sponsor suppose to be supporting the step mother for 20 years.

Screech339

 

[Alurra71]

Wouldn't listing the step-mother as an non-accompanying spouse create a loophole whereby the sponsor does not have to worry about supporting the step-mother and the father only have to support his wife for 3 years as compared to the new 20 year requirement?

This is the loophole I was wondering about. Who is to say that the father may turn around and start sponsoring his new wife (step mother) and thus only need to support her for 3 years as compared to the sponsor suppose to be supporting the step mother for 20 years.

Screech339

Well, the child would STILL be responsible for the father for 20 years regardless of whether or not he was responsible for the step mother. I would think they would see this if after the step mother got here and they tried to get welfare and such since she would need to list her spouse as a household member and then they would see that the OP if financially responsible for the father ...

Screech, I just confused myself with that answer, did you understand what I meant? LOL

 

[screech339]

Well, the child would STILL be responsible for the father for 20 years regardless of whether or not he was responsible for the step mother. I would think they would see this if after the step mother got here and they tried to get welfare and such since she would need to list her spouse as a household member and then they would see that the OP if financially responsible for the father ...

Screech, I just confused myself with that answer, did you understand what I meant? LOL

I see what you are getting at. The big issue is that the applicant would not be responsible for the step mother after 3 years as the father's financial requirement as compared 20 years. The child would only have to worry about 3 year requirement for the step mother instead of 20 years.

In theory the father is no longer financially responsible for his wife after 3 years despite being held responsible for 20 years by child.

The government will no longer have to go after the father for welfare payments after step mother stay in Canada for 3 years despite listing the father as the spouse. Thus the child is no longer responsible for step mother after 3 years instead of 20.

That is the loophole I am referring to. The applicant being able to avoid the 20 year obligation to one of the parents. Don't think CIC will allow this to happen.

No difference from a loophole whereby an applicant can sponsor one parent only while the other is very sick. The one parent can then turn around and sponsor the sick spouse and thus bypass the excessive medical support that would have denied them if both parents immigrated together.

The only difference between the two is the financial obligation on the child to support 20 years instead of 3 years.

Screech339

 

[shaikat]

ok....where is the welfare is coming from? also do I have to list and count head of my brother as well? as he is dependent of my father? he is studying in Europe....its getting more confusing....but good discussion.... ???

 

[screech339]

ok....where is the welfare is coming from? also do I have to list and count head of my brother as well? as he is dependent of my father? he is studying in Europe....its getting more confusing....but good discussion.... ???

Welfare or social assistance is money given to anyone by government needing it to pay for living expenses in Canada.

A person can apply for welfare or social assistance to pay for living expenses when one person doesn't have any form of income to support themselves to pay for expenses.

If your father decided to collect social assistance, the government can go after you to pay back all money collected by your father for social assistance. This is why I think CIC may not allow you to do this as you would be skipping out of 20 year obligation for your step mother.

Your brother can be listed as a dependent of your father as long as he continued his education non-stop if he is 22 years or older. If your brother does not want to be PR of Canada, then you don't need to list him as dependent.

Screech339

 

[shaikat]

screech u mean 22 years or younger? or older? he is 23....so I can skip his head count for my income calculation?