STAMPS ON PP FOR REFUSALS

[juwonie]

In
as much as your passport is E-Passport, it is necessary to declare it.
Your E-Passport allows coded messages to be written on pages of your
passport which are not visible to naked eyes. Once your passport is
being passed through a special light, the unseen/coded messages will be
revealed.


Years back I applied for US visitor visa, I noticed that the VO passed
my passport through a special light while talking to me. The refusal was
not wtitten there but I knew they would have the record.
This year I applied for SP to Canada, and I did mentioned the refusal
coupled with the letter handed to me then. The VO that presided my SP
application saw it and was pleased, had it been that I did not disclose
it, it would have damaged the credibility of my application.
So declare it cuz is not the end of life.

 

[Nirru]

Thanks for your info. But my friend is worried that it won't effect his application. As many experts told him that these info is not shared among countries. It is kept confidential. They cannot share it without our consent. Yes info about criminality and other security related info may be shared. That is why m asking ppl to PLEASE share their experience if they done so. My friend is regretting now why he applied for Canada visitor visa. His bro is in Canada. VO refused him coz of family ties. Although he had gud family history

 

[Nirru]

Sorry I mean gud travel history

 

[Hopefulagain]

Hey Enfield , how are you doing bro . good to see your comment , buddy mine visa refused 4 times but with no stamp , i am now gonna apply for NZ many agents have told me that if there is no stamp on refusal you dont need to mention in NZ embassy regarding previous refusals , Buddy if there is no stamp on pp than why would NZ embassy would cross check from canada embassy , if they do this way for each and every applicant this would be a great time waste for them , i think so , i am not sure do they have common database where if they put my pp number in database it would give details regarding my previous refusals from cnanada......

WOW!

This is the height of illogic. So, according to you (and some of the others), if the commission has refused your visa application, they are just going to delete your file and have no record on their system as to why was it refused? That is the premise of your argument?

Your 2nd argument is that if they had to cross check based on passport number then it would be a waste of time. First of all, they would NEVER cross check based on passport number (you do know that for an average person passports change every 5-10 years, depending on the country of issue?). The checks are made based on full name (last, middle and first). That is the reason why some people who have common names with unwanted elements are asked to submit their fingerprints during visa application and that is the reason why for some people it takes longer for application processing than others.

It is clear that your agent is trying to fleece you and, that is why common sense is a major requirement for an applicant while applying for visas. As a human being you have the ability to question that whats not logical. Use that ability.

 

[Nirru]

Hopefulagain. We are not saying that embassy is gonna delete our file. They will always keep a record. We are jus saying they don't share with other embassies. The information provided to them is confidential. Yes against criminal record and other security related things. Information may be declared. As data protection act is opted by the countries. This is what I heard till now from agents.

 

[Nirru]

Some1 please HELP!! Please share your knowledge and experience.

 

[sabby2612]

Your query is all wrong. U r asking to confirm misrepresentation. If the candidate has credibility and his over all application is good enough, he should apply for visa with all true info. Why r u so particular abt nt telling them the truth?

 

[Nirru]

I agree wd u.. Evry1 shud apply with true info. There is no harm in that

 

[Nirru]

But we only want to kno. Previous refusals won't complicate the case this time

 

[Hopefulagain]

Hopefulagain. We are not saying that embassy is gonna delete our file. They will always keep a record. We are jus saying they don't share with other embassies. The information provided to them is confidential. Yes against criminal record and other security related things. Information may be declared. As data protection act is opted by the countries. This is what I heard till now from agents.

Hi Nirru

Pls open IMM1294E and read what it says under "signature" on page 4 - that you give the consent to Canadian Government to retrieve your records from ANY government authority etc etc. I am sure that when you sign the form for another country, you are providing them the same consent.

The, please go on to read the disclosure, wherein it says that the information you have provided may be shared with other foreign governments etc etc etc.

So you see, they can share if the foreign government requests it.

Now, if you want to lie on your application, that is your prerogative but call it what you want to, it is still lying. The question is not whether you get caught or not, it is about how honest you are with a simple process.

Nobody knows why you were rejected before. What you might consider an invalid rejection might be a valid one. But if you were rejected because of lack of funds, marks in school and/or family ties, then all those issues can be sorted out and you can reapply. Rejection for these reasons usually do not constitute refusal from other countries - if u r able to convince their VOs.

However, you lie on your application form and that gets caught - well, thats a sure shot way of being labelled as intentional misrepresentation and a one way ticket to never be able to apply again. The decision is yours and yours alone - not mine, not others in this forum and DEFINITELY not your consultant's - for we are not the ones that will bear the consequences but you will.

You want us to clarify whether governments exchange info.......for if they do, then and then only would you consider telling them the truth. Isnt that kind of sad that you only want to tell the truth when you dont have a choice. Why should you even consider lying? That should NEVER have been an option. If my consultant had told me that its okay to lie................I would have run in the opposite direction, FAST.

 

[Nirru]

My friend do not want to take a chance. He really want to go wd his spouse. Every1 is sayin that these info is not shared. This is under data protection act. Can you guys please tell me what is data protection act? He jus doesn't want a chance. Regretting afterwards doesn't make ny sense. He want to go to UK on visitor visa. He already been thrice there. But refused Canada visitor visa twice recently coz of family ties/purpose of visit. Will this thing effect on his application this time?

 

[Hopefulagain]

My friend do not want to take a chance. He really want to go wd his spouse. Every1 is sayin that these info is not shared. This is under data protection act. Can you guys please tell me what is data protection act? He jus doesn't want a chance. Regretting afterwards doesn't make ny sense. He want to go to UK on visitor visa. He already been thrice there. But refused Canada visitor visa twice recently coz of family ties/purpose of visit. Will this thing effect on his application this time?

Nirru....you are wrong when you say that every1 says that info is not shared because everyone is not saying that. And the fact is that NOBODY knows. Unless you know someone who has been a VO, everybody is just giving you educated guesses.

Your friend doesnt want to hear the truth, he only wants to hear what suits him. Lying on an application should not be an option. PERIOD. You keep asking the same question differently and hope that someone will give you an answer you want to hear.

Moreover, if his brother is in Canada and all he wanted to do was visit, they would not have refused him a visitor visa based on family ties - there is more to that story (but that is none of my business).

And NOBODY can also tell you with 100% confidence that the UK border security will or will not look at your friend's records from Canadian border security. As far as your consent is required.....sorry, but you have already consented to share ALL your info with any government when you sign the visa application form.

 

[on-hold]

OK, this is bizarre. On one hand, you could do this:

Tell the truth because it won't affect your application.

OR . . .

Try to figure out what complex protocols control information sharing between countries, what might be written in secret on your passport, and whether or not all of the English-speaking countries share data (guess what -- they all get along together pretty well), and whether or not your file has been 'created' or 'destroyed', all so that you can tell a lie about a section of the application that is of the LEAST importance but will still get you barred for mis-representation or worse.

I think you should lie!

 

[singhjk911]

passport stamps are history...no embassy puts on stamps over passport..If it was so easy then one could easily lose a passport and get issued a new one...
Also if you have ever reapplied your passport , the previous passport number is linked..
And also whenever a passport enters into an embassy it is marked ...and the information is entered into their database..i remember when I was refused a us visa they even put on a bar code over passport..

If they did not have any facility or procedure to find out the refusal from other country? why would they even bother putting on a column that reads

"HAVE YOU EVER BEEN REFUSED A VISA TO CANADA OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY?"

They will surely know if you lie..and then that is going to be the reason for your future rejection and based on misinterpretation you are risking a permanent ban to the country for atleast 2 years.

 

[on-hold]

Nirru is probably right. Why would Canada and the United Kingdom share information? It's not like they have any shared history, similar cultures, related legal institutions, close ties, a common language, or the same Queen.

This thread is not about visa refusal -- it's about whether lies in other, more important areas of the application will be discovered; probably he is planning to put down different information from his Canadian visa application, and wants to know if it will be cross-referenced.