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Kaibigan

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To be honest, chances of denial are very high in general. If she has no assets in her name, no travel history to show, etc…it will probably be denied. They will assume chances of her leaving after visiting to be zero to none. Maybe if you had applied for a visa in compassionate grounds when you had your injury it may have been 50-50…but even then…
Well, that's what I would think also. It would appear that what is being sought is tantamount to an accelerated PR application on compassionate grounds. Does such a thing exist?

The OP says he needs someone to help with kids. I might ask, how old are the kids and for how long have you managed on your own sans spouse? Why can't you manage on your own? Can you not hire help with kids? Canada has legions of single parents who seem to cope on their own. Is this a special case?

As for the injury, just how grave was the injury and how far off 100% recovered are we? I would think a medical opinion would be required, saying the OP is a basket case and needs a live-in caregiver. Again, can one be found in Canada?

To me, the whole thing looks like an application for something very different in nature from a TRV. The plain intent appears to be that it won't be temporary at all. I would have viewed that matter as about as hopeless as one can get. However, I must temper that view in light of the fact that two of the most learned and experienced members here - @scylla and @armoured - have apparently seen some prospect of the application being dragged across the finish line.

I would hope that, in the fullness of time, the OP comes back with a full report.
 
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armoured

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Well, that's what I would think also. It would appear that what is being sought is tantamount to an accelerated PR application on compassionate grounds. Does such a thing exist?
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To me, the whole thing looks like an application for something very different in nature from a TRV. The plain intent appears to be that it won't be temporary at all.
I think conceptually there are of course several different 'grounds' or categories, which may not be explicitly stated as such, or formally exist, but clearly on some level are in practice there. Also note: they overlap between each other substantially, the dividing lines are not always so clear.

And my intuition is that the policymakers at IRCC do not want to formalise this, particularly the category I'm not naming but basically what is referred to rhetorically by government as 'family reunification.'

Most obviously category is: ETA/existing TRV holders (plus US citizens who aren't formally ETA but let's group 'em in with the ETAers). They're let in and as long as they're not too obvious about intent to stay forever like showing up with all their belongings. Roughly, IRCC already believes they're not a 'risk'. (I'd simplify and say 'risk' here not just of overstaying but also of being something akin to public charge or nuisance.) Also probably roughly: mostly from wealthy countries or to the wealthy end of other countries, or having many of the social characteristics thereof.

I said 'existing' because those who apply when married might qualify just as before, and others might find the 'visiting my spouse' box puts them in the 'doubt' category that gets them rejected. This doesn't seem obvious to many. LIkely a large proportion of these decisions are done by algorithm, and only cursory review by a human. (Those humans might override, but they don't like to do it too often).

What's also unclear is what might get a 'no decision, refer to human' from the algorithm (or even if this exists, or if all are rejections subject to review, and some get review). I'm just guessing at how their process works.

Then there's what I called family reunification. They've never made the criteria for this perfectly clear. It varies with political winds. It gets caught up in headlines, and also 'waves' of fraudulent intent (when IRCC notices patterns that are fraudulent, and if you happen to fit that profile, you have close to zero chance.)

Roughly, it's going to mean 'clearly bona fide relationships where the way the decision goes is obvious' (and there are no other significant bars like criminality or security). In simple terms, to extent it 'exists', we can infer they do give some TRVs - at some point indeterminate to outsiders - on basis that all looks in order and no issues. One of those points appears to be after AOR - at which point we know from gcms an initial summary review has been done, and one of the things that comes out of that is eg interview recommended/not required. But not only that.

On some level IRCC wants to support 'family reunification' or 'FR.' Politicans are always going to say FR is good, but avoid being nailed down (or the senior bureaucrats will have to walk it back later). Because it's hard work and they don't want to let the criteria be known, because (they believe) it will be abused by malicious actors (and to some degree it's probably true). My guess is how strictly applied or pushed for is going to depend a fair bit on somewhat-random things like personnel (senior program managers and the like within IRCC) and other factors.

Within this: there are going to be holds and no-gos for things like criminality and security flags, etc. You can guess the way this goes: as each additional 'sign-off from so-and-so needed' is added, the filter/funnel gets narrower and narrower, and so FR still not 'fixed.'

Because it can't be 'fixed' - to some degree FR is and will always be at odds with (what IRCC sees as) essential, controlling/keeping out potential risks with imperfect/unavailable information. (The old decision making with imperfect information).

They can work to improve it - name some criteria like number of FR TRVs granted, speed, etc - but at expense of other things.

So in the end: for the applicant, apply for TRV, it might help just aftr AOR, but it's still going to be somewhat random.
 
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porkfloss

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If the PA is pregnant before body check (outland), the whole application will be on hold since she is unable to perform the body check, is that correct?
 

PRANIT01

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Hi I have a question on my wife's application.
Regarding the proof of our relationship which includes chat that we did.we did in our mother tounge ,but cic says the applicant should use a translator.
Is it okay that I translate myself and use a notary to certify it that I did the right translation or is it necessary that I have a certified translation.
Similarly national identity document isn't that passport.
 

armoured

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Hi I have a question on my wife's application.
Regarding the proof of our relationship which includes chat that we did.we did in our mother tounge ,but cic says the applicant should use a translator.
Is it okay that I translate myself and use a notary to certify it that I did the right translation or is it necessary that I have a certified translation.
Translation by a translator, accredited to and/or certified according to applicable national standards = certified translation.

"Notary certifying you did it right" is not a thing.

Similarly national identity document isn't that passport.
What?
 

Xilikon

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If the PA is pregnant before body check (outland), the whole application will be on hold since she is unable to perform the body check, is that correct?
Medical Examen include x-ray and this is what prevents pregnant ladies from completing the examen. It will have to wait until it is born to do the x-ray and complete the examen.
 

PRANIT01

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Translation by a translator, accredited to and/or certified according to applicable national standards = certified translation.

"Notary certifying you did it right" is not a thing.



What?
Thank you that means I have to find a certified translator to translate.
one more question there is a line in the application form that I should electronically sign ,should not print and upload
but the form IMM5532 required hand signature ,that I assume I should print and sign it isnt it?

There is a column called national identity document expiry date ,The national Identity document of india dont have an expiry date ,so is it okay to upload passport
"Notary certifying you did it right" is not a thing.-I am sorry I didnt get you
 

porkfloss

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Medical Examen include x-ray and this is what prevents pregnant ladies from completing the examen. It will have to wait until it is born to do the x-ray and complete the examen.
So the entire application will be on hold until she give birth and complete the x ray right?
 

armoured

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Thank you that means I have to find a certified translator to translate.
one more question there is a line in the application form that I should electronically sign ,should not print and upload
but the form IMM5532 required hand signature ,that I assume I should print and sign it isnt it?

There is a column called national identity document expiry date ,The national Identity document of india dont have an expiry date ,so is it okay to upload passport
I can't keep track of which forms take what form of signature. Personally I'd say if in doubt, print sign and scan.

National identity date: just put no identity date or not applicable, if not possible, put some date 50 yrs into future.

"Notary certifying you did it right" is not a thing.-I am sorry I didnt get you
"Notary certifying you did a translation right" is not a thing that notaries do. If they offer to, IRCC won't accept.
 

JaySrini

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Hello all, I will soon be applying PR for my wife and I was wondering, What the options for me are if we do not have Whatsapp Chats for proof of contact. (Since we primarily use Snapchat, where messages are not saved). Please advise. Thanks in advance.

PS: We do have a bunch of Old photos, Some emails, A video of our engagement on youtube which is an year old by now.
 

armoured

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So the entire application will be on hold until she give birth and complete the x ray right?
That's not entirely true - they can and will continue with other parts of the application, background checks, security, criminality, etc. Probably / possibly the officer will even make a preliminary evaluation and maybe even decide/write the main parts of the decision. Likely also at some point will assign a 'bring forward' date if the expected timing of the medical (after birth that is) is known, although probably will just wait for the parents to amend the application to include the newborn.

More realistically - that will take time because parents will need to get the docs - birth certificate, passport, etc - and that will be as or more substantial a delay than the medical.
 
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anandsin

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I got married during PR application and raise a web form for same.

I have received request to add my spouse to my application during my PR process. But in IRCC portal i did not see where i can upload marriage certificate.

Also, there is line that asks for "statutory declaration of common-law union - IMM 5409".

I am married since last year. So, should I just upload the marriage certificate under the above line or should I raise a webform to change the upload option to marriage certificate?
 

PRANIT01

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Thank you @armoured ,Another question I have is regarding travel history ,I was living in US for the past 5 yrs in between that I have travelled outside US ,Do I have to include my stay time in USA as also a travel ,because when I look from the perspective of national orgin wont that be counted as travel ?
I did my higher studies and worked in US will those period be also considered as travel ?