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Spousal Sponsorship refusal appeal

mnawaz

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Feb 5, 2017
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Hello,

My wife and I were married in the UAE in December 2015. Prior to that, in November 2015, she had visited Canada for her first landing, stayed for about a month and returned for our wedding.

Following that, in May 2016, she visited again, this time with her PR card with her, to stay and also to file for Spousal Sponsorship, since I was in Pakistan. We submitted all the relevant documents, and the sponsorship application was accepted, and the process began in August 2016. My wife and I had decided that once the PR process is complete and I receiving the landing papers, we will come back to Canada for good, and make it our home.

Since we didn't know how long the process would take, we also considered that she would return to Canada in January, soon after our first wedding anniversary in December 2016. Once there, she would stay permanently, and look for a job and apply for a driver's license, and wait till I get my papers and I could move to Canada permanently.

What we didn’t know (we were not told by the lawyer) was that it is required by law to be living in Canada while the application is under process, and now on this basis, we received an objection letter in November 2016 which mentioned:
  • That to file for sponsorship while being a permanent resident, she needs to be in Canada
  • Insufficient proof of marriage etc

On receiving this notice in mid-November, we expedited and she reached Canada on December 5, 2016. On reaching, our consultants expedited to prepare and file the complete evidence that they required, along with letters from me, my wife, and a separate letter to strengthen our case by the lawyer as well.

Last week we received a decision that although I had qualified as a spouse for sponsorship, she did not, because she had not stayed in Canada during the process of the sponsorship application. The main reason being that since we didn't want to live separately for too long, given our first year together, and also due to family pressures to be there with my parents, since we are from Pakistan. Further, our lawyer / consultant also did not mention that she would need to be there till the process is completed.

We recently also sent in a request for reconsideration, but it was turned down. Our main issue is that neither can we live separately, and nor can I apply at this point because the matter is currently in process, and it may jeopardize our application process. She is living in Toronto alone, and I am here in Pakistan without her, which doesn't work for us. We are holding on for our future together in our new home, Canada.

I reviewed the law again, and it does state that being a permanent resident she would need to be resident in Canada through the process duration. However, if she did, she would have spent less than 6 months with me, while being married, which is also in contradiction to another rule that suggests that spouses need to be cohabiting for at least a year.

Should we go for an appeal, what do you folks believe would be our chances to resume the application process? Do you think there is grounds for reconsideration, and if so how should we go about managing the situation? What should we be kept in consideration when filing for the appeal, and how long would it take to be called for the ADR or the IAD?

Would really appreciate your feedback and advise so that we can proceed as needed, with confidence.

Thank you.
 

simpsol22

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Feb 11, 2015
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Unfortunately you cannot appeal an refusal on an inland application. Regardless if your lawyer stated it or not, it's all over IRCCs website that you must be living in canada with your spouse to apply inland and that if you want to leave Canada you should withdraw your app and apply outland.

Your only option is to reapply. And make sure to prepare better evidence to prove your marriage.
 

Rob_TO

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mnawaz said:
Should we go for an appeal, what do you folks believe would be our chances to resume the application process? Do you think there is grounds for reconsideration, and if so how should we go about managing the situation? What should we be kept in consideration when filing for the appeal, and how long would it take to be called for the ADR or the IAD?
If she is a PR then yes, she MUST be living in Canada for duration of processing. If she wasn't then CIC correctly refused your app. If you appealed, it would probably have close to zero chance of success since she obviously wasn't following the requirements to be a sponsor.

You should accept the rejection, and apply again from scratch. This time make sure she's living in Canada for entire duration of process. Short/temporary trips outside Canada are allowed.

If married, there is no requirement to live together for 1 year. That is only for common-law. If they doubt the relationship, she can live with you longer in home country and then return to Canada to apply. Just don't live together outside Canada while the app is processing.
 

Rob_TO

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Nov 7, 2012
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Seoul, Korea
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AOR Received.
18-08-2012
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Med's Done....
Sent with App
Passport Req..
N/R - Exempt
VISA ISSUED...
30-10-2012
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16-11-2012
simpsol22 said:
Unfortunately you cannot appeal an refusal on an inland application.

Pretty sure it was an outland application.
 

mnawaz

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Feb 5, 2017
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In our case it was an inland application. My wife is a permanent resident by status and was in the country at the time of filing the sponsorship application.
 

Hasan9999

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Sep 28, 2013
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mnawaz said:
Hello,

My wife and I were married in the UAE in December 2015. Prior to that, in November 2015, she had visited Canada for her first landing, stayed for about a month and returned for our wedding.

Following that, in May 2016, she visited again, this time with her PR card with her, to stay and also to file for Spousal Sponsorship, since I was in Pakistan. We submitted all the relevant documents, and the sponsorship application was accepted, and the process began in August 2016. My wife and I had decided that once the PR process is complete and I receiving the landing papers, we will come back to Canada for good, and make it our home.

Since we didn't know how long the process would take, we also considered that she would return to Canada in January, soon after our first wedding anniversary in December 2016. Once there, she would stay permanently, and look for a job and apply for a driver's license, and wait till I get my papers and I could move to Canada permanently.

What we didn’t know (we were not told by the lawyer) was that it is required by law to be living in Canada while the application is under process, and now on this basis, we received an objection letter in November 2016 which mentioned:
  • That to file for sponsorship while being a permanent resident, she needs to be in Canada
  • Insufficient proof of marriage etc

On receiving this notice in mid-November, we expedited and she reached Canada on December 5, 2016. On reaching, our consultants expedited to prepare and file the complete evidence that they required, along with letters from me, my wife, and a separate letter to strengthen our case by the lawyer as well.

Last week we received a decision that although I had qualified as a spouse for sponsorship, she did not, because she had not stayed in Canada during the process of the sponsorship application. The main reason being that since we didn't want to live separately for too long, given our first year together, and also due to family pressures to be there with my parents, since we are from Pakistan. Further, our lawyer / consultant also did not mention that she would need to be there till the process is completed.

We recently also sent in a request for reconsideration, but it was turned down. Our main issue is that neither can we live separately, and nor can I apply at this point because the matter is currently in process, and it may jeopardize our application process. She is living in Toronto alone, and I am here in Pakistan without her, which doesn't work for us. We are holding on for our future together in our new home, Canada.

I reviewed the law again, and it does state that being a permanent resident she would need to be resident in Canada through the process duration. However, if she did, she would have spent less than 6 months with me, while being married, which is also in contradiction to another rule that suggests that spouses need to be cohabiting for at least a year.

Should we go for an appeal, what do you folks believe would be our chances to resume the application process? Do you think there is grounds for reconsideration, and if so how should we go about managing the situation? What should we be kept in consideration when filing for the appeal, and how long would it take to be called for the ADR or the IAD?

Would really appreciate your feedback and advise so that we can proceed as needed, with confidence.

Thank you.
Let her apply again and this time she should live in Canada during the entire process. She can however visit you for a short duration. Continuous cohabitation for one year is applicable for common laws, not for you.

Main point is please send enough relationship proofs this time.

If you wanna kill time and drain out money, you can recourse to appeal process but there will be absolutely zero chance of success.

Hasan
 

simpsol22

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Feb 11, 2015
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South Surrey, BC
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Landing: Surrey
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
01-12-2015
Doc's Request.
17-06-2016
AOR Received.
21-01-2016
Med's Done....
04-06-2016
LANDED..........
13-02-2017
mnawaz said:
In our case it was an inland application. My wife is a permanent resident by status and was in the country at the time of filing the sponsorship application.
For inland apps you must both be in canada during the processing of the app....not just when you submit. If you are not living in canada....the application needs be filed as outland.
 

Pitt1234

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Sep 28, 2016
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In that case, you too should have been staying in Canada (along with your sponsoring wife who is a PR). Inland applicants are not allowed to travel out of Canada during the application process.

Can your wife apply for citizenship of Canada? If yes, why doesn't she do that? If she is a citizen she won't have the requirement to be present in Canada while the application is pending. Alternatively, you could move to Canada and file an inland application again.

Sorry, an appeal would not succeed in your case, so I would suggest to stop wasting money and time on that. If you can, reapply outland.


mnawaz said:
In our case it was an inland application.
 

Rob_TO

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Nov 7, 2012
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Med's Done....
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N/R - Exempt
VISA ISSUED...
30-10-2012
LANDED..........
16-11-2012
mnawaz said:
In our case it was an inland application. My wife is a permanent resident by status and was in the country at the time of filing the sponsorship application.
Why on earth would you have applied inland if you weren't even living in Canada?? The main criteria of inland all over the instruction guide, is that both applicant and sponsor are living together INSIDE Canada. If any lawyer told you this was ok, he/she was a complete idiot and has no clue about Canada's immigration process.

As mentioned above, there is no appeal rights anyways with an inland app. So don't even consider it.

Re-apply again as an OUTLAND application, and this time she should live in Canada while the app is processing. Yes it may be hard to live apart, but many other couples do it.
 

mnawaz

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Feb 5, 2017
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Hi Rob,
My apologies. You're right, this was an Outland application as my wife was in Canada when she applied to sponsor me. However, we were not guided that to ensure that this goes smoothly she would have to stay there till the process is completed.

Have a question though. Do you think she can apply for my visit visa while in Canada? Does this help us in living in Canada and then reapply for permanent residence sponsorship. Or can I apply for an Open Work Permit at the same time as reapplying for spouse sponsorship in the near future? Basically we don't want to live separately for too long, and if there's a way that I can get a visa to be in Canada along with her for the duration of the spouse sponsorship process, and then continue to live there once the permanent residence is granted, that would may be a better option to consider.
 

Rob_TO

VIP Member
Nov 7, 2012
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Toronto
Category........
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Visa Office......
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App. Filed.......
13-07-2012
AOR Received.
18-08-2012
File Transfer...
21-08-2012
Med's Done....
Sent with App
Passport Req..
N/R - Exempt
VISA ISSUED...
30-10-2012
LANDED..........
16-11-2012
mnawaz said:
Hi Rob,
My apologies. You're right, this was an Outland application as my wife was in Canada when she applied to sponsor me. However, we were not guided that to ensure that this goes smoothly she would have to stay there till the process is completed.

Have a question though. Do you think she can apply for my visit visa while in Canada? Does this help us in living in Canada and then reapply for permanent residence sponsorship. Or can I apply for an Open Work Permit at the same time as reapplying for spouse sponsorship in the near future? Basically we don't want to live separately for too long, and if there's a way that I can get a visa to be in Canada along with her for the duration of the spouse sponsorship process, and then continue to live there once the permanent residence is granted, that would may be a better option to consider.
There are basically only 2 options you can consider.

1. Apply for TRV, and if it's accepted you can then come to Canada as a visitor, apply INLAND for PR, as well as for an Open Work Permit. You can also then stay and live/work in Canada during the entire duration of your PR processing.

2. If the TRV is refused, your wife must return to Canada for you to submit an OUTLAND application. This means she will need to live in Canada, and you in your home country. She can leave for short/temporary vacations to visit you, but shouldn't stay outside the country for too long (so limit trips to maximum 3-4 weeks and then return back to Canada).

To get a TRV approved you'll need to show strong ties to your home country (like ties to a job, home, etc) and would help to have some history of international travel to other countries where you didn't overstay your visas. Unfortunately in typical cases like yours, chances of TRV refusal is high. But it doesn't hurt to try.
 

avatarkyoshi

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I'm sorry for your situation. Here's my two cents:

-You should not trust a lawyer or third party without doing your own research first. Even if a lawyer is helping you fill forms, you should read everything yourself first so you don't get screwed over again.

-At this point, your best bet is to reapply from the beginning while your wife lives in Canada (you should also get your money back from the previous lawyer who messed you up). It'll take about a year for the new application and it'll be hard, but you have to think about the long term gain and not just the short term sacrifice. There are thousands of couples who go through the same thing and suffer for a short while so they can have a better future.
 

Deep1

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Apr 25, 2016
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Hi

I want to confirm if someone win the appeal, how long it will take to process the case from India, suppose appeal win in mid of April.


Experts view please.