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I'm a UK national that applied for Perm Residency in Canada via Commonlaw sponsorship. My Girlfriend is a Canadian National from Montreal.
We applied April 2015 in Ontario and it's currently processing. We applied in Toronto under Ontario rules.

I'm moving to Quebec snd know they have different immigration laws. I'm wondering if this screws my application and if I'll need to start again?


I got my MP to call CIC immigration. Who said they were unsure and I should contact immigration in Quebec (Diversité et Inclusion -514-864-9191)
The people in Quebec were unsure if my application in Ontario would be effected, but mentioned the Quebec application is harder with a different application.

It's been a year since I applied and still nothing. If I tell them I'm moving to Quebec will my Residency application be screwed?
 
Probably not screwed but it will likely be delayed as Quebec has it's own selection process that takes a few weeks before they will even look at your federal application. Here's the link to Quebec's immigration site, that should help.
http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/
 
candianscottish1985 said:
I'm a UK national that applied for Perm Residency in Canada via Commonlaw sponsorship. My Girlfriend is a Canadian National from Montreal.
We applied April 2015 in Ontario and it's currently processing. We applied in Toronto under Ontario rules.

I'm moving to Quebec snd know they have different immigration laws. I'm wondering if this screws my application and if I'll need to start again?


I got my MP to call CIC immigration. Who said they were unsure and I should contact immigration in Quebec (Diversité et Inclusion -514-864-9191)
The people in Quebec were unsure if my application in Ontario would be effected, but mentioned the Quebec application is harder with a different application.

It's been a year since I applied and still nothing. If I tell them I'm moving to Quebec will my Residency application be screwed?


I think nothing of a big deal moving to Quebec , Just update your address with CIC , and see what they say about that .
you are breaking no laws by moving to Quebec .
 
TANMEX said:
I think nothing of a big deal moving to Quebec , Just update your address with CIC , and see what they say about that .
you are breaking no laws by moving to Quebec .

Not true. It would be that easy if the OP was moving from Quebec to another province.
 
OK so conflicting reports here and CIC are telling me to consult with Quebec and Quebec are telling me to consult with CIC.

Is there anyone that can give an accurate answer to this?
 
Ponga said:
Not true. It would be that easy if the OP was moving from Quebec to another province.

Yep it's true and that easy , Quebec has no saying on Federal Applicants once application submitted from out of Quebec .
 
TANMEX said:
Yep it's true and that easy , Quebec has no saying on Federal Applicants once application submitted from out of Quebec .

Source?
 
Ponga said:

www.cic.gc.ca

inland applicants can't leave the country But they can move freely within Canada ( including Quebec ) .
there is nothing written on the immigration guide that prevent Federal applicants from moving to Quebec .

Your source ?
 
candianscottish1985 said:
I've very happy to hear this Tanex but do you actually have an exact link? I can't find anything on the CIC site?
Do you have a specific page?

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5289ETOC.asp

here are the conditions for inland :

Leaving Canada can automatically cancel temporary resident status as a visitor, student or worker.

The person being sponsored has no guarantee that he or she will be permitted to return or re‑enter Canada if he or she leaves before permanent residence is approved. This is especially true if a Temporary Resident Visa is required to enter Canada.

Applications in this category cannot be transferred to immigration offices outside Canada.

The person being sponsored will have to submit a new application to the Case Processing Centre in Mississauga (CPC‑M) if he or she cannot return to Canada.

Moving to Quebec is not one of the issues , Quebec is Part of Canada .

I wouldn't worry about it at all . since Both CIC and Quebec Immigration couldn't figure it out .
 
Have a look at this thread:
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/sponsoring-spouse-in-quebec-t37884.0.html

Telling someone that they can apply for sponsorship, while living in Ontario, and that they can move to Quebec without notifying CIC and following whatever protocol there is, is just bad advice.
 
Ponga said:
Have a look at this thread:
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/sponsoring-spouse-in-quebec-t37884.0.html

Telling someone that they can apply for sponsorship, while living in Ontario, and that they can move to Quebec without notifying CIC and following whatever protocol there is, is just bad advice.

1- he wasn't a Quebec Resident at the time he sent his application , 2- that thread is just people like me and you assuming things , 3- the link I sent is from CIC , 4- In any case he need to notify CIC of his address change .
 
*sigh*


Try this:
http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/immigrate-settle/sponsors-sponsored/apply/index.html

Immigration is a shared jurisdiction between the governments of Québec and Canada. In the case of the family class (sponsoring a close family member), the person who wishes to sponsor must satisfy the requirements of both governments. See also L’immigration au Québec : Partage des responsabilités Québec-Canada (PDF, 230 Ko) (Québec's immigration: Québec-Canada sharing of responsabilities).
3 important steps

Here are three important steps to follow to sponsor a close relative and information to understand this process. The person you are sponsoring must also complete certain procedures.

1. Submit a sponsorship application to the Government of Canada (which has been done)
2. Submit an undertaking application to the Government of Québec (which has NOT been done)
3. Ask the person you are sponsoring to complete certain procedures, namely, applying for a Québec Selection Certificate and permanent residence. (which has NOT been done)
 
Hello candianscottish1985,

I'm not an expert on spousal sponsorship, but your question was interesting so I did a little bit of research and here are my 2 cents:

The essential question that will be asked by CIC is: "Where does the sponsor live?". CIC's website has this to say about the eligibility of the sponsor:
If you live in Quebec, you must also meet Quebec’s conditions to be a sponsor
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/sponsor/spouse.asp

Similarly, Quebec's immigration website has this to say about the sponsor:
You can sponsor a close relative if you are a Canadian citizen or permanent resident living in Québec
http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/immigrate-settle/sponsors-sponsored/requirements-sponsor/index.html

Note that nowhere is anything mentioned about where the applicant, i.e., you, lives or plans to live. However, I think it is safe to assume that any government agency expects you (the applicant) to follow and reside with your Canadian partner (the sponsor).

Therefore, if you girlfriend is also moving to QC with you, I would expect that once she updates her address with CIC, that they will request her to go through the extra QC step and get a CSQ for you. This will add some cost and time (a few weeks?) to the process but, IMO if you are indeed planning to settle in QC, I believe the CSQ will provide you with some perks (access to free French classes, QC healthcare without having to go through Ontario's first, etc.) and with peace of mind (avoid any potential claims of misrepresentation: you planned to settle in QC, so you applied through the QC process. Period.)
If you decide to follow that route, and your girlfriend hasn't been approved as a sponsor yet, I believe she should just change her address with CIC and file any extra forms, if applicable. Once approved (as sponsor), she should apply with MIDI for their part of the process to get you a CSQ, which will then be used for your part of the process (applying for the PR status).

If, on the other hand, your girlfriend is staying in ON, or anywhere elsewhere in Canada for that matter, she won't need to (and probably can't) go through the QC process (since it all hinges on where the sponsor resides). However, this also means that you won't get a CSQ and you will have to "land" anywhere but QC and "later" move there. I believe you also wouldn't be eligible for integration/francisation services upon landing**, and if you go apply for your health card as a new immigrant without CSQ this may raise some serious questions. The way I see it, even though you'd be following all the rules applicable to your situation, it would still look bad (you'd have to pretend, or at least imply, that you're settling somewhere other than where you really are). It seems that the system isn’t designed with this case in mind, but some could argue that the point of spousal sponsorship is for both partners to be together and that in fact filing an application where each person lives in a different province, and it doesn’t seem to be a temporary situation, may raise questions about the authenticity of the relationship to begin with.

My opinion: make up your mind about where the two of you will settle (QC vs not-QC), and if that’s going to be QC, then get an address there as soon as possible and have your girlfriend apply for the QC sponsorship part of the process.

Relevant resources:
1. CIC operational manuals IP-2:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/ip/ip02-eng.pdf
2. CIC operational manuals IP-8:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/ip/ip08-eng.pdf
3. Quebec’s Guide des Procédures d’Immigration (regroupement familial), in french :
http://www.midi.gouv.qc.ca/fr/publications/guide-procedures-immigration/regroupement-familial.html


** I am not 100% sure about this, but I'm sure you can inquire about that from the Quebec government directly, if interested. Specifically, what exactly is the added value a CSQ provides when a PR decides to move to Quebec. And is there any other way someone without a CSQ could receive the same perks, if any?
 
Ponga said:
*sigh*


Try this:
http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/immigrate-settle/sponsors-sponsored/apply/index.html

Immigration is a shared jurisdiction between the governments of Québec and Canada. In the case of the family class (sponsoring a close family member), the person who wishes to sponsor must satisfy the requirements of both governments. See also L’immigration au Québec : Partage des responsabilités Québec-Canada (PDF, 230 Ko) (Québec's immigration: Québec-Canada sharing of responsabilities).
3 important steps

Here are three important steps to follow to sponsor a close relative and information to understand this process. The person you are sponsoring must also complete certain procedures.

1. Submit a sponsorship application to the Government of Canada (which has been done)
2. Submit an undertaking application to the Government of Québec (which has NOT been done)
3. Ask the person you are sponsoring to complete certain procedures, namely, applying for a Québec Selection Certificate and permanent residence. (which has NOT been done)

again
That's for Quebec Residents Applications , Not for someone who submitted his Federal Application 1 year ago .
If CIC and Quebec Immigration told him they don't know , how can you be so sure ?>