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[mikeymyke]

When you think about it, it's kinda a joke that it all depends on the Visa Officer. You just have to hope to get lucky. I wouldn't mind too much about the excessive delays if it wasn't so hard to get into Canada as a tourist while waiting. I don't know if everybody's in the same boat, but for me my wife tried 3 times and received 3 refusals so we basically gave up hope on getting her to Canada before she gets her PR. Keeping couples apart from each other for such a long time is so bad.

Anyway... where is your spouse from?

I read your previous posts johnny, and I noticed that your wife suddenly had over half a million baht in her account when she applied again. Without reading the rest of your story, I kinda had a feeling that you or someone, was putting large deposits in her account and it turns out in your GCMS, this was noted by the officer. It's a very common mistake for people to apply for TRV and then have their bank accounts "topped up" by their spouse or relative. Even if they knew the source of the funds, the VO would not be convinced that the applicant would be capable of taking care of themselves while in Canada. I knew that topping up was a bad idea seeing as how I've read numerous posts where people complained about being denied due to financial assets despite having large bank balances, and they all had one thing in common: they had their bank accounts topped up, and this was noted as a refusal reason in GCMS.

Also, it might sound unfair that the VO keeps pointing out that your wife has no children, but that's because she hasn't shown proof (or that's what it seems), that she has parents, siblings, relatives, etc living in her country to show family ties. So without that info, they would have to see if she has any children to determine if she has any family ties. If she can't provide any of this stuff, then she will be refused on family ties. I read that you said you've read a LOT of posts on these forums, but I'm surprised you didn't know about the issue of topping up bank accounts.

My wife's TRV was successful, I never put any money into her account during the last 4 months before we applied for a TRV, all the money was her own. Also, we showed her birth certificate, household registry showing her parents, siblings live in the house since she was born, and she has no relatives living in Canada. Both of these actions were to show financial assets and family ties, and also I'd like to mention my wife does not own a business or house, just has a bank account.

 

[Koifish76]

I got the Package containing pictures and documents with Tracking Number today from Canadapost. There is an instruction to submit to re-medical, Orignial good conduct certificate, IMM 5669 form and my passport.

Great to hear! Do the instructions specify for you to wait a certain time length before submitting passport/docs and if so, are you planning to wait, or just go ahead and mail everything the minute you complete the instructions???

Also, what is a "original good conduct certificate" ?

Good luck, Shaw

Koifish76

 

[mikeymyke]

I don't understand, you did your medical back in Oct 2013, it hasn't been a year yet, why would they ask for a remedical so soon?

 

[Koifish76]

Hi Shaw,
When was your last medical done?
I also got a package and they didn't request for a re-medical

The difference is, their medical was done in Oct, 2013, yours in Dec. 2013. Realistically, you should have COPR within the next 65 days, and also giving you plenty of time to land before your December expiry. Shaw's application will most likely overlap the one year period of October, so a new medical is needed, but on the other hand, will most likely have nearly a year to make the landing (from the date of their re-medical).

Edit. Just remembered you mentioned your medical was October as well. I am curious as well why you by-pass this. Perhaps related to job occupation if in the health industry or something?

 

[Koifish76]

I don't understand, you did your medical back in Oct 2013, it hasn't been a year yet, why would they ask for a remedical so soon?

October is only 45 days away. After passport request, it takes an average of 65 days or so before receiving COPR, which would be past his original medical date of one year. This is normal from what I have seen on here. And in most cases, the visa stamp expires on the date of the medical or re-medical. It's just too close. I, personally would prefer to re-do medical and have more time before visa is expired.

 

[johnnycage]

I read your previous posts johnny, and I noticed that your wife suddenly had over half a million baht in her account when she applied again. Without reading the rest of your story, I kinda had a feeling that you or someone, was putting large deposits in her account and it turns out in your GCMS, this was noted by the officer. It's a very common mistake for people to apply for TRV and then have their bank accounts "topped up" by their spouse or relative. Even if they knew the source of the funds, the VO would not be convinced that the applicant would be capable of taking care of themselves while in Canada. I knew that topping up was a bad idea seeing as how I've read numerous posts where people complained about being denied due to financial assets despite having large bank balances, and they all had one thing in common: they had their bank accounts topped up, and this was noted as a refusal reason in GCMS.

Also, it might sound unfair that the VO keeps pointing out that your wife has no children, but that's because she hasn't shown proof (or that's what it seems), that she has parents, siblings, relatives, etc living in her country to show family ties. So without that info, they would have to see if she has any children to determine if she has any family ties. If she can't provide any of this stuff, then she will be refused on family ties. I read that you said you've read a LOT of posts on these forums, but I'm surprised you didn't know about the issue of topping up bank accounts.

My wife's TRV was successful, I never put any money into her account during the last 4 months before we applied for a TRV, all the money was her own. Also, we showed her birth certificate, household registry showing her parents, siblings live in the house since she was born, and she has no relatives living in Canada. Both of these actions were to show financial assets and family ties, and also I'd like to mention my wife does not own a business or house, just has a bank account.

Hi mikeymyke,

I don't know how many posts you have read here, and also what I've written here exactly, but what I do know is that you are making assumptions and that these assumptions are false, no offence. I won't give the whole story because it's too long, but basically my wife applied for a TRV 5 times, 2 before I'd met her, 2 before we were married and 1 after. I ordered every notes. When I met her, we hired an immigration consultant to help us build the application because of her previous refusals. I have never put any money in her bank account. She borrowed money from her friend and family to cover the expense of the trip. It was about 15k$, which makes sense for a 3 months trip (what she was asking for). It was 2 years ago. She's always kept the money in her bank account since, + added some because of her own income and money from a company she runs. A company can generate a lot of money compared to an individual. I know what I'm talking about, I own one also. This explains why last time she applied she had a good amount of money in her bank accounts. Also, like you said I have read A LOT on these forums before applying for TRV. This is true for the last 2 TRVs, since I felt like I got screwed by the lawyer for the first one. It is true I have read a lot about it, and in the last 2 applications, the source of every single baht in her bank account was very clearly stated. There was no room for misinterpretation. A second assumption you make which is also false is that she has little or no family in Thailand, or that it wasn't clear in the applications. Well, she has a really big family to which she is really close, and more friends that I will ever have. If you know anything about Thailand you would know that this is very important to them. We have included a list of about 15 friends and family members who signed a letter specifying their relationship to her, for how long they'd known her and that she will come back to Thailand after her trip. This alongside with three signed affidavits by two men in the Thai ministry and one high ranked in the military who sworn that she would come back after her trip. All this including the house registration of the house she owns, signed letter of her associate allowing her to leave during the a given period but that she would have to come back to run the company at date X, and all the usual papers you need to convince the officer that she will come back after her trip. Her last 2 applications were rock solid. The last one we made after we married because on the first application GCMS notes it was clearly state RECOMMEND FOR PR PACKAGE. She got an interview the first time and the lady interviewing her told her, and I quote: "I will never let you enter Canada unless you get married with a Canadian.". Bangkok's office is well-known to refuse a lot of TRVs for single women and let them go when they are waiting for PR. Lucky as we are, right before we applied for her last TRV it seems like they became like the other offices, and are refusing most TRVs of ppl waiting for PR, which makes sense. Our immigration officer told us that, and the first time he suggested me to marry to save me a lot of troubles, because nearly all married women got a TRV while waiting for PR. I checked, my wife checked on Thai forums and it was the case. Anyway, that's another story.

I am very happy for you that your wife got her TRV. I have seen some of your posts also and you seem like you did your homework, but so did I. Assuming that when people get rejected is because their application was flawed is a mistake on your side. Some people get rejected for bad reason. All in all, it is all the decision of the officer, not anyone else, and there's no appeal. This is what I'm calling bullshit.

 

[johnnycage]

Btw, I didn't mean to be rude in any case, and if you want more details about my whole process, you are welcome to PM me.

 

[mikeymyke]

Hey johnny its ok, also I hope you read my post. I did not try to make assumptions, you see where I said "or that's what it seems", and I didn't say you were topping her account, I said "you or someone ". Anyway, after what you told me about the lady saying "I'll never let you into Canada", I think even if you had a good application you'd be refused anyway because of that type of attitude from them. I think we were just lucky. But I think maybe the 5 previous TRV attempts, and the subsequent refusals were likely the main cause in the TRV being denied so many times, because I know after each refusal, it just makes it harder and harder to succeed each time.

Honestly when my wife and I applied for it, despite the amount of time and effort we put into it, we were fully expecting a refusal, because of the difficulties Vietnamese have to get a TRV approved in general, and the fact she's married to me with no assets. So the whole time we were waiting for the TRV to be approved, we just acted as if she was going to be refused, and this kind of helped make us less stressed during the whole thing.

I hope your PR application is at least going well, and you guys can go through this process as stress free as possible. Best of luck.

 

[johnnycage]

Hey johnny its ok, also I hope you read my post. I did not try to make assumptions, you see where I said "or that's what it seems", and I didn't say you were topping her account, I said "you or someone ". Anyway, after what you told me about the lady saying "I'll never let you into Canada", I think even if you had a good application you'd be refused anyway because of that type of attitude. I think we were just lucky. But I think maybe the 5 previous TRV attempts, and the subsequent refusals were likely the main cause in the TRV being denied so many times, because I know after each refusal, it just makes it harder and harder to succeed each time.

I hope your PR application is at least going well, best of luck.

Thanks for the wishes mikey. By reading the notes of the last 2 refusals, I think the same as you: they just refused them based on the last refusals. There were a lot of inconsistencies in the notes (e.g. they said she had no travel records while we included a list of her last trips to 4 different countries) which made me mad. I filled a complaint with the address they provide on the government website's but never received any reply. I just hope it will go smoothly with the PR.

What province are you in?

 

[johnnycage]

DELAY IN RECEIVING GCMS NOTES:

My wife got the following reply :

Thank you for contacting the Access to Information and Privacy Office.

We acknowledge that your request is now overdue. According to our records, your request was due on July 23, 2014.

Although we make efforts to provide timely access to records, the high volume of requests our institution processes makes it impossible to determine the exact date your file will be ready.

We apologize for any inconvenient this situation may cause. The information will be forwarded to you as soon as possible.

To learn more about our Access to Information and Privacy, please visit us at the following: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/DEPARTMENT/atip/index.asp

Regards,

Client Service Representative | Représentant du service à la clientèle.
Access to Information and Privacy | Accès à l'information et protection des renseignements personnels
Citizenship and Immigration Canada | Citoyenneté et Immigration Canada
Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada

Please share it with us when you receive your notes. I requested the notes on June 26th and am still waiting as well. I will post here when I receive them,

 

[Shaw]

Hi Shaw,
When was your last medical done?
I also got a package and they didn't request for a re-medical

My last medical was done in Oct 15, 2013.

I did not expect to get re-medical, however they asked me to do that.

 

[Shaw]

Great to hear! Do the instructions specify for you to wait a certain time length before submitting passport/docs and if so, are you planning to wait, or just go ahead and mail everything the minute you complete the instructions???

Also, what is a "original good conduct certificate" ?

Good luck, Shaw

Koifish76

Hi Koifish

No SVO instructed me to do re-medical within 30 day of the issue of this letter and I have to submit all the documents they asked within 60 days of the issue of the letter to VFS.

I think SVO sent the letter is a standard one and they send it to every one in this standard letter. I think you will get same standard letter. You can do everything in one day, only time consuming is Original good conduct certificate. SVO mentioned in bracket it means Certificate of NO criminal records, it is understood that it is Police clearence.

I see SVO will take less time progessively in coming months to issue Visa to those cases which will not require interview. Total time in interview cases will be less in coming months as they are gearing up.

Good luck to all of you

Shaw

 

[Shaw]

I don't understand, you did your medical back in Oct 2013, it hasn't been a year yet, why would they ask for a remedical so soon?

May be they have no standard work procedure as the Assistants working their consists of different Asian nationalities and they work like their own wish.

 

[Shaw]

The difference is, their medical was done in Oct, 2013, yours in Dec. 2013. Realistically, you should have COPR within the next 65 days, and also giving you plenty of time to land before your December expiry. Shaw's application will most likely overlap the one year period of October, so a new medical is needed, but on the other hand, will most likely have nearly a year to make the landing (from the date of their re-medical).

Edit. Just remembered you mentioned your medical was October as well. I am curious as well why you by-pass this. Perhaps related to job occupation if in the health industry or something?

SVO did not ask for full re-medical, rather they ask for on Tuberculosis /Chest X-ray test and cost is less than half.

I understand from the blog that the re-medical usually is only Tuberculosis /Chest X-ray test.

 

[diyabrar]

Hi mikeymyke,

I don't know how many posts you have read here, and also what I've written here exactly, but what I do know is that you are making assumptions and that these assumptions are false, no offence. I won't give the whole story because it's too long, but basically my wife applied for a TRV 5 times, 2 before I'd met her, 2 before we were married and 1 after. I ordered every notes. When I met her, we hired an immigration consultant to help us build the application because of her previous refusals. I have never put any money in her bank account. She borrowed money from her friend and family to cover the expense of the trip. It was about 15k$, which makes sense for a 3 months trip (what she was asking for). It was 2 years ago. She's always kept the money in her bank account since, + added some because of her own income and money from a company she runs. A company can generate a lot of money compared to an individual. I know what I'm talking about, I own one also. This explains why last time she applied she had a good amount of money in her bank accounts. Also, like you said I have read A LOT on these forums before applying for TRV. This is true for the last 2 TRVs, since I felt like I got screwed by the lawyer for the first one. It is true I have read a lot about it, and in the last 2 applications, the source of every single baht in her bank account was very clearly stated. There was no room for misinterpretation. A second assumption you make which is also false is that she has little or no family in Thailand, or that it wasn't clear in the applications. Well, she has a really big family to which she is really close, and more friends that I will ever have. If you know anything about Thailand you would know that this is very important to them. We have included a list of about 15 friends and family members who signed a letter specifying their relationship to her, for how long they'd known her and that she will come back to Thailand after her trip. This alongside with three signed affidavits by two men in the Thai ministry and one high ranked in the military who sworn that she would come back after her trip. All this including the house registration of the house she owns, signed letter of her associate allowing her to leave during the a given period but that she would have to come back to run the company at date X, and all the usual papers you need to convince the officer that she will come back after her trip. Her last 2 applications were rock solid. The last one we made after we married because on the first application GCMS notes it was clearly state RECOMMEND FOR PR PACKAGE. She got an interview the first time and the lady interviewing her told her, and I quote: "I will never let you enter Canada unless you get married with a Canadian.". Bangkok's office is well-known to refuse a lot of TRVs for single women and let them go when they are waiting for PR. Lucky as we are, right before we applied for her last TRV it seems like they became like the other offices, and are refusing most TRVs of ppl waiting for PR, which makes sense. Our immigration officer told us that, and the first time he suggested me to marry to save me a lot of troubles, because nearly all married women got a TRV while waiting for PR. I checked, my wife checked on Thai forums and it was the case. Anyway, that's another story.

I am very happy for you that your wife got her TRV. I have seen some of your posts also and you seem like you did your homework, but so did I. Assuming that when people get rejected is because their application was flawed is a mistake on your side. Some people get rejected for bad reason. All in all, it is all the decision of the officer, not anyone else, and there's no appeal. This is what I'm calling bull*censored word*.

Hi there!

i have been following ur post!..i am a very old member of this club lol..

anyway what is the status of ur application now? ecas mentions "in process"?