Sign petition: Citizenship Act Bill C-24 discrimination

[sashali78]

Chill the f*** out. I listened, I watched the hearings, I paid attention, I signed your damn petition, so don't attack me.

I believe that pre-PR time should count and was and still am in support of that amendment (though after your little rant there and the reference to Mein Kampf, I'm not so supportive of you personally).

I was simply pointing out the political logic behind the decision. 0.1% signed the petition, 99.9% didn't sign the petition. That's what politicians care about.

I am sorry you felt attacked personally and it is OK if you don't support me as individual. I also thank you for signing the petition. However, if that's what you wanted to say you were choosing the wrong words. There are 3 inaccuracies in your previous statement and that is the statement I was attacking.
"The government listened to this 0.1% a lot more than they needed to and a lot more than most Canadians wanted them to. They listened to the expert witnesses. "
1. They didn't listen to us.
2. They didn't listen more than they should. That's the beauty of democratic regime - opportunity to speak. In fact they cut our speech time by half just half an hour prior to the hearing and cut the time of other witnesses completely on other meetings.
3. They didn't listen to or embrace the expert opinions they invited themselves.
The whole process is a joke. There is no real discussion, there is no real consideration, there is no decision making process except what big boss says.

 

[us2yow]

there is no decision making process except what big boss says.

that sounds very Putin-esque !

 

[salzafar]

Look at the grammar, spelling and punctuation in what you just wrote....need I say more?

Yeah, unlike you I don't use spell check. ;D

 

[taleodor]

Yeah, unlike you I don't use spell check. ;D

He is probably evaluated based on spelling

 

[canuck_in_uk]

"The government listened to this 0.1% a lot more than they needed to and a lot more than most Canadians wanted them to. They listened to the expert witnesses. "
1. They didn't listen to us.
2. They didn't listen more than they should. That's the beauty of democratic regime - opportunity to speak. In fact they cut our speech time by half just half an hour prior to the hearing and cut the time of other witnesses completely on other meetings.
3. They didn't listen to or embrace the expert opinions they invited themselves.

1. There is a difference between not listening and not acting on what is heard.
2. Not what I was saying. I said that they listened more than they needed to, as in from a legal standpoint, and gave more time to the issue than most Canadians wanted, given the current TFW/immigration sentiments. I'm aware that the witnesses time was cut, which was an unfair move.
3. See point 1. This is a case of the latter.

They did listen but as you said, they didn't embrace the expert opinions that they heard.

 

[taleodor]

Do you really think that Bill C-24 is the sole platform on which people elect their government? If you haven't noticed, Canada is a developed country and extending the residency period by 1 year for new immigrants is not the most important issue for the vast majority of Canadian citizens. Yes, it is important to you, but no one is going to topple this government because they decided to act in Canada's best interests instead of yours. Deal with it.

Definitely, Bill C-24 is just a small piece, why Cons should be kicked out of the office. I think, our message should be formed about something like that ->
Cons have been in the office for ~10 years. During this time:
1. Veteran Affairs - total failure
2. Immigration - total failure (Bill C-24 is just a part of that, look at TFW for a gross example)
3. Bunch of notorious 'back to work' bills and continuous job cuts here and there
4. Un'Fair elections act'
5. Healthcare, Environment, Education, Quality of Life - either got worse, or stalled with no improvement. 6. Finance - they had a really smart guy, Jim Flaherty, RIP. After he passed away, there is no hope on them any more.
7. All professional have left Harper. He cannot even find a single good lawyer in his team.
8. Multiple corruption scandals.

For the sake of Canada, Conservatives should be thrown out of the office ASAP. And I think, few thousand motivated people ready to volunteer should help to make this happen.

 

[torontosm]

Definitely, Bill C-24 is just a small piece, why Cons should be kicked out of the office. I think, our message should be formed about something like that ->
Cons have been in the office for ~10 years. During this time:
1. Veteran Affairs - total failure
2. Immigration - total failure (Bill C-24 is just a part of that, look at TFW for a gross example)
3. Bunch of notorious 'back to work' bills and continuous job cuts here and there
4. Un'Fair elections act'
5. Healthcare, Environment, Education, Quality of Life - either got worse, or stalled with no improvement. 6. Finance - they had a really smart guy, Jim Flaherty, RIP. After he passed away, there is no hope on them any more.
7. All professional have left Harper. He cannot even find a single good lawyer in his team.
8. Multiple corruption scandals.

For the sake of Canada, Conservatives should be thrown out of the office ASAP. And I think, few thousand motivated people ready to volunteer should help to make this happen.

Just because you say something is a total failure, that doesn't automatically make it a fact. Why is immigration a failure? Because the cons have allowed in more immigrants and granted citizenship to more people than any other government in Canadian history? If that is your position, then why are you also against C-24?

As for Healthcare, quality of life, etc., you obviously weren't around when the liberals were in power.

you also seem to have omitted the facts that the economy has consistently grown, and in fact has outpaced all other G-7 countries since the financial crisis. Speaking of the crisis, you also neglected to mentioned that despite its heavy economic reliance on the US, Canada managed to avoid the economic downturn that continues to plague our neighbours to the South. You didn't say anything about how our banking system remained intact and has consistently been ranked the safest in the world. And, you also forgot to mention that unlike the Liberals who kept raising taxes, the Cons have actually cut taxes.

As for Harper not being able to find a lawyer, I'm not even sure what you are trying to say, but I really doubt that Harper would struggle to find someone to join his team.

 

[us2yow]

Canadian Bar Association Requests Apology for Chris Alexander's Disrespectful Comments

http://immlawyer.blogs.com/files/bill-c-24-letter-1.pdf

 

[zardoz]

Canadian Bar Association Requests Apology for Chris Alexander's Disrespectful Comments

http://immlawyer.blogs.com/files/bill-c-24-letter-1.pdf

Which will probably be completely ignored... Once again, they throw in this word "unconstitutional" which may be sufficient to for the Cons to just dismiss them as "troublemakers".
Personally, I suspect that the people that drafted this Bill have been over it with a very fine-toothed legal comb, just to ensure that it WILL stand up in Court. They are, after all, not complete novices at drafting legislation....

 

[mathlete]

Jobs with the government are very real...the guys who work at the CBSA, CIC, Canadian Forces etc have real jobs, if it wasn't because they perform their jobs this country would no be what it is

Oh heaven forbid. The CBSA: That group of hard working Canadians that scrutinize us about every purchase because god forbid they don't get another dollar of tax. The CIC that group of hard working people who have taken nearly 4 years to process my citizenship application and are oh-so-helpful when you call them. I'll give you the Canadian forces but as for the rest of this government (and most other governments for that matter) they are a drain on the countries resources. What makes this country what it is, is the Canadian people NOT the Canadian government.