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Harry15

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Jun 17, 2015
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Hello Members

My question is if PRTD denied for not meeting RO and there is no inadmissibility issue with the PR,
Can he be stopped at PoE during the appeal period of 30 days?
Does he has the "Right to enter Canada" even if the Appeal decision is still pending in the Court?
Please share your views.
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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Hello Members

My question is if PRTD denied for not meeting RO and there is no inadmissibility issue with the PR,
Can he be stopped at PoE during the appeal period of 30 days?
Does he has the "Right to enter Canada" even if the Appeal decision is still pending in the Court?
Please share your views.
If a PR TD application has been denied for not meeting the PR Residency Obligation, there is an inadmissibility issue. The decision itself is a determination that the PR is inadmissible due to the breach of the PR RO.

"Inadmissibility" is a status and does not directly mean the individual will not be allowed to physically enter Canada. And, indeed, so long as the individual remains a PR, that individual is entitled to physically enter Canada, even if he or she is "inadmissible."

After a PR TD application has been denied, that individual remains a PR for the time period in which an appeal can be made. That is currently 60 days. If an appeal is properly made during that period of time, this individual remains a PR for as long as the appeal is pending. However, during this time period the PR has inadmissible status, which again does NOT preclude entering or staying in Canada, but also cannot gain credit toward PR RO compliance.

Thus, if a PR who has been denied a PR TD can nonetheless travel to and arrive at a PoE into Canada, before the expiration of time period in which to make the appeal, or while an appeal is pending, that PR will be entitled to physically enter Canada.

For clarity, the appeal I am referring to is the appeal by right to the IAD, which is an administrative or quasi-judicial process. The IAD acts like a court, a reviewing court, but it is not a formal "Court" as such.

In particular, I am not sure what "appeal period of 30 days" you are referring to (last I looked, the time within which a denied PR TD may be appealed is 60 days).

I am also not sure what "Court" you are referring to. (Again, an appeal of a PR TD takes the matter to the IAD.)

If, for example, you are referring to a case where a PR was denied a PR TD, made an appeal to the IAD, and then lost that decision and you are referring to the time to make an application to the Federal Court for judicial review, I do not know the individual's status during that period of time.


Being "stopped at PoE:"

All travelers are stopped at the PoE, even though briefly (very briefly for Nexus travelers for example, barely a stop at all but sufficient for electronic chip to be read). The nature and duration of the stop varies considerably.

The most common and biggest distinction involves a referral to Secondary, which is an examination following the PIL (Primary Inspection Line) step. The PIL exchange (usually at booth if the crossing is made by car) is brief for most, little more than presentation of Travel Document to show identity and status, some perfunctory questions, then a waive through. If the PIL officer identifies more complex immigration issues, there is a referral for a Secondary Examination.

Anyone, everyone, can be referred to Secondary for a further examination. Including Canadian citizens. Once a traveler is properly identified as a Canadian, however, that person is entitled to enter Canada. PRs are Canadians, and thus once identified as a PR they are entitled to enter Canada. Even if they are "inadmissible." (Again, "inadmissibility" is a status; inadmissible PRs are still Canadians, still entitled to enter; inadmissible FNs, in contrast, have no right of entry and thus their inadmissibility will ordinarily mean they will not be allowed to enter Canada, not without some kind of waiver.)

Nonetheless, the CBSA immigration officer in Secondary can conduct an examination of a PR regarding compliance with the PR RO. For a PR determined to be in breach of the PR RO, thus inadmissible, a 44(1) Inadmissibility Report is issued, to be followed by a Departure Order. Since the PR has a right of appeal, the PR remains a Canadian and can then enter Canada. The time within which that appeal needs to be made is 30 days (as I recall). That individual loses PR status at the end of that time unless the appeal is made.

For a PR who already has a PR TD denied, there will likely be a referral to Secondary, the event will be documented in FOSS, the PR will probably be advised and/or admonished about his or her status. If no appeal has been made yet (and it is still during the time in which the appeal can be made), the PR will likely be admonished that PR status will be lost and the PR must depart Canada accordingly. In this scenario, it may be possible that a 44(1) Report and Departure Order is issued, despite the fact that a PR TD application has already been denied. If the PR has already made the appeal, before arriving at the PoE to enter Canada, the PR will likely be informed or admonished to some extent about his or her status.

Note: even if the PR is waived into Canada without a Secondary examination, if a PR TD application has been denied the PR must appeal that decision or PR status will be lost. Once a PR TD is denied, to keep PR status the PR must appeal and win the appeal. Thus, even if the PR comes to Canada and is waived to enter Canada, this is not a situation in which the PR can then live in Canada for two years and cure the breach of the PR RO. In this scenario, PR status is lost unless the PR appeals and wins the appeal.
 

Harry15

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Jun 17, 2015
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Thanks dpenabill for in-depth analysis of the situation.

As you have explained, inadmissibility is a status and does not take away the "right to enter Canada" from a PR irrespective of the fact that TD has been denied at first place.
So, is it worth taking a chance to apply for TD before making an effort to reach at PoE and enter Canada?? Please elaborate.
Is there any official web link which describes that a PR with inadmissible status can still enter Canada??
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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Thanks dpenabill for in-depth analysis of the situation.

As you have explained, inadmissibility is a status and does not take away the "right to enter Canada" from a PR irrespective of the fact that TD has been denied at first place.
So, is it worth taking a chance to apply for TD before making an effort to reach at PoE and enter Canada?? Please elaborate.
Is there any official web link which describes that a PR with inadmissible status can still enter Canada??
A lot of the relevant information can be found in the various Operation Manuals which apply, but that does take doing some homework.

The manuals are linked at the IRCC webpage: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/index.asp

Main ones of import related to this discussion, listed in relative order of importance, are:
ENF 4 Port of Entry Examinations (this was revised as recently as December)
OP 10 Permanent Residency Status Determination (this includes a section about the PR TD application process)
ENF 23 Loss of Permanent Resident Status

More detailed information is also found in
ENF 5 Writing 44(1) Reports
ENF 10 Removals
ENF 27 Permanent Resident Card

Context is important, so it is easier to understand what these manuals prescribe (and limitations on their applicability) if one also does their homework in terms of reviewing some of the IAD decisions (I have linked many of these in other topics), the applicable statutes in IRPA and related regulations, and with due consideration given to anecdotal reports in forums like this. (Personally I also have experience at Canadian PoE crossings going back more than a half century, including a period of several years following 9/11 (and before I finally became a PR) in which, due to personal circumstances, I was the subject of several referrals to Secondary for immigration purposes, and like some others here, I also have binge watched the Border Security television episodes depicting selected and edited but nonetheless actual PoE interactions with travelers.)


Toward an understanding of the context for saying PRs are entitled to enter Canada:

It is a basic part of the system that PRs are entitled to enter Canada. See section 27(1) IRPA http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-7.html#h-19

Thus, as long as a person is a PR, that person is entitled to enter Canada.

A PR can only lose PR status in the specific ways prescribed by statute. These are listed in Section 46(1) IRPA http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-10.html#h-27

The denial of a PR TD is covered by subsection 46(1)(b): "A person loses permanent resident status on a final determination of a decision made outside Canada that they have failed to comply with the residency obligation under section 28"

That decision is NOT final until the time within which an appeal can be made has passed and no appeal has been made. If an appeal is made, that decision is not final until there is a final decision on the appeal (or it is withdrawn).

Thus, pending these contingencies, that is until that decision is final, the PR remains a PR.

Similarly as to the issuance of a 44(1) Report and Departure or Removal Order at a PoE: that does not result in the loss of PR status until the Removal Order "comes into force." see subsection 46(1)(c). The Departure or Removal Order is not enforceable during the period of time in which the PR has a right to appeal (as I recall, this one is 30 days), and if the PR appeals it is not enforceable while the appeal is pending.


Regarding best approach for a particular individual:

There is NO one-rule-fits-all, no general best approach. The best approach for an individual depends on many factors, including the individual's specific history and circumstances.

Some factors are obvious and loom large, such as the extent to which the individual is in breach of the PR RO, the extent to which the individual has H&C reasons which might justify keeping PR status, whether the PR can travel to Canada via the U.S. rather than needing to obtain a PR TD to fly to Canada, to what extent has the PR been established in Canada (such as prior to recent lengthy absence) and the extent of other ties the PR has in Canada. Among many more. Differences in one factor can affect how another factor influences things.

Thus, it can get complicated. The simple part is that once a PR is in breach of the PR RO, the PR is at risk of losing PR status. And whether or not the PR will be able to keep PR status will depend, in significant part, on how persuasive the PR is that he or she deserves to keep PR status.
 
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Buletruck

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I am curious about the scenario (and some of the repercussions) posed by the original post. If a PR has already been refused a PRTD and wants to return home, how would not having a valid US Visa prior to the PRTD application refusal affect them? It's well know that a PR can gain entry at a POE, but how could one get to that POE if they don't already possess a US Visa. Not being eligible for a TRV or eTA, as a PR, I could foresee this as being far more difficult than everyone seems to make it out. I would think the inadmissibility status would make acquiring a US visa extremely difficult with the amount of information sharing that goes on between the two countries. Additionally, I think the PR's current status with IRCC would be highlighted in any background search the US would do prior to issuing a visa (or even an ESTA) and would likely result in a refusal. Or is it more a matter that the US wouldn't care?
 

steaky

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I am curious about the scenario (and some of the repercussions) posed by the original post. If a PR has already been refused a PRTD and wants to return home, how would not having a valid US Visa prior to the PRTD application refusal affect them? It's well know that a PR can gain entry at a POE, but how could one get to that POE if they don't already possess a US Visa. Not being eligible for a TRV or eTA, as a PR, I could foresee this as being far more difficult than everyone seems to make it out. I would think the inadmissibility status would make acquiring a US visa extremely difficult with the amount of information sharing that goes on between the two countries. Additionally, I think the PR's current status with IRCC would be highlighted in any background search the US would do prior to issuing a visa (or even an ESTA) and would likely result in a refusal. Or is it more a matter that the US wouldn't care?
They can still come by private boat / plane from international waters.
 

Buletruck

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They can still come by private boat / plane from international waters.
Not sure how practical that is.....that would be an fairly long, unpleasant boat ride (for the majority of people) in a private boat from Asia, Europe or even Mexico. :)
 

Harry15

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Jun 17, 2015
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I am curious about the scenario (and some of the repercussions) posed by the original post. If a PR has already been refused a PRTD and wants to return home, how would not having a valid US Visa prior to the PRTD application refusal affect them? It's well know that a PR can gain entry at a POE, but how could one get to that POE if they don't already possess a US Visa. Not being eligible for a TRV or eTA, as a PR, I could foresee this as being far more difficult than everyone seems to make it out. I would think the inadmissibility status would make acquiring a US visa extremely difficult with the amount of information sharing that goes on between the two countries. Additionally, I think the PR's current status with IRCC would be highlighted in any background search the US would do prior to issuing a visa (or even an ESTA) and would likely result in a refusal. Or is it more a matter that the US wouldn't care?
The person already has US visa. Just wanted to clear my doubts about the repercussions of denial of PR TD on PRs right to enter Canada.
 

steaky

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Not sure how practical that is.....that would be an fairly long, unpleasant boat ride (for the majority of people) in a private boat from Asia, Europe or even Mexico. :)
Just a short ride from Greenland
 

Harry15

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Jun 17, 2015
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A lot of the relevant information can be found in the various Operation Manuals which apply, but that does take doing some homework.

The manuals are linked at the IRCC webpage: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/index.asp

Main ones of import related to this discussion, listed in relative order of importance, are:
ENF 4 Port of Entry Examinations (this was revised as recently as December)
OP 10 Permanent Residency Status Determination (this includes a section about the PR TD application process)
ENF 23 Loss of Permanent Resident Status

More detailed information is also found in
ENF 5 Writing 44(1) Reports
ENF 10 Removals
ENF 27 Permanent Resident Card

Context is important, so it is easier to understand what these manuals prescribe (and limitations on their applicability) if one also does their homework in terms of reviewing some of the IAD decisions (I have linked many of these in other topics), the applicable statutes in IRPA and related regulations, and with due consideration given to anecdotal reports in forums like this. (Personally I also have experience at Canadian PoE crossings going back more than a half century, including a period of several years following 9/11 (and before I finally became a PR) in which, due to personal circumstances, I was the subject of several referrals to Secondary for immigration purposes, and like some others here, I also have binge watched the Border Security television episodes depicting selected and edited but nonetheless actual PoE interactions with travelers.)


Toward an understanding of the context for saying PRs are entitled to enter Canada:

It is a basic part of the system that PRs are entitled to enter Canada. See section 27(1) IRPA http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-7.html#h-19

Thus, as long as a person is a PR, that person is entitled to enter Canada.

A PR can only lose PR status in the specific ways prescribed by statute. These are listed in Section 46(1) IRPA http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-10.html#h-27

The denial of a PR TD is covered by subsection 46(1)(b): "A person loses permanent resident status on a final determination of a decision made outside Canada that they have failed to comply with the residency obligation under section 28"

That decision is NOT final until the time within which an appeal can be made has passed and no appeal has been made. If an appeal is made, that decision is not final until there is a final decision on the appeal (or it is withdrawn).

Thus, pending these contingencies, that is until that decision is final, the PR remains a PR.

Similarly as to the issuance of a 44(1) Report and Departure or Removal Order at a PoE: that does not result in the loss of PR status until the Removal Order "comes into force." see subsection 46(1)(c). The Departure or Removal Order is not enforceable during the period of time in which the PR has a right to appeal (as I recall, this one is 30 days), and if the PR appeals it is not enforceable while the appeal is pending.


Regarding best approach for a particular individual:

There is NO one-rule-fits-all, no general best approach. The best approach for an individual depends on many factors, including the individual's specific history and circumstances.

Some factors are obvious and loom large, such as the extent to which the individual is in breach of the PR RO, the extent to which the individual has H&C reasons which might justify keeping PR status, whether the PR can travel to Canada via the U.S. rather than needing to obtain a PR TD to fly to Canada, to what extent has the PR been established in Canada (such as prior to recent lengthy absence) and the extent of other ties the PR has in Canada. Among many more. Differences in one factor can affect how another factor influences things.

Thus, it can get complicated. The simple part is that once a PR is in breach of the PR RO, the PR is at risk of losing PR status. And whether or not the PR will be able to keep PR status will depend, in significant part, on how persuasive the PR is that he or she deserves to keep PR status.

Great.
Thanks dpenabill.
 

Rob_TO

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The person already has US visa. Just wanted to clear my doubts about the repercussions of denial of PR TD on PRs right to enter Canada.
Long story short, until your PR status is officially revoked you are still determined to be a PR so have the right to enter Canada as one.
 

Ralma

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Oct 31, 2018
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Hi I have a similar case a decision is pending for not full filling the residency obligations which was only 45 days.
Now I am working and my minor child is studying in school we have left Canada two months ago because of a lose of father now can we enter Canada while a decision is pending ?
Will this two months absence be reported in the border to the board who is making the decision
Is it wise to stay out till a decision or go forward
May I ask you to share the experiance you had on your case?
Thanks
 

Harry15

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Jun 17, 2015
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Agreed with Buletruck.
Just for an update, PRTD was issued to the person for whom I posted the question.