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Returning to Dubai after applying for citizenship

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George1978 said:
I think the problem is there are lot of skilled immigrants unemployed or underemployed here.But big companies for their financial benefit declare that they don't have enough skilled people and bring people from outside.So govt records will show that Canada need more skilled people & allow more skilled people to migrate and it again increase the unemployment and under employment.I know qualified Canadian nurses unemployed and at the same time nurses are coming on work permit.Govt should allow only work visa if there is 100% need for that skilled worker.In my country we have employment exchange in each province.If you are unemployed or underemployed you register there.The govt will thus know the status of each skilled jobs.If some thing like that is available in Canada companies cannot make fake skilled worker demand.If some company apply for a nurse telling there is no enough nurse in the province just check the record.If nurses are available reject the application and if there is real demand allow job visa.

Other wise this country will soon be a place full of unemployment and underemployment.

Long back there was an issue with RBC. They gave job visa when there was lot of unemployment here. RBC later apologized.But after 1 month my room mate came on job visa for TD.So immediately after such a controversy TD did that again.

My friend studied here but didn't get a full time job in his profession.To apply for PR he needs that.He got a fake full time job in his profession.But he is paying high price.He is paying tax for the job he really don't have + lawyer fee etc.It comes around $10000 a year.

So I think the new rule will make lot of such fake jobs for getting PR.If you need a full time skilled job in Canada to get PR just pay $10000/year to agent you get PR.A better skilled person who cannot pay $10000/year cannot migrate.

In my home country for private jobs reference do matter.But government jobs are 100% merit. So if you are very skilled and even if you don't have contacts you still will get a govt job.All govt posts are filled by common entrance test.There is a body responsible for such exams.So you score high marks then nobody can deny you the job.

Here even for govt jobs they need contacts.Every year I applied for lot of such jobs(lower level)but nobody calls for interview.Thats so bad.

At least govt jobs should be based on merit.

I am not telling my country is corruption free.There is much more corruption in my country.Thats why I moved here.But there its from Top to bottom.Here its only Top corruption.Common man cannot do any corruption in his country and corporates do a lot.

It should be either no corruption or all corruption.
I can't talk from my personal experience, because I have never been part of the conventional working system here in Canada , but I do talk with many new immigrants who are saying the same things after couple of years here.

Too many people are underemployed nevertheless how many extra courses they have completed here... the good jobs are not easily accessible, because the competition for the next available open position is simply too high.
The universities and colleges keep on spreading the high hopes that after completion of one of their programs the student will find the good job fast... well most of these people ended up again in some low payment position somewhere, but meanwhile they have to pay the student loan.

Canada needs predominantly people for the dirty jobs under the category of the general labour, that's why so many people end up again there.
These people know that if they don't work for some reason, very soon they will be in big trouble, because we see how actually the government helps.

Canada before wasn't in that situation the people before have had much better environment for success , but the reality today is completely different.
I guess that's one of the main reasons why so many people like to go somewhere else after they have the citizenship.
 

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emamabd said:
i think you might be taking it to the far extreme...the intent of bill c-24 is not to "lock" people in canada forever, canada is a "free" country and its citizens remain "free".
That is in fact what the bill is about; "locking" people in/ creating 2 categories of citizens Go and do research on it
 

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era1521 said:
you're really frustrated. the guy you referring to maintained a decent language and did not attack any of those who jumped on his opinion. i'm wondering who's really the trash here. Hmmmm.... mimi; is this a stage name?
Very good observation!
 

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MUFC said:
Canada doesn't give much to help the people... yesterday I was shocked to see that the so called welfare is around 600~700$ a month... and the so called pension is in the same range.
The people have to work hard to contribute more to their survival, just like in every other developed country.

Canada is just giving the tools to work... but the people are those who pay the big bill for their survival.

Nobody anywhere in the world working in the conventional work system actually gets the real payment for their efforts... the people just get a fraction of what they really deserve and they just make the corporations more reach and powerful.

That's why Canada is nothing special for me too, because the system of exploiting the peoples time and productivity is the same everywhere.

The people are making their benefits, because the system deducts many dollars automatically from their payments and at the same time from the rest of the money the people need to make savings for the future.

But the price the people pay is really high, because throughout their working years, they have made the corporations they work for more powerful and rich.

(by the way, thank you era1521 and Donvalley for the understanding... I know that there are more users who also understand my point of view)
Very well said! But unfortunately that is something.that those with a peasant mentality just cannot comprehend or care about.....
 

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George1978 said:
I think the problem is there are lot of skilled immigrants unemployed or underemployed here.But big companies for their financial benefit declare that they don't have enough skilled people and bring people from outside.So govt records will show that Canada need more skilled people & allow more skilled people to migrate and it again increase the unemployment and under employment.I know qualified Canadian nurses unemployed and at the same time nurses are coming on work permit.Govt should allow only work visa if there is 100% need for that skilled worker.In my country we have employment exchange in each province.If you are unemployed or underemployed you register there.The govt will thus know the status of each skilled jobs.If some thing like that is available in Canada companies cannot make fake skilled worker demand.If some company apply for a nurse telling there is no enough nurse in the province just check the record.If nurses are available reject the application and if there is real demand allow job visa.


Other wise this country will soon be a place full of unemployment and underemployment.

Long back there was an issue with RBC. They gave job visa when there was lot of unemployment here. RBC later apologized.But after 1 month my room mate came on job visa for TD.So immediately after such a controversy TD did that again.

My friend studied here but didn't get a full time job in his profession.To apply for PR he needs that.He got a fake full time job in his profession.But he is paying high price.He is paying tax for the job he really don't have + lawyer fee etc.It comes around $10000 a year.

So I think the new rule will make lot of such fake jobs for getting PR.If you need a full time skilled job in Canada to get PR just pay $10000/year to agent you get PR.A better skilled person who cannot pay $10000/year cannot migrate.

In my home country for private jobs reference do matter.But government jobs are 100% merit. So if you are very skilled and even if you don't have contacts you still will get a govt job.All govt posts are filled by common entrance test.There is a body responsible for such exams.So you score high marks then nobody can deny you the job.

Here even for govt jobs they need contacts.Every year I applied for lot of such jobs(lower level)but nobody calls for interview.Thats so bad.

At least govt jobs should be based on merit.

I am not telling my country is corruption free.There is much more corruption in my country.Thats why I moved here.But there its from Top to bottom.Here its only Top corruption.Common man cannot do any corruption in his country and corporates do a lot.

It should be either no corruption or all corruption.




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".Here its only Top corruption.Common man cannot do any corruption in his country and corporates do a lot." So true.......
 

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era1521 said:
Why would you want Canadian Citizenship if you cant have a decent job/life here? Why would you immigrate in the first place.

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This is a problem with the this country and its immigration and labor market systems..Its is not the problem of the individual...
Everybody who comes here wants to get a good job based on his qualifications, but the damn system in this country is broken beyond repair that movies like Dr.Cabbie are produced just to showcase this problem
 

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In the 1970s fresh college graduates in Canada would often be flown, at the prospective employer's cost, across the country for a job interview. Those days are gone. Many of Canada's (and other Western nations') competitive advantages are disappearing. A person with the right professional skill set can find well-paying work almost anywhere in the world today, and the average Canadian, American or Frenchman can no longer expect a standard of living much higher than the rest of the world simply because of his nationality. Immigrants in these countries tend to face even bigger challenges, and I can appreciate the OP's frustration.

It does not follow, however, that a person should be entitled to citizenship if he does not intend to retain any meaningful ties to Canada, and I think there is merit behind the idea of requiring intent to reside in the new Act. I say this as one of the thousands of people who have been stuck for years "in process" because of this government's efforts to address the issue of citizenship of convenience.
 

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Tangents mired in irrelevant rhetoric have dominated this topic for pages, much of it misleading.

It warrants revisiting the actual subject, the actual issue, as posed by the OP George1978:

What if an applicant who meets the APP residency requirement returns to Dubai after applying for citizenship, particularly if the applicant does not have "any relative or close friends" in Canada (to collect mail)?

The reason for leaving is lack of job opportunity in Canada versus job opporunities in Dubai.



This raised a number of issues:

-- CIC mail for applicant residing abroad

-- effect of living abroad on qualification for citizenship

-- how do CIC policies and practices generally affect such an applicant

-- what to do if PR has limited employment opportunities in Canada



Regarding CIC mail for applicant residing abroad:

This was largely answered directly above, that CIC does not send correspondence to addresses abroad. Additionally, it should be noted that while it appears many citizenship applicants do indeed use the address of a close friend or family member as their residential address, and in effect get away with it, CIC requires applicants to declare where they actually live. Mailing addresses are declared separately. Where the applicant is actually living is material information which if it changes, the applicant is required to advise CIC of the change. Many do not. Many who do not, again, in effect get away with it. But for many others, this can and often will lead to problems.

Another aspect of this is that CIC often (if not usually) gives rather short notice for tests and interviews, so short it can be very difficult for someone as far from Canada as Dubai to arrange to return to Canada in time to make the scheduled event. Failure to make the test or interview now requires the applicant to have a satisfactory (to CIC's satisfaction) reason, otherwise the application is deemed abandoned and is terminated. Residing abroad is explicitly not an acceptable reason.

Note too that the interviewer will oft times examine Travel Documents for indications that the applicant has recently returned to Canada from abroad or has status to live or work abroad. This leads to the question of what effect living abroad has on qualification for citizenship.



Regarding effect of living abroad on qualification for citizenship:

Technically, under current law, and for all applications submitted before the Bill C-24 revisions to section 5(1) of the Citizenship Act come into force, time abroad after applying has no direct effect on an individual's qualifications for citizenship. What this means in practice is that if the applicant had at least 1095 days of APP (actual physical presence) as of the day the application is made, being abroad after applying does not (cannot) result in the deduction of any credit from that calculation.

Applications made after the Bill C-24 revisions to section 5(1) of the Citizenship Act come into force will be subject to the oft-called intent-to-reside-in-Canada clause, which really is an intent-to-continue-residing-in-Canada provision, the "continue" term looming large and is perhaps the most important element in the provision.

Contrary to the assertion above that this is about "locking" people in Canada and creating 2 categories of citizens, the intent-to-continue-residing-in-Canada has NO impact on citizens regardless of when they become a citizen, regardless of when they applied to become a citizen.

But it will have a huge impact on applicants in the situation described by the OP George1978, in that residing abroad while the application is pending is overtly in conflict with an intent to continue residing in Canada, and can be grounds for denying the citizenship application.

Thus, for the OP George1978, if the citizenship application is made after this clause comes into force, the move to Dubai after applying would most likely result in the denial of the application.

That does not fully answer what effect moving to Dubai would have if the application is made before the intent clause comes into force, leading to the question: how do CIC policies and practices generally affect such an applicant?




How do CIC policies and practices generally affect an applicant who leaves Canada while the application is pending:

This is largely about applications made before the intent-to-continue-residing-in-Canada provision comes into force, since once that provision is in force the impact of leaving Canada to live or work abroad, while the application is pending, is relatively defined: it will be grounds (or otherwise give CIC what it needs to determine there are grounds) for denying the application.

For current applications, again, there is no direct impact on the residency calculation itself.

There can be, however, a significant, perhaps big impact on how it goes.

Both Leon and CanV answered this early on, echoed in a number of posts by others as well, pointing out that:

Leaving Canada after applying is a big red flag to [CIC] and causes them to believe that you may have lied about days spent in Canada and causes you to get an RQ, having to send additional proof, attend an interview and a long delay in your application.

This is an issue discussed in multiple topics.

This is an impact which is not consistently seen in all cases, but which has had widely varying effects depending on the overall context, circumstances, and other factors involved in the individual case. Some factors can loom large, such as cases in which CIC does not even notice or identify the applicant as someone who has been living or working abroad while the application is pending, or applicants who have been abroad for a clearly temporary purpose consistent with a life otherwise centralized and settled in Canada. In contrast, factors indicating an applicant has minimal ties in Canada, stronger ties abroad, will quite likely draw elevated scrutiny if not skepticism from CIC. In particular, applicants perceived to have applied-on-the-way-to-the-airport, or otherwise appear to be seeking a passport-of-convenience, are very likely to encounter more hurdles, more probing scrutiny, and a highly skeptical assessment of the facts in their case.

There is one fairly recent Federal Court decision in which an applicant clearly met the residency requirement, that is had 1095+ days APP, but due to being abroad while the application was pending was issued RQ and eventually scheduled for a hearing with the Citizenship Judge, and even though she had passed the written knowledge test, the CJ surprised her by retesting her orally, no multiple choice, concluded she failed, and denied citizenship . . . and the Federal Court upheld the denial of citizenship. This illustrates the extent to which CIC is currently targeting applicants who are perceived to be living abroad while the application is pending.




What to do if a PR has limited employment opportunities in Canada:

Tangents related to this issue have dominated much of the subsequent discussion. Bottomline, whether Canada is the place an individual chooses to make his or life is a personal matter. There is no one-rule-fits-all in play. Canada offers great opportunities for some. It offers mediocre opportunities for many, offset by quality-of-life opportunities. But even the quality-of-life opportunities vary greatly depending on individual preferences and circumstances. And for some, the opportunities are far more lucrative elsewhere.

There is no inherent right to citizenship. Apparently not even for those born in Canada (according to a recent decision by Federal Court Justice Rennie, who ruled that even for those born in Canada citizenship is merely a statutorily conferred status), let alone those who immigrate to Canada and become Permanent Residents (I suspect that Justice Rennie's decision was overreaching, and this aspect of his ruling will not be considered binding law, but that is the most current judicial decision on the issue).

There is absolutely nothing that locks anyone into living in Canada. Of course, many are precluded from living elsewhere due to lack of status in that other place. But there is no Canadian law which requires anyone living in Canada to remain living in Canada (well, those who are incarcerated for criminal offenses cannot just leave).

Sure, there are consequences for leaving Canada. Loss of health care benefits for example. Or loss of PR status if the PR Residency Obligation is breached. Incapacity to become a citizen if a PR leaves for a period of time which precludes meeting the residency requirement for citizenship. And so on. None of these lock a person into Canada. They are personal choices. The consequences are apparent, so there is no trick or deceit in play. And for the most part they make sense: why would a country grant citizenship to someone with minimal ties to the country and who does not even live in the country? Same as for health care benefits.



Overall and Bottomline:

Leaving Canada after applying is overtly discouraged by multiple policies employed by CIC.

After the revised residency requirements adopted in Bill C-24 come into force, leaving Canada to live or work abroad will be a direct basis upon which to deny an application for citizenship.

In the meantime, the applicant who goes abroad to live or work while the citizenship application is pending does so at his or her risk, the risk of elevated scrutiny (including RQ), delays in processing (including long queues for a hearing), and perhaps CIC's skepticism in assessing the facts (which can go so far as to conclude that the applicant has not proven residency, resulting in the denial of the application).
 

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bambino said:
In the 1970s fresh college graduates in Canada would often be flown, at the prospective employer's cost, across the country for a job interview. Those days are gone. Many of Canada's (and other Western nations') competitive advantages are disappearing. ...
Even back in 1997-1998 companies were coming at your home to interview you for a job. With the right skill set you truly were in position to choose a position. Those days are gone too :(
 

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era1521 said:
Even back in 1997-1998 companies were coming at your home to interview you for a job. With the right skill set you truly were in position to choose a position. Those days are gone too :(
With 7+ billion population on this planet and growing every year ~90 million what we should expect to have?? :)
If one has a job now which pays all his bills and gives him piece of mind, one must stick to it and hold it firmly.
 

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ADUFE said:
That is in fact what the bill is about; "locking" people in/ creating 2 categories of citizens Go and do research on it
i already did, and that's my understanding. But of course each person is entitled to his "own" interpretation of the law.
 

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emamabd said:
i already did, and that's my understanding. But of course each person is entitled to his "own" interpretation of the law.
Actually, it is not my "own" interpretation of it... Here's what CANADIAN LAWYERS have to say about it

https://bccla.org/2014/05/challenging-misinformation-canadian-citizenship-law-explained/



Challenging Misinformation: Canadian Citizenship Law Explained
Posted on May 31, 2014 by BCCLA

The BCCLA is grateful to the Canadian Association of Refugee Lawyers, which wrote the original piece that we have adapted below.

ButtonOn February 6, 2014, the federal government tabled Bill C-24, introducing sweeping changes to Canada’s citizenship laws. In our view, this new law will turn Canadian citizenship law upside down, and take away one of the key features of Canadian citizenship: its permanence. The government’s statements in support of Bill C-24 appear to the BCCLA to perpetuate a number of myths and inaccuracies. The circulation of these myths and inaccuracies is one of the biggest barriers to understanding the highly problematic effects of this proposed legislation. This page highlights some of the proposed law’s key provisions in order to to correct the record and provide accurate information. For more detailed information about Bill C-24, please see the Canadian Association of Refugee Lawyers’ excellent legal primer.

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What does citizenship mean?

Citizenship is the badge of membership in a political democracy. It forms the foundation of political community, of political rights, and of identity. Not only does citizenship entail special legal rights through our laws and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but it also has strong implications for feelings of identity and membership that make up the character of a nation. It forms the basis for the relationship between members of a society and their state, as well as members of a society and each other.

Citizens, collectively, form the state. The concept that citizens constitute the state provides the foundation for the rights of citizens to vote, to have access to government records and to express themselves freely. In this way, citizenship is perhaps the single most fundamental political right, forming the basis for all others.

Citizenship is not a licence the government can revoke for misbehaviour
Citizenship stripping is not commonplace in other countries. Bill C-24 makes Canada an outlier among western states
It is the role of the criminal justice system, not elected officials, to punish people for wrongdoing
The new law does not just target criminal wrongdoers; it poses a serious threat to the rights of all Canadians
Citizenship is not a privilege; it is an interest fundamental to full membership in Canadian society
The new law greatly reduces due-process rights, replacing fair judicial process with Ministerial discretion
The new law diminishes the ties non-permanent residents have established in Canada
The new law does not adequately ensure citizens maintain strong ties to Canada
The new law does not strengthen or protect the value of Canadian citizenship; it diminishes it

1. Citizenship is not a licence the government can revoke for misbehaviour

Bill C-24 proposes to give the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration the authority to strip dual nationals of Canadian citizenship in certain circumstances. Stripping a person of citizenship is an arbitrary and medieval practice that serves no valid purpose, and is inconsistent with basic notions of justice as outlined in Canadian law.

The words of United States Chief Justice Earl Warren remain as true today as they were in 1958: “Citizenship is not a license that expires upon misbehavior . . . And the deprivation of citizenship is not a weapon that the government may use to express its displeasure at a citizen’s conduct, however reprehensible that conduct may be.”

In fact, the courts have recognized that taking away citizenship is a violation of a person’s constitutional rights. The cluster of citizenship-related rights, ties and obligations amount to a legal and political status which has serious enough implications to engage section 7 of the Charter. As explained by Justice Martineau in his recent judgment in the Taylor case, “A person’s right to security (such as obtaining state protection) and liberty of movement is inextricably linked with his national, or as the case may be, his citizenship status. Nationality and citizenship are so intimately attached to an individual that I am ready to accept that any deprivation or loss of nationality or citizenship by an act of the state – whether or not it renders someone ‘stateless’ – engages an individual’s rights to ‘liberty’ and ‘security of the person.” (Taylor v Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration), 2006 FC 1053 at para 232.).

2. Citizenship stripping is not commonplace in other countries. Bill C-24 makes Canada an outlier among western states

The federal government has claimed that citizenship stripping is commonplace in other countries, and that the new law “brings Canada in line with most of our peer countries”. This is inaccurate. In fact, the only western state to make use of this practice in the last few years is the United Kingdom, and it is an outlier whose use of it should serve as a cautionary tale. Citizenship stripping has been unconstitutional in the United States for over 50 years.

3. It is the role of the criminal justice system, not elected officials, to punish people for wrongdoing

The new law proposes to give elected officials the power to strip Canadian citizenship of people who commit a handful of very serious criminal acts. These acts include treason and terrorism. Obviously the BCCLA shares the goal of a Canada that is safe from the threat of terrorism, or from those who seek to use violence against Canada and Canadians. But it is not the job of elected officials and government bureaucrats to punish people for such acts. Canadian law already has established mechanisms by which to punish criminal wrongdoers. It is obviously the job of Canada’s criminal justice system to deal effectively with individuals who violate the law. We have the benefit of a modern judicial process that includes prosecution, trial before an independent judge and, in the event of conviction, a just punishment that achieves the goals of deterrence, retribution, denunciation and rehabilitation.. We do not need to throw Canada back to the dark ages and revive the medieval practice of banishment as a way of punishing people.

4. The new law does not just target criminal wrongdoers; it poses a serious threat to the rights of all Canadians

The new law allows the Minister to revoke citizenship if he believes citizens did not have the intention to live in Canada when they applied for citizenship. This means that Canadian citizens could be stripped of their citizenship without a hearing, if they move to another country to be with a dying relative, to live with their children, or to pursue a business, academic, or other employment opportunity.

5. Citizenship is not a privilege; it is an interest fundamental to full membership in Canadian society

In support of the new law, Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Chris Alexander has stated that “citizenship is not a right, it is a privilege”. This is inaccurate. When a Canadian is born here, she has the right of citizenship. When a Canadian is naturalized as a citizen, she acquires the full rights of being a Canadian citizen.

Canadian courts have long recognized that citizenship is foundational to one’s membership in Canadian society. The Supreme Court of Canada, for example, has stated that it “could not imagine an interest more fundamental to full membership in Canadian society than Canadian citizenship”. The Federal Court of Canada has similarly stated that citizenship “constitutes both a fundamental social institution and a basic aspect of full membership in Canadian society”. The Ontario Superior Court of Justice has also held that the revocation of citizenship clearly triggers the protection of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Canada has also pledged its commitment to the aspirational rights outlined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states that everyone has a right to a nationality, and that no one shall be arbitrarily deprived of nationality.

6. The new law greatly reduces due-process rights, replacing fair judicial process with Ministerial discretion

Under Canada’s current laws, citizenship can only be removed after a hearing before a judge. Under the new law, the Minister will, in most cases, make this decision without a hearing. Bill C-24 intends to remove the right of citizens to appeal to the courts. Instead, a person whose citizenship is revoked will have to apply to the Federal Court for permission to start an appeal. It is likely that in many cases, the Federal Court will be reluctant to disagree with the Minister’s assessment of the evidence so the scope of any review by the Courts will be very limited.

7. The new law diminishes the ties non-permanent residents have established in Canada

The federal government has stated that the new law will “ensure citizenship applicants maintain strong ties to Canada”. Under the new law, a person who applies for citizenship will not be able to count time spent in Canada as a non-permanent resident towards his/her citizenship application. There is no reason why time spent as a non-permanent resident should not count towards citizenship. If the idea behind imposing wait time for citizens is to ensure that citizenship applicants have lived in Canada, it should make no difference that the applicant was in Canada with some other form of status other than permanent residence status (for example, as a student). This proposed change would also adversely impact refugees, who often have to wait for years to obtain permanent residence in Canada.

Creating a longer wait time for people who have otherwise duly applied and qualified for citizenship merely creates an unnecessary barrier to people accessing the full rights of citizenship.

8. The new law does not adequately ensure citizens maintain strong ties to Canada

The federal government has stated that the new law reinforces the value of Canadian citizenship. The new law introduces a requirement that persons who apply for citizenship must show intent to reside in Canada after they obtain citizenship. Of course, the government may legitimately encourage present and future Canadians to reside in Canada. But that’s not what this provision does. Rather, it empowers government officials to speculate on an applicant’s future intentions, and then potentially deny them citizenship on the basis of that conjecture – without a shred of evidence. It also holds out the implicit threat that if a naturalized Canadian citizen takes up a job somewhere else (as many Canadians do), or forms a relationship with someone abroad (as many Canadians do), the government may move to strip him/her of citizenship for supposedly “misrepresenting” their intention to reside in Canada when they were granted citizenship. Whether the government acts on the threat is not the issue; it is enough that people will be made insecure and apprehensive by the possibility that a government official may arbitrarily decide to launch revocation proceedings against them if they leave Canada too soon, or remain away too long.

9. The new law does not strengthen or protect the value of Canadian citizenship; it diminishes it

The federal government has stated that the new law will protect the value of Canadian citizenship. This is patently untrue. The value of Canadian citizenship does not lie in cruelly depriving some citizens of their most basic rights, or in drawing distinctions that represent new Canadians as objects of suspicion and mistrust. Instead, the value of Canadian citizenship lies in a commitment to rights protection, equality, dignity, and multiculturalism, as outlined in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. As Canadians, we make our citizenship feeble if we give government ministers the power to extinguish it. The value of Canadian citizenship is diminished – not enhanced – by the new law proposed by the government.
For all these reasons, we are calling on Canadians to stand up against Bill C-24. Show your support for equal citizenship.
 

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ADUFE said:
Actually, it is not my "own" interpretation of it... Here's what CANADIAN LAWYERS have to say about it

https://bccla.org/2014/05/challenging-misinformation-canadian-citizenship-law-explained/
Fair enough, well these guys make the rules here, and that's what Canada can/will offer to "new canadians"....its up to us then to take it or leave it.
 

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Actually, there is a 3rd option for those who, thankfully, believe in fundamental human rights..