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Returned application - Missing ID

guddylover

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For purposes of this topic, it appears the problem is rooted in the fact that a PR card does NOT constitute a form of identification.


Overall, I agree with this:



with some clarification.

A copy of the bio page of ALL passports (valid or otherwise usable at any time within the preceding five years) must be submitted, which is a requirement separate from the requirement to submit personal identification.

Prior application process also required, in addition to passport copies, one government issued ID-with-photo and a second form of identification with or without photograph.

Current application requires only one additional photo ID so long as the applicant has submitted a copy of the bio-page of a recently valid passport (with photo); if the applicant has no such passport, the applicant needs to submit two government issued photo IDs.

Admittedly, the application checklist and instructions are not as clear as they could or should be, including as to the requirement to submit identification with the application.

It is curious, and perhaps a source of confusion, that in the instructions about what documents to submit with the application, references to what to submit if one has or does not have a passport are bulleted separately, at the same level as the instructions to submit the presence calculation, all travel documents, photos, and so on, including "Photocopy of personal identification," rather than, say, having the identification requires depending on passport/no-passport sub-bulleted under the the latter, the item "Photocopy of personal identification," particularly since there is only one corresponding item in the checklist itself (which, again, is the "Photocopy of personal identification" item).



PR cards are not a form of identification. Apparently.

While IRCC variably labels the PR card in different contexts, in the citizenship application instructions the PRC is referred to as an "immigration document." In other contexts, and in IRPA and related regulations, it is referred to as a "status document," and in IRCC's glossary it is referred to as a "Permanent residence document." By the way, PRCs are not actually "travel documents" either, even though they must be presented by PRs in conjunction with a valid travel document, usually a passport, to obtain permission to board a flight to Canada, and in the regulations governing who commercial carriers may allow to board transportation to Canada, may be referenced under provisions specifying required travel documents.

Perhaps one source of confusion is that other entities, even government bodies, will accept the PRC as a form of identification, ranging from banks to provincial authorities managing health care or drivers' licensing. And the PRC is government issued, bears the PR's name, DoB, and photograph, and has security features, and thus on its face factually (whether or not by law) fully documents the individual's identity.

And that confusion is exacerbated by the lack of any clear instruction that the PR card is not accepted as one of the required forms of identification. (While it is otherwise NOT listed among items which are accepted as identification, that is only in an appendix to the guide, which contains instructions for persons requesting a change of sex designation.)

In contrast, however, so far as I see there is nothing in the information or instructions provided by IRCC, regarding citizenship applications, which suggests let alone states that a PR card is a form of identification.

Note, for example, it is not listed among "some" of the "documents that can be used to establish identity" for purposes of citizenship. See http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/cit/admin/id/accept-documents.asp (But it is also not listed as a document which is not accepted.)

The PR card is similarly NOT listed as a form of identification in the PDI covering identity documents which may be presented to establish identity at a citizenship interview, hearing, or test. See http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/cit/admin/id/test-documents.asp

Overall, it is apparent that a PR card is not accepted as a form of identification for a citizenship application.



Proof of PR status:

Some of the confusion may derive from the fact that an applicant no longer needs to submit a copy of the CoPR or a copy of the applicant's PR card. Both of these were required pursuant to older application processes. However, they were required to establish the applicant's PR status.

For proof of PR status, the current application process only requires the applicant to submit (this is item 4 in the application):
-- the applicant's Client ID# (UCI) as shown exactly on the applicant's "most recent immigration document"
-- the applicant's name as shown exactly on the applicant's most recent immigration document
-- the applicant's date of birth as shown exactly on the applicant's most recent immigration document
-- the date the applicant became a PR of Canada

For the overwhelming vast majority of applicants, this means precisely this same information in the applicant's most recently issued PR card, noting that "immigration document" is defined to be the applicant's PR card, CoPR, or Record of Landing.

In any event, it appears for sure that NO copy of the PR card needs to be submitted with the application itself.

In this regard, it warrants observing there were also changes made to the regulations which took effect October 11. The current regulation prescribes that the application must include "any document created by the Canadian immigration authorities, or other evidence, that establishes the date on which the applicant became a permanent resident" (for Citizenship Regulations, No. 2 Regulation 2(1)(b) see http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2015-124/page-1.html#h-2

The "or other evidence" element, which was added to the version of this regulation taking effect on October 11, is undoubtedly intended to be satisfied by the inclusion of the information outlined above (UCI, name, DoB, date of landing), to be listed in item 4 in the application.

Thus, even though terms like "document" and "evidence" typically refer to something other than information attested to by the applicant, the concurrence of this change in the Regulations with dropping the CoPR and PR card from the checklist makes it apparent this was deliberate and indeed no copy of the PR card needs to be submitted.

Caution: The PDIs for citizenship still indicate that the applicant needs to bring a copy of his or her CoPR AND PR card to the test or interview. See http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/cit/admin/id/test-documents.asp
First, thanks for the writeup. I understand when you say a PRC is not listed in the accept and its also not listed in the not accepted. But remember they said that the listed of the accepted form of ID is not limited to the list below, meaning there could be some other form of ID. But again, the listed of the not accepted is affirmative, nothing like 'not limited to...' As for me, I submitted PRC and Alberta health card, I have a valid Alberta drivers license but I chose not to use it because of the address, I have heard all sorts of stories about CIC frowning about the current home address being diff. Then I made another copy of my valid travel document to serve as personal ID since they listed it as part of the accepted list of identity document. I haven't gotten AOR and so is so many others that sent the 'proper ID'
 
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guddylover

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Any other applicant got their application returned because they used a permanent residence card as a form of identification?
 

N_O

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Any other applicant got their application returned because they used a permanent residence card as a form of identification?
Yes, there was a minor application returned for the same reason. His/her parents only submitted a copy of the valid passport and the PRC. I came to conclusion that day that PRC is only counted as an immigration document. They needed an extra piece of ID for the child, e.g. Health Card.
 

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First, thanks for the writeup. I understand when you say a PRC is not listed in the accept and its also not listed in the not accepted. But remember they said that the listed of the accepted form of ID is not limited to the list below, meaning there could be some other form of ID. But again, the listed of the not accepted is affirmative, nothing like 'not limited to...' As for me, I submitted PRC and Alberta health card, I have a valid Alberta drivers license but I chose not to use it because of the address, I have heard all sorts of stories about CIC frowning about the current home address being diff. Then I made another copy of my valid travel document to serve as personal ID since they listed it as part of the accepted list of identity document. I haven't gotten AOR and so is so many others that sent the 'proper ID'
I would say your passport and health card are counted 2 IDs. You only need one photo ID (Passport or DL).
 

stshayesteh

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Yes, there was a minor application returned for the same reason. His/her parents only submitted a copy of the valid passport and the PRC. I came to conclusion that day that PRC is only counted as an immigration document. They needed an extra piece of ID for the child, e.g. Health Card.
I thought the checklist for minors specifically asks for 2 IDs in addition to passport?
 

stshayesteh

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For purposes of this topic, it appears the problem is rooted in the fact that a PR card does NOT constitute a form of identification.
Thank you for the explanation. It makes total sense. I would have never thought PRC is not a form of Identification, but apparently that's how IRCC sees it. I wish they were more clear in their instructions or checklist or even their return letter!
 

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I thought the checklist for minors specifically asks for 2 IDs in addition to passport?
Right, but most of the minors under 16 years don't have a photo ID but their passport or PRC (if it was counted). People submit (PP + PRC) and Health Card usually.
 
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I really dont know whats up at cic i mean he followed instructions to the bone. Sucks applying the first day and now back logged thats the worst. Am still taking my time before i submit been due since OCT 11 but i have just been waiting to hear what is needed or not needed are the officers even going by documents needed on the website. Safe to say including extra documents helps.
 
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lofoten82

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the checklist is pretty clear. it must be something else. did they send the application under the new or old rules? PR is an ID...

  • photocopies of all valid and expired passports or travel documents you had in the past 5 years. If you don’t have these documents or there are gaps in time between travel documents, we will ask for an explanation.
  • if you didn’t have a passport in the past 5 years:
    • photocopies of 2 pieces of government issued identification with your name, date of birth and photograph
  • if you had a passport in the past 5 years:
    • photocopies of 1 piece of government issued identification with your name, date of birth and photograp
 

stshayesteh

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the checklist is pretty clear. it must be something else. did they send the application under the new or old rules? PR is an ID...

  • photocopies of all valid and expired passports or travel documents you had in the past 5 years. If you don’t have these documents or there are gaps in time between travel documents, we will ask for an explanation.
  • if you didn’t have a passport in the past 5 years:
    • photocopies of 2 pieces of government issued identification with your name, date of birth and photograph
  • if you had a passport in the past 5 years:
    • photocopies of 1 piece of government issued identification with your name, date of birth and photograp
We sent under new rule and exactly same checklist as you mentioned.
We sent all pages of passport (current and old) and both sides of PR. We did follow the instructions!
 

dpenabill

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I confess that it does not make a whole lot of sense to me that a PR card is not accepted as one of required forms of identification. Its security features are more robust than drivers licenses and health insurance cards.

But, it was over four years ago when I applied, two generations of citizenship requirements ago one might note, and at that time I think it was generally understood the PR card would not be accepted as one of the required forms of identification. As I recall, the issue then was whether or not a passport could be used. I do not recall what the consensus was. I do know I provided two forms of identification in addition to a copy of the bio-pages of my passport and a copy of my PR card.

For current applications, it is now apparent (almost even if not quite certain) that a passport can be one of the two forms of identification required.

For current applications, it is now just as apparent (again, almost even if not quite certain) that the PR card is not accepted as a form of identification. Even if that really makes little sense.

It would make more sense if IRCC explicitly stated this, as I can understand there are probably reasons for it. But those reasons are not so much about the reliability of the document in terms of establishing identity (a PR card seems, to me, to be about as secure a document establishing identity as any), but about requiring identification from some other government body. Even in this, however, any immigrant's Canadian government issued form of identification would ordinarily be based on a passport and the PR card. So what's the diff?

Sometimes it is simply difficult to understand why a bureaucracy does what it does, recognizing bureaucracy is what bureaucracy does. Best we can do is to chart what appears to be the best routes to navigate the process. For this issue, that suggests submitting a form of identification other than the PR card in addition to a copy of the bio-pages of a valid passport.
 

gommi

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One of my friend applied for his child with passport copy & health card as identification docs and he has received AOR already...
 

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PR card fulfills their requirement of ID with name/DOB height etc. I have also sent PR Card and copies of PP ( issued here in Canada ) and old Expired.
I am yet to receive AOR as it reached on Oct 19
 

CA17CA

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I am just wondering guys if the general IELTS test certificate is an ID? It shows the photo, name, and DOB