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Refusal based on Asian Discrimination and Intent

steaky

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I just noticed something, since my wife passport and visa expires in May 2022, I am guessing that the inland procedure will go beyond that time frame. What happens then? Will she be illegal in Canada? The other thing is that if we enter via tourist and we have all of our stuff with us, can they refuse at the Canadian border when we enter? This is another thing that I'm getting worried about. All these signs are pointing me to forget about Canada and remain in Thailand lol
It doesn't matter the visa expires in May 2022, as long as she entered Canada before the expiry date. If there is no date on the entry stamp, then usually that means she can stay up to 6 months. By the end of 6 months stay, she will need to extend her stay until she get her COPR document. While she is waiting for IRCC approval for the outcome of the extension, she is legal in Canada. As a returning Canadian, you can claim all the stuff is yours when you enter.
 

armoured

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I just noticed something, since my wife passport and visa expires in May 2022, I am guessing that the inland procedure will go beyond that time frame. What happens then? Will she be illegal in Canada? The other thing is that if we enter via tourist and we have all of our stuff with us, can they refuse at the Canadian border when we enter? This is another thing that I'm getting worried about. All these signs are pointing me to forget about Canada and remain in Thailand lol
One warning: the 'standard' line or advice when travelling is that one should have six months or more validity on travel docs when entering a country. (As a side note, IRCC explicitly says that when passport is submitted for COPR, passport should have twelve months validity - so you really hadn't been planning ahead much. Not an accusation...)

I do not know how strict CBSA is about this - I suspect not very BUT that would be different is she travelled to Canada in, say, late April (compared to August - more than six months validity remaining - or even December). If she were to arrive the day before her visa and passport expired - expect problems, because if it's impossible for her to travel out of Canada, it's clear she would not be likely to not over-stay.

I also do not know about the issue of replacing a passport as an inland applicant, or how to extend TRV with a new passport (assuming she can get a new passport from the Thai Embassy in Canada - some countries have very specific requirements). You'll have to look into that; I presume you are not the first to have this situation, but at minimum it would be an extra thing you'll have to take care of - by both getting a new passport issued and advising IRCC and having the TRV status 'carried over' to the new passport. (And note: IRCC will require applicants to have valid passports to complete the process - exceptions are only cases like refugees who cannot get passports, as far as I"m aware.)
 

armoured

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I am starting to think it might not be worth it for me to go back anymore. I have a good job here, pay 13% taxes, she is a Senior Accountant here so she will be struggling out there plus she can't work for a good 3-4 months. I think it's a big gamble to go to Canada like this. We were very keen but now this Singapore "officer just crushed our dreams and intentions to contribute to the wonderful Canadian life.
You do see the irony here? You thought you'd provided a lot of information but now that you see the level of commitment it actually means to move, you're reconsidering?

I'm not making any judgment, mind; but that's (at least in part) why the provision in law exists and is required (even if level of attention varies over time). Historically some applicants - more perhaps from some regions than others - treated it as a sort of 'residence status of convenience;' and it's intended for the purposes of settling in Canada permanently. (Hence permanent residence).

Anyways, I just need to vent right now as it has been putting strain in the household and we can't go out as covid cases are high in Thailand. I am writing down all my frustrations down!
Understood and understandable. Take your time and work out how you wish to proceed, it is a big commitment.
 

hollafame

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You do see the irony here? You thought you'd provided a lot of information but now that you see the level of commitment it actually means to move, you're reconsidering?

I'm not making any judgment, mind; but that's (at least in part) why the provision in law exists and is required (even if level of attention varies over time). Historically some applicants - more perhaps from some regions than others - treated it as a sort of 'residence status of convenience;' and it's intended for the purposes of settling in Canada permanently. (Hence permanent residence).

Yes, I am very indecisive because if I were to move now, she is not covered, she will not be working and I will be the sole earner and also, I don't even know how she will fare with the French, the cold so now that she is not a PR, she will not have the same benefits of enjoying Canada as she were to be a PR. Also, are Canadian companies actually hiring people without meeting them? If this is the case, it has changed a lot since I lived there.

It's causing a lot of distress with all parties involved including my family back at home and now it's super covid times in Thailand so we are locked down :(

Ok, I was thinking of another plan. I know the inland plan seems the most sure but it will take a long time and we are planning on having a baby soon and I would rather have her covered under health insurance so how about I re-apply for the outland process now, move to Canada in November 2021 (with 180 days left on her visa,) then by the time she gets the baby, she would have the PR approved and I would have already found a job and thus have all the documents showing that my intent is there (ETA June 2022). Or, does outland process get cancelled out once we land in Canada?

I feel like I am overthinking and am actually questioning now if do really want to go back to Canada after all the fussiness and stress happening in life right now lol Thank you guys for listening me to vent once again. And feel free to criticize me, I know I deserve it.

Understood and understandable. Take your time and work out how you wish to proceed, it is a big commitment.
It is, cost of living in Canada is way higher also there and having less income, higher expenses is stressful.
 

Western Mountain Man

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It is, cost of living in Canada is way higher also there and having less income, higher expenses is stressful.
Everyone has different circumstances at some point and you should consider your options carefully.

If you re-apply outland that will give you some/lots of time to figure things out or you can jump-ship now and hope for the best during covid times.
Either way it's going to cost and there are no guarantees what IRCC will do as you have already found out....... What does your wife want to do?
The environment here is much different than Thailand!
 
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canuck78

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Yes, i got the sponsorship approval directly to me. All I can say is overload them with so much evidence that they won't be able to refuse you. I thought that's what I did and I was almost 99.9% I would not get refused but lo and behold.

I am starting to think it might not be worth it for me to go back anymore. I have a good job here, pay 13% taxes, she is a Senior Accountant here so she will be struggling out there plus she can't work for a good 3-4 months. I think it's a big gamble to go to Canada like this. We were very keen but now this Singapore "officer just crushed our dreams and intentions to contribute to the wonderful Canadian life.

Not to mention, we plan on having a baby but all this setback is going to make it a costly move to go back. Does anyone know if she will be covered to give birth? My guess is no.

Anyways, I just need to vent right now as it has been putting strain in the household and we can't go out as covid cases are high in Thailand. I am writing down all my frustrations down!
Depends on the province. Goes from no coverage in Ontario to coverage in Alberta if you commit to live in Alberta for the first 12 months at a minimum.
 

MJSPARV

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Depends on the province. Goes from no coverage in Ontario to coverage in Alberta if you commit to live in Alberta for the first 12 months at a minimum.
And the Atlantic provinces (NB, NS, PEI) will give it to the spouse of a citizen there on a visitor visa if they've applied for PR. (Doesn't seem to be a 12 month residency obligation either.) The province we're in requires proof that you submitted a PR application to IRCC. Generally speaking, you can call the health department or Service (insert province here) speak to the health card folks and get a definitive answer to if your situation is covered and what documents you'd need. Too my husband 15 minutes to call three provinces and get that info
 
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canuck78

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And the Atlantic provinces (NB, NS, PEI) will give it to the spouse of a citizen there on a visitor visa if they've applied for PR. (Doesn't seem to be a 12 month residency obligation either.) The province we're in requires proof that you submitted a PR application to IRCC. Generally speaking, you can call the health department or Service (insert province here) speak to the health card folks and get a definitive answer to if your situation is covered and what documents you'd need. Too my husband 15 minutes to call three provinces and get that info
That may only be due to covid. Similar change in BC but not sure if this will all remain although there is still an up to 3 month wait period in BC still in place before you get coverage.. The change to show spouses are covered after applying for PR isn't on any published info so good chance it is temporary but we'll need to wait and see.
 

Western Mountain Man

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That may only be due to covid. Similar change in BC but not sure if this will all remain although there is still an up to 3 month wait period in BC still in place before you get coverage.. The change to show spouses are covered after applying for PR isn't on any published info so good chance it is temporary but we'll need to wait and see.
B.C. has a 2-step process for MSP coverage after the PR has landed that can take up to 3 months.
At present there are no deals and you will have to purchase private insurance to be covered for that time.

You can get a free Covid shot through public health without MSP after your 14-day quarantine.
There is approx. 1-2-week wait for the vaccination depending on supply after you register.
 

canuck78

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B.C. has a 2-step process for MSP coverage after the PR has landed that can take up to 3 months.
At present there are no deals and you will have to purchase private insurance to be covered for that time.

You can get a free Covid shot through public health without MSP after your 14-day quarantine.
There is approx. 1-2-week wait for the vaccination depending on supply after you register.
Access to MSP after proving that you applied for sponsorship is relatively new. It's unclear if this is temporary due to covid.
 

canuck78

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It is, cost of living in Canada is way higher also there and having less income, higher expenses is stressful.
If you do move to Quebec and get pregnant soon after arriving you may not have RAMQ before your spouse has the baby so you will need to be prepared to pay out of pocket or delay pregnancy.
 

govindkori

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What discrimination is he talking about ? The fastest PRs Speed Test that I have ever seen were from Philippine. Recently I was telling to my wife that IRCC likes migrants from Philippine lol
 
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Huntingwhale

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I just read this thread and I laughed when I saw 99% refusal rate from Asian countries. LOL. Not sure if OP has noticed the dominant group of immigrants in Canada that originate from Asia.

Sounds more so like the lawyer is a complete jackass who is scamming OP's situation. Charging him those prices and filling his head with nonsense to take advantage of him and string him along.

OP's lawyer is a dick, plain and simple.
 

k.h.p.

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Access to MSP after proving that you applied for sponsorship is relatively new. It's unclear if this is temporary due to covid.
Access to MSP after providing proof of PR application has been in the MSP regulations for at least 10 years now. In the past five years the language was broadened to allow temporary residents applying outland to apply. I FOI'd the regulations because they seemed inconsistent and have the manual.