My passport was seized when I applied for asylum. However, I received it back after becoming a permanent resident by Etobicoke IRCC.
It means I have a valid national passport.
Refugee Travel Document - Questions and Answers
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It means I have a valid national passport.
Thank you! It’s more clear now.
Should I select yes this part and enclose my national passport in folder?
will they seize it again if send it them?
Do you have any valid travel document or passport from any country other than Canada?
O Yes, enclose the document (original only). If no longer in yourpossession, explain why.
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there are a few things here:
1. technically you can only have a passport or a RTD in your possession as a valid travel document, that's why during your RTD application they are asking for the original travel document
2. will they seize it again? yes, they will, until you decide to give up on using RTD and to request the passport back
3. should you use your passport to travel? well first of all, probly should not to your home country which i assume you have already known, but to other countries, yes it's completely up to you to decide. IRCC and CBSA are two different entities, when IRCC says it's up to you it doesn't mean CBSA is indifferent too. i know some people using their home country passports to travel to some 3rd countries and back without issue, but it's entirely up to the CBSA agent and their mood on that particular day when they see you. in theory they can say "oh you are using your home country passport, so that must mean you give up the protection, fine let me forfeit your pr card", or they can simply wave you pass.
4. what to do next? i'd say just give CBSA a call, let's say you are driving to the us, google the CBSA border station phone number at that crossing, call them, explain the situation nicely and they will let you know, if they say, that's fine, maybe it's fine, but if they say, no you should always use RTD, then better safe than sorry.
Should I select yes this part and enclose my national passport in folder?
will they seize it again if send it them?
Do you have any valid travel document or passport from any country other than Canada?
O Yes, enclose the document (original only). If no longer in yourpossession, explain why.
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there are a few things here:
1. technically you can only have a passport or a RTD in your possession as a valid travel document, that's why during your RTD application they are asking for the original travel document
2. will they seize it again? yes, they will, until you decide to give up on using RTD and to request the passport back
3. should you use your passport to travel? well first of all, probly should not to your home country which i assume you have already known, but to other countries, yes it's completely up to you to decide. IRCC and CBSA are two different entities, when IRCC says it's up to you it doesn't mean CBSA is indifferent too. i know some people using their home country passports to travel to some 3rd countries and back without issue, but it's entirely up to the CBSA agent and their mood on that particular day when they see you. in theory they can say "oh you are using your home country passport, so that must mean you give up the protection, fine let me forfeit your pr card", or they can simply wave you pass.
4. what to do next? i'd say just give CBSA a call, let's say you are driving to the us, google the CBSA border station phone number at that crossing, call them, explain the situation nicely and they will let you know, if they say, that's fine, maybe it's fine, but if they say, no you should always use RTD, then better safe than sorry.
With all due respect, this is all guesswork and luck (like playing lotto or bingo)... Depending on the law, case law, and logic, using, renewing, or applying for a country of origin against which international protection was obtained constitutes in itself proof that you have again claimed the protection of your country of origin = game over according to the rules of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act. End of the story.
Now, that a few agents, out of laziness or approximation, let this pass without consequences does not mean that it is allowed, not at all... The worst could even happen later, during your citizenship application, or simply afterwards without your you make it: ALL the flights are recorded, and the airlines are OBLIGED to transfer BEFORE the flights are carried out the list of passengers, their names, ... AND the type of travel document, the issuing country, and the number of this document: Do not think that if Canada does not apply an exit stamp that it means that it is not recorded and supervised: cbsa (Canada Border Services Agency) has ALL the information concerning you, and concerning all those entering AND LEAVING Canada.
Do you know Murphy's law, the precautionary principle? ...
If you want to bet and gamble your status in Canada, that's up to you.... Don't cry when the court summons you to revoke your permanent residence or refugee status.
You shouldnt use your country of persecution passport to travel to any country.. Its not about "its up to you", it is considered as re-availment. Calling agent over the phone is not a legal excuse when things go south, or I know someone who used it and nothing happen.
i know how to read terms and conditions, and according the IRCC/CBSA terms and conditions, you are right about using home country passport can be considered as reavailment, but that's not the point i want to make.
the point is, does "using home country passport" automatically equal to an immediate ban to Canada and forfeiture of PR status? if you say yes, then that's the end of the discussion, if the answer is "not always", then is it allowed for someone to know a bit more about the different situations that can lead to different outcomes, what are the associated risks, can one tolerate that risk in exchange for an action they are fully aware of the consequences? if they indeed can tolerate, then it's "up to you".
how to do that? one can ask here, which there are plenty responses, all good info, but is it okay to ask CBSA to get a 2nd opinion and help with the decision making process? should one be prosecuted just for asking a hypothetical question?
the point is, does "using home country passport" automatically equal to an immediate ban to Canada and forfeiture of PR status? if you say yes, then that's the end of the discussion, if the answer is "not always", then is it allowed for someone to know a bit more about the different situations that can lead to different outcomes, what are the associated risks, can one tolerate that risk in exchange for an action they are fully aware of the consequences? if they indeed can tolerate, then it's "up to you".
how to do that? one can ask here, which there are plenty responses, all good info, but is it okay to ask CBSA to get a 2nd opinion and help with the decision making process? should one be prosecuted just for asking a hypothetical question?
Please stop speculating and misleading people: Using, renewing, or applying for a home country passport (and, no doubt, returning to the home country) are actions that constitute reclaiming the protection of the country from which protection has been obtained under the convention. And that makes you lose the status in Canada according to the existing laws, and even the guidelines of the UNHCR.
Whether it happens instantly, tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, or in 3 years is irrelevant. The fact is it has to happen, within the meaning of the law. End of the story.
Here is the very well written and explained opinion of the very serious CANADIAN COUNCIL FOR REFUGEES, which details the risk factors of undergoing a cessation of one's status in Canada.
It is not people sitting in a cafe or a taxi driver, or an anonymous person on a forum who says these things, but a very serious organization, and to which several lawyers and specialists are affiliated or collaborate with him:
htmtl:
https://ccrweb.ca/en/cessation-basic-information
pdf document:
https://ccrweb.ca/sites/ccrweb.ca/files/cessation-basic-info.pdf
Whether it happens instantly, tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, or in 3 years is irrelevant. The fact is it has to happen, within the meaning of the law. End of the story.
Here is the very well written and explained opinion of the very serious CANADIAN COUNCIL FOR REFUGEES, which details the risk factors of undergoing a cessation of one's status in Canada.
It is not people sitting in a cafe or a taxi driver, or an anonymous person on a forum who says these things, but a very serious organization, and to which several lawyers and specialists are affiliated or collaborate with him:
htmtl:
https://ccrweb.ca/en/cessation-basic-information
pdf document:
https://ccrweb.ca/sites/ccrweb.ca/files/cessation-basic-info.pdf
The point is, it is a process that leads to losing a permanent status one works hard to get it. Whether it happens today or after years its not worth advise strangers to assume that risk.
Hi everybody!
i applied for a RTD in January2023 (I know I didn’t give it enough time) and my flight isMay 2023, I still haven’t received it and I even called and all they can tell me is it is still in processing. Is there anyway I would be able to get it?
i applied for a RTD in January2023 (I know I didn’t give it enough time) and my flight isMay 2023, I still haven’t received it and I even called and all they can tell me is it is still in processing. Is there anyway I would be able to get it?
Hi
I sent my application 19th march 2023, they received next day. I called them 2 times and they were saying on process. Today I called them and she said your application approved 5th April. Wait until Friday and if you still don't receive your travel document give a call to us.
What did you say on the phone? I’ve sent a thousand webform but I’m not sure what I’m supposed to say.
I said I applied for travel document and I just want to know about my application status. That's all.