refugee returns to mothers land after naturalization

[halfcents101]

Hello

i hope everyone is fine . after 6 months of receiving my citizenship i returned to my country of origin . actually i had a work accident 2 years ago while a refugee i didnt have a family doctor nor i reported it to employer.
basically i didn’t want to jeopardize my status and return to my country . also private clinics are too expensive for me
i spent a total of 8 years after being granted citizenship now i returned since 4 months i i am receiving cheap health care even though i would not recover 100% . would that be an issue if i stay 5 or 6 months
my refugee claim was not based on political matter also there is no war in my country.
it is related to my sexual orientation and it was genuine . now with dual citizenship my country of origin would never screw with canada in the worst scenario and lgbtq foreigners and even dual citizens enjoy more freedom although i am discreet and masc looking
another point i came with my canadian passport i never renewed nor used my passport of homeland since .

is staying extended periods would be fine or i am still considered refugee and never have to return definitively

any insight is welcome

thanks

 

[canuck78]

Hello

i hope everyone is fine . after 6 months of receiving my citizenship i returned to my country of origin . actually i had a work accident 2 years ago while a refugee i didnt have a family doctor nor i reported it to employer.
basically i didn’t want to jeopardize my status and return to my country . also private clinics are too expensive for me
i spent a total of 8 years after being granted citizenship now i returned since 4 months i i am receiving cheap health care even though i would not recover 100% . would that be an issue if i stay 5 or 6 months
my refugee claim was not based on political matter also there is no war in my country.
it is related to my sexual orientation and it was genuine . now with dual citizenship my country of origin would never screw with canada in the worst scenario and lgbtq foreigners and even dual citizens enjoy more freedom although i am discreet and masc looking
another point i came with my canadian passport i never renewed nor used my passport of homeland since .

is staying extended periods would be fine or i am still considered refugee and never have to return definitively

any insight is welcome

thanks

Yes technically legal. It doesn’t look good though if ever questioned so would keep any medical records showing you returned and spent months in your home country to seek medical care that you weee having difficulty accessing in Canada in case ever questioned. There is significant anti-immigrant/refugee sentiment in Canada and across a lot of the world and many looking to make examples of people who appear not to need Canada’s protection. We are also going to have a new government soon who is likely to take a much tougher stance on immigration issues.

 

[lavocado917]

Yes technically legal. It doesn’t look good though if ever questioned so would keep any medical records showing you returned and spent months in your home country to seek medical care that you weee having difficulty accessing in Canada in case ever questioned. There is significant anti-immigrant/refugee sentiment in Canada and across a lot of the world and many looking to make examples of people who appear not to need Canada’s protection. We are also going to have a new government soon who is likely to take a much tougher stance on immigration issues.

that is a wise advice however in my opinion a refugee who turn citizens should be equal to all citizens. after several years things change .
also the op suggests he is gay so that is totally different from a political one . political fear most and foremost the gov . sometimes gay people fear the inhabitants of that country or a small group of people and it is highly likely he wil not be recognized . then why would he be in trouble for that?
people need to come back for inheritance , administrative stuff too. is my personal opinion
there are different steam of refugees and each one is a different story but lets not mix political with other such as lgbt , religious , humanitarian, h&c etc

even if laws change they would not go after former refugee who got naturalized. logically after you are citizens there is no restriction, a passport is not an RTD it is not mentioned you cant go to your country of origin
those who will be affected are the upcoming ones and this is in case the laws change

best regards to you

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

that is a wise advice however in my opinion a refugee who turn citizens should be equal to all citizens. after several years things change .
also the op suggests he is gay so that is totally different from a political one . political fear most and foremost the gov . sometimes gay people fear the inhabitants of that country or a small group of people and it is highly likely he wil not be recognized . then why would he be in trouble for that?
people need to come back for inheritance , administrative stuff too. is my personal opinion
there are different steam of refugees and each one is a different story but lets not mix political with other such as lgbt , religious , humanitarian, h&c etc

even if laws change they would not go after former refugee who got naturalized. logically after you are citizens there is no restriction, a passport is not an RTD it is not mentioned you cant go to your country of origin
those who will be affected are the upcoming ones and this is in case the laws change

best regards to you

The whole premise of taking refugee is that someone feels unsafe to live in their homeland. Getting healthcare can be done anywhere else(e.g. Mexico, India, etc) for cheap too. These activities of going back to home country after citizenship raises questions on the already very questionable refugee program.

I'd also add that when someone files a false refugee application by falsely stating their life is in danger, they are harming their home country for petty gains. The number of refugee claims and accepted claims directly impact Canada and other partner's relations with the source country. Not to mention the stigmatization of real refugees is a natural outcome. Most of these fake refugees also divert trade away and can take the home country towards sanctions too.

All of that for a petty immigration gain by an individual - that should be scrutinized imho.

 

[lavocado917]

The whole premise of taking refugee is that someone feels unsafe to live in their homeland. Getting healthcare can be done anywhere else(e.g. Mexico, India, etc) for cheap too. These activities of going back to home country after citizenship raises questions on the already very questionable refugee program.

I'd also add that when someone files a false refugee application by falsely stating their life is in danger, they are harming their home country for petty gains. The number of refugee claims and accepted claims directly impact Canada and other partner's relations with the source country. Not to mention the stigmatization of real refugees is a natural outcome. Most of these fake refugees also divert trade away and can take the home country towards sanctions too.

All of that for a petty immigration gain by an individual - that should be scrutinized imho.

i am not defending the op although there are points i agree with you and others disagree with you. like i said there are different factors from one refugee to another related to their basic of claim.lets not mix when a refugee is pursued/ persecuted by the state and small groups .

the refugee claim takes several years in order to turn pr then citizens and the same circumstances he fled from may have changed.
lets take my country of origin as an example the authorities would think twice before harming a citizen of a g7 country hence he has more protection even though canada cannot help the person and offer consular services abroad .

other compelling reasons can make the person go back there such as inheritance, ill family members . a dual citizen still has still ties to his cop unlike a political refugee who should give up everything unless there is a radical change in the state itself . thankfully we live in a democracy such as canada and all citizens are treated equally.
please note that many alledge the sole return to his cop coule trigger an investigation. so where is the issue here ? if he was genuine then he has nothing to worry about. and this applies to naturalized citizens who applied thru a different stream of immigrantstion because misrepresentation apply to everyone.’

 

[hawk39]

now with dual citizenship my country of origin would never screw with canada in the worst scenario and lgbtq foreigners and even dual citizens enjoy more freedom although i am discreet and masc looking

If your country of origin allows dual citizenship and/or still recognizes you as it's citizen, Canada will recognize that while you are there, you are subject to their laws; this is known as the Master Nationality Rule. Don't presume that your Canadian citizenship will keep you safe, or expect that aside from general consular assistance, Canada will negotiate for your release if you become imprisoned or worse. Canadian law only protects its citizens while they are in Canada.

 

[lavocado917]

If your country of origin allows dual citizenship and/or still recognizes you as it's citizen, Canada will recognize that while you are there, you are subject to their laws; this is known as the Master Nationality Rule. Don't presume that your Canadian citizenship will keep you safe, or expect that aside from general consular assistance, Canada will negotiate for your release if you become imprisoned or worse. Canadian law only protects its citizens while they are in Canada.

you are right although there are countries with including mine who will never screw with a dual citizen especially for a great country whom they have political/ economic bounds especially such as canada , usa , europe . but still this master nationality rule can arise depending on the case .

as for canada i dont know if he can return to live in his country or renew his national id ,pasoort etc after being granted citizenship

 

[canuck78]

you are right although there are countries with including mine who will never screw with a dual citizen especially for a great country whom they have political/ economic bounds especially such as canada , usa , europe . but still this master nationality rule can arise depending on the case .

as for canada i dont know if he can return to live in his country or renew his national id ,pasoort etc after being granted citizenship

There are plenty of people who are under this false impression and many Canadians in foreign jails thinking that Canada can easily secure their release.

 

[canuck78]

i am not defending the op although there are points i agree with you and others disagree with you. like i said there are different factors from one refugee to another related to their basic of claim.lets not mix when a refugee is pursued/ persecuted by the state and small groups .

the refugee claim takes several years in order to turn pr then citizens and the same circumstances he fled from may have changed.
lets take my country of origin as an example the authorities would think twice before harming a citizen of a g7 country hence he has more protection even though canada cannot help the person and offer consular services abroad .

other compelling reasons can make the person go back there such as inheritance, ill family members . a dual citizen still has still ties to his cop unlike a political refugee who should give up everything unless there is a radical change in the state itself . thankfully we live in a democracy such as canada and all citizens are treated equally.
please note that many alledge the sole return to his cop coule trigger an investigation. so where is the issue here ? if he was genuine then he has nothing to worry about. and this applies to naturalized citizens who applied thru a different stream of immigrantstion because misrepresentation apply to everyone.’

If you were truly persecuted in your home country for being LGBTQIA+ then that doesn’t change with a Canadian passport if you return to your same life. A passport doesn’t suddenly allow you to become openly trans, have a relationship with a same sex partner, change laws against the LGBTQIA+ population, etc.

 

[lavocado917]

If you were truly persecuted in your home country for being LGBTQIA+ then that doesn’t change with a Canadian passport if you return to your same life. A passport doesn’t suddenly allow you to become openly trans, have a relationship with a same sex partner, change laws against the LGBTQIA+ population, etc.

yes you are right about it that canada can’t do much . believe me in my country of origin the gov will never screw up with european allies nor canadian let alone usa the biggest ally ever .

where i used to live foreigners have more rights than locals themselves.

by the way my country is islamic and you are correct about the canadian passport wont let you be trans however if you keep it low profile and discreet nobody will talk to you

worst scenario if you are feminine then the population will oppress you and not the gov at all if anything happens you might to jail for example for public sexual act but not for the mere fact of being gay .
weve seen european gays being released for holding dual citizenship
im speaking with knowledge thats why i said it is fine and circumstances change for a dual citizen lets take a gay coming from my country as an example

 

[YVR123]

yes you are right about it that canada can’t do much . believe me in my country of origin the gov will never screw up with european allies nor canadian let alone usa the biggest ally ever .

where i used to live foreigners have more rights than locals themselves.

by the way my country is islamic and you are correct about the canadian passport wont let you be trans however if you keep it low profile and discreet nobody will talk to you

worst scenario if you are feminine then the population will oppress you and not the gov at all if anything happens you might to jail for example for public sexual act but not for the mere fact of being gay .
weve seen european gays being released for holding dual citizenship
im speaking with knowledge thats why i said it is fine and circumstances change for a dual citizen lets take a gay coming from my country as an example

I think may be that's why we have different opinion on how safe it is to return.

My "country" definitly don't care about Canadian government's reaction. They detain Canadians (even if that person doesn't have another citizenship/is a local citizen).
I have no plan to visit and I didn't get my PR as a refugee.

 

[lavocado917]

I think may be that's why we have different opinion on how safe it is to return.

My "country" definitly don't care about Canadian government's reaction. They detain Canadians (even if that person doesn't have another citizenship/is a local citizen).
I have no plan to visit and I didn't get my PR as a refugee.

wow thats scary . yes indeed it depends from each country to another. in your case i would have not return unless its an emergency.
in my case both religions and lgbt are persecuted by groups . however political refugees are highly oppressed and persecuted and prosecuted.

 

[canuck78]

yes you are right about it that canada can’t do much . believe me in my country of origin the gov will never screw up with european allies nor canadian let alone usa the biggest ally ever .

where i used to live foreigners have more rights than locals themselves.

by the way my country is islamic and you are correct about the canadian passport wont let you be trans however if you keep it low profile and discreet nobody will talk to you

worst scenario if you are feminine then the population will oppress you and not the gov at all if anything happens you might to jail for example for public sexual act but not for the mere fact of being gay .
weve seen european gays being released for holding dual citizenship
im speaking with knowledge thats why i said it is fine and circumstances change for a dual citizen lets take a gay coming from my country as an example

That is just not the case especially if you are also from that country of origin. If that was the case nobody would be detained in the first place. Canada has relatively little bargaining power.

 

[lavocado917]

That is just not the case especially if you are also from that country of origin. If that was the case nobody would be detained in the first place. Canada has relatively little bargaining power.

i can’t speak for your case unless you tell me what country are you from. of course there are many places where they dont give a damn whether you’re dual or not .
mine is an exception despite it is not allowed to be lgbtq , apostat
kind of double standard with dual citizens and those who have money

 

[canuck78]

i can’t speak for your case unless you tell me what country are you from. of course there are many places where they dont give a damn whether you’re dual or not .
mine is an exception despite it is not allowed to be lgbtq , apostat
kind of double standard with dual citizens and those who have money

It is until it isn’t. You are more likely to not face any consequences if you have government connections and money in many countries not a foreign passport. Know enough people who work for Canada’s Global Affairs to hear the stories about Canadians and dual citizens who make the false assumption that a Canadian passport solves everything.