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Reasons for Rejection

epressentry

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Sep 11, 2016
153
5
Category........
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NOC Code......
1122
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
April 20th 2016
Nomination.....
N/A
Med's Done....
Upfront
kryt0n said:
No, permenant is only needed for lmia application.
Phew! Thanks.
 

epressentry

Star Member
Sep 11, 2016
153
5
Category........
Visa Office......
Unknown
NOC Code......
1122
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
April 20th 2016
Nomination.....
N/A
Med's Done....
Upfront
kryt0n said:
Good point, I don't think transcripts are required, but it's possible that he's saying people essentially uploaded a "handwritten" list.
Handwritten ones!? Thata funny and I hope not. Does ECA report have your grades on them? Essentially that's the only information they care about.
 

rajkamalmohanram

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Apr 29, 2015
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epressentry said:
Sorry but what's a certified true copy? I have official and unofficial transcripts but wasn't planning to upload as I am attaching a PDF of degree and a letter from university saying that I graduate on this date.

Can anyone provide a source where they ask for transcripts?
kryt0n said:
Good point, I don't think transcripts are required, but it's possible that he's saying people essentially uploaded a "handwritten" list.
Pardon me - This is on the IRCC website -

Purpose

To confirm education claims and validate that the applicant meets program requirements
Document requirements

To receive program-specific points for education, the applicant must either
provide proof of having completed a Canadian secondary or post-secondary educational program; or
obtain an Educational Credential Assessment (ECA) and provide the ECA reference number in their application, along with proof of the foreign educational credentials for which points are being claimed.
Proof of completed Canadian or foreign educational credentials can include copies of
secondary or post-secondary education documents (certificates, diplomas or degrees); and
transcripts for successfully completed secondary or post-secondary studies, if available.

Where an ECA has been obtained, the applicant must provide the ECA reference number in their e-APR for online validation directly from the issuing organization.
A scanned copy of the ECA is not required when submitting the e-APR but may be requested by IRCC at a later date.

Individuals who must submit this documentation

The principal applicant
Their spouse or common-law partner
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/express/intake-complete.asp

It says you have to upload transcripts if you have them.

The "certified true" degree/transcript is for OINP application. My bad. I will correct this in the initial post.
 

epressentry

Star Member
Sep 11, 2016
153
5
Category........
Visa Office......
Unknown
NOC Code......
1122
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
April 20th 2016
Nomination.....
N/A
Med's Done....
Upfront
rajkamalmohanram said:
Pardon me - This is on the IRCC website -

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/express/intake-complete.asp

It says you have to upload transcripts if you have them.

The "certified true" degree/transcript is for OINP application.
Thanks Raj, I'll just pretend to not have them ("if available" is the key here).
 

kryt0n

VIP Member
Sep 30, 2014
5,422
274
NOC Code......
2172
AOR Received.
16-03-2017
Passport Req..
11-07-2017
rajkamalmohanram said:
Pardon me - This is on the IRCC website -

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/express/intake-complete.asp

It says you have to upload transcripts if you have them.

The "certified true" degree/transcript is for OINP application. My bad. I will correct this in the initial post.
Ah I see, so not essential but you should upload them if you have them :)
 

cheeta37

Hero Member
May 11, 2009
248
15
PAKISTAN
Category........
Visa Office......
CHC ISLAMABAD → CHC LONDON
NOC Code......
0111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
04-06-2009
Doc's Request.
05-08-2009
AOR Received.
05-08-2009
File Transfer...
Islamabad 05-08-2009 → London 30-06-2010 → Rejected 01-06-2012
Dear Raj

In my case, I applied in 2009 and unfortunately got rejected in 2012, reasons stated in rejection letter was duties mismatch with my NOC, but when i go for CAIPS i found a different story there, I found What CIC states in refusal letters is not the whole story.
In Comments area of CAIPS I found that Visa officer, trying to match my salary with my stated designation, (Salary 35,000/-PKR for Finance Manager) and comment that duties mentioned in refrence letter are correct and match with stated NOC but considering this salary level it seems applicant is not a finance manager and he may be a clerk and I am not satisfied with it and rejecting the case.

I am Planning to apply now again in January 2017, During last few years I have completed my Mphil degree in Finance, My spouse Completed 2nd Masters degree and all other factors also improved except Age.

My question is, currently i am again working as a Finance Manager in a different organization. My current organization is adopting policy of salary disbursements in Cash. I do not have any salary bank account details and also not having Tax return records, I have detailed reference letters as well as salary slips of my office. Is it enough to explain my experience factor?

Regards,

Cheeta
 

rajkamalmohanram

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cheeta37 said:
Dear Raj

In my case, I applied in 2009 and unfortunately got rejected in 2012, reasons stated in rejection letter was duties mismatch with my NOC, but when i go for CAIPS i found a different story there, I found What CIC states in refusal letters is not the whole story.
In Comments area of CAIPS I found that Visa officer, trying to match my salary with my stated designation, (Salary 35,000/-PKR for Finance Manager) and comment that duties mentioned in refrence letter are correct and match with stated NOC but considering this salary level it seems applicant is not a finance manager and he may be a clerk and I am not satisfied with it and rejecting the case.

I am Planning to apply now again in January 2017, During last few years I have completed my Mphil degree in Finance, My spouse Completed 2nd Masters degree and all other factors also improved except Age.

My question is, currently i am again working as a Finance Manager in a different organization. My current organization is adopting policy of salary disbursements in Cash. I do not have any salary bank account details and also not having Tax return records, I have detailed reference letters as well as salary slips of my office. Is it enough to explain my experience factor?

Regards,

Cheeta
Sorry about your refusal earlier. Yes, if the reference letter is exactly in the format requested by IRCC, you don't have to submit anything else. If not, I would recommend that you submit supporting documentation like offer letters, payslips etc. If they ask for additional documentation, the onus of providing proof that you were paid (among other details) lies on you. Payslips might be sufficient but if they ask for proof of deposit into the bank, you can probably get a letter from your company telling that you are being paid in cash. Also, if I may ask, why don't you have tax returns? Isn't it mandatory to file tax returns?
 

mahi2020

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Oct 7, 2016
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Hello,

I have just submitted my eApr and while going through the forum realised applicants have chosen "Applied Science" as "Field of Study" for engineering.

I have selected "other" as Field of Study, as I didn't know engineering and applied science are same ?

Can this be a cause for rejection ?

Should I raise a CSE ?

Thank-you in advance
 

cheeta37

Hero Member
May 11, 2009
248
15
PAKISTAN
Category........
Visa Office......
CHC ISLAMABAD → CHC LONDON
NOC Code......
0111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
04-06-2009
Doc's Request.
05-08-2009
AOR Received.
05-08-2009
File Transfer...
Islamabad 05-08-2009 → London 30-06-2010 → Rejected 01-06-2012
rajkamalmohanram said:
Sorry about your refusal earlier. Yes, if the reference letter is exactly in the format requested by IRCC, you don't have to submit anything else. If not, I would recommend that you submit supporting documentation like offer letters, payslips etc. If they ask for additional documentation, the onus of providing proof that you were paid (among other details) lies on you. Payslips might be sufficient but if they ask for proof of deposit into the bank, you can probably get a letter from your company telling that you are being paid in cash. Also, if I may ask, why don't you have tax returns? Isn't it mandatory to file tax returns?
It is mandatory, but not practically enforced in Pakistan. This is the reason why organizations pay salaries in Cash to hide their real cash flows and incomes to avoid taxes. I know its bad and illegal practice but its also a reality employees cannot change the organizational policies. Moreover if our PM Nawaz Sharif is paying 5000/-PKR/(64$ Canadian) annual Tax. why other business community will pay.

I wish and pray They will not ask for Returns, Bank statement of Salary Account and Reference letter + Salary slips will be enough. As rest of the factors are supporting my position. e.g. CLB 9, ECA Masters Level, Age 33, Spouse CLB 8, Spouse ECA Masters Level, Real Brother/Sister in Canada, POF More 40,000.$, Research Publications in Canadian Research Journals, etc.

What is your Comment?

regards,

Cheeta
 

hb_rashidy

Hero Member
Aug 25, 2015
448
18
Pakistan
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
1225
App. Filed.......
28-11-2016
Nomination.....
31-8-2016
AOR Received.
28-11-2016
IELTS Request
Ielts L8, R7.5, W7, S7
File Transfer...
16/12/2016
Med's Done....
16-11-2016
Dear Experts,

Need Help in writing letter of Explanation.

I have worked in UAE from Dec 2010 to Dec 2012. But during this time, after every 2 or 3 months, I visited my home country for some weeks. My UAE PCC do not mention any time or duration of stay. While getting PCC from my home country, When I told them to include all those stays (ranging from 2 weeks to 6 weeks - total around 5,6 months) in the PCC, they said that since these are a lot of entries and they can not mention these many on the PCC, So they included whole this time (Dec 2010 to Dec 2012) in the PCC.
Now I am a bit worried and want to write a Letter of Explanation to CIC regarding the PCC and why I included these 2 years in the home country PCC.
But I am not able to find proper words.
I will be really thankful to you if you will help me in this regard.

Thanks
 

riya2492

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Sep 23, 2016
32
0
Category........
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NDVO
Job Offer........
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Nomination.....
16/09/2016
AOR Received.
18/10/2016
Med's Done....
18/10/2016
riya2492 said:
hi seniors ,
i want to know that i have changed my noc in past due to not find perfect noc at the time of ee submission and then i changed it. now i have ita and already submitted file. is there any affect on file due to noc change in past.

please reply..
any one please clear my doubt..
 

vj23

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Nov 6, 2016
24
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vj23 said:
Hello Seniors,
One more query please. My current employer do not provide duties & responsibilities, salary and number of working hours & also prohibit it for other employees to provide such details though HR has given me generic employment letter stating my position, date of joining and work address.

As an alternate i have requested one of my office friend to provide my duties & responsibilities, salary and number of working hours printed on plain paper signed by him. I will present this with his ID card copy (front & back copy) + print of his profile from company's intranet that includes his email ID & contact details.

Will this be acceptable as I do not have any other way. Any guidance will be highly appreciated.

Thank You
Please guide me on the above query
 

vj23

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Nov 6, 2016
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cheeta37 said:
Dear Raj

In my case, I applied in 2009 and unfortunately got rejected in 2012, reasons stated in rejection letter was duties mismatch with my NOC, but when i go for CAIPS i found a different story there, I found What CIC states in refusal letters is not the whole story.
In Comments area of CAIPS I found that Visa officer, trying to match my salary with my stated designation, (Salary 35,000/-PKR for Finance Manager) and comment that duties mentioned in refrence letter are correct and match with stated NOC but considering this salary level it seems applicant is not a finance manager and he may be a clerk and I am not satisfied with it and rejecting the case.

I am Planning to apply now again in January 2017, During last few years I have completed my Mphil degree in Finance, My spouse Completed 2nd Masters degree and all other factors also improved except Age.

My question is, currently i am again working as a Finance Manager in a different organization. My current organization is adopting policy of salary disbursements in Cash. I do not have any salary bank account details and also not having Tax return records, I have detailed reference letters as well as salary slips of my office. Is it enough to explain my experience factor?

Regards,

Cheeta
Hi Buddy, I have received ITA & applying under Financial manger NOC 0111. My annual salary is INR 860,000 that is equivalent to 1,321,655.53 or CAD 16,898. Do you think i got a chance here ?? i am really scared after i saw ur post.

Thanks
 

DelPiero07

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vj23 said:
Please guide me on the above query
Your colleague can provide a letter with your duties and responsabilities. He should not state your salary and working hours, you should provide your contract to prove those. It is recommended to get an affidavit from your colleague.

Also, include proof that you requested a ref. Letter to your HR department (e-mails).

Cheers :)
 

vj23

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Nov 6, 2016
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DelPiero07 said:
Your colleague can provide a letter with your duties and responsabilities. He should not state your salary and working hours, you should provide your contract to prove those. It is recommended to get an affidavit from your colleague.

Also, include proof that you requested a ref. Letter to your HR department (e-mails).

Cheers :)
Thank you for revert, actually in my offer letter number of working hours are not mentioned. That is why included this point in his reference letter. For my salary i will provide my Current increment letter.

Will this be acceptable ?

Thank You