Ray of hope - FSW - 1

[sahilarora2003]

So…? What shame?
A specialized person with 2 yr diploma already inserted in Canadian market for at least one year, contributing to the economy and paying taxes can be more useful to the country than a foreign work with zero local experience but fancy degrees and awesome english skills

Did i hurt your weak point? I’m so sorry for that. Haaha. You need to learn math and english skills too because it seems like you fall in this same category. First do some market research. What type of contribution and invention you can expect with a person who holds a diploma after completing higher education in his/her home country? How much taxes he will pay with surviving salary ? Don’t you dare to tell me that you saw people getting higher paying jobs after completing diploma. There are people around this world with better skills and can contribute more to the Canadian economy by paying taxes n other ways. A federal skilled worker who is in canada, does not impacted by travel restrictions and doesn’t qualify under CEC class is still paying more taxes. What did they get? Nothing! Even outsiders are being ignored. Canada is not the only country providing world class education. People come here because they are in a ray of hope of getting more opportunities and better life. If Canada is going to disappoint those people, this country system will crash for sure.

Peace

 

[sahilarora2003]

Now do the same calculation for the mega CEC with 75 crs cutoff.

Out of my imagination

 

[ceceh]

1) many fair reasons: No. The only reason officially made public by IRCC was travel restrictions. IRCC said the pause on FSW was temporary, due to the temporary travel restrictions. They did not have any other reasons to pause the perfectly working FSW stream which always successfully selected highly qualified immigrants since 2015.

2) Both profiles are important: Highly qualified CEC candidates ace FSW draws anyway, which is why you see no CEC draws until the pandemic in the link I sent you. This is exactly why IRCC had never really bothered to conduct CEC draws, since highly qualified CEC people got their well-deserved ITAs from FSW draws. The same can't be said for people who got easy ITAs while having hopelessly low CRS scores.

It is a totally understandable reaction from highly qualified FSWs when they're put on hold while seriously underqualified people are given priority with illogical excuses.

Travel restrictions due to a pandemic that is killing millions of people around the world is a illogical excuse? I strongly disagree.

The situation is frustrating? yes. Could you expect more transparency from IRRC? yes.
But getting angry because Canada is at this time fully prioritizing people already inside canada with the “I am more qualified than that” is stupid. Very stupid from my point of view. Be more respectful to that people. We are all foreigners that want the same thing.

Also I would like to remind something: immigrating to a foreign country is a privilege not right

 

[Emil1]

Why do you guys always keep fighting between fsw and cec. There is no point in that. I believe most of us in this thread are fsw. Just hope that it returns as soon as possible and stop fighting against cec people.

BTW I don't believe that fsw backlog will cause a lot of delay since many people have their profiles already approved and ircc is just waiting for restrictions to be lifted in order to issue their copr

 

[ceceh]

Did i hurt your weak point? I’m so sorry for that. Haaha. You need to learn math and english skills too because it seems like you fall in this same category. First do some market research. What type of contribution and invention you can expect with a person who holds a diploma after completing higher education in his/her home country? How much taxes he will pay with surviving salary ? Don’t you dare to tell me that you saw people getting higher paying jobs after completing diploma. There are people around this world with better skills and can contribute more to the Canadian economy by paying taxes n other ways. A federal skilled worker who is in canada, does not impacted by travel restrictions and doesn’t qualify under CEC class is still paying more taxes. What did they get? Nothing! Even outsiders are being ignored. Canada is not the only country providing world class education. People come here because they are in a ray of hope of getting more opportunities and better life. If Canada is going to disappoint those people, this country system will crash for sure.

Peace

I am pretty sure my educational background and IELTS score are high enough to easily be eligible to any existing or past EE rounds of invitation. So that new stupid assumption is also wrong. But I don’t believe that this is what make someone more valuable to the country. In Canada most of the professionals are valued

 

[Mercedes2021]

Here is the math of person with CEC class having one year of experience with a valid job offer.

1. A person who is Single with 30 years of age and having Two year Diploma( Not even Bachelor Degree) in his/her home country and One year Diploma within Canada having IELTS score 6 in each module with ONE year of Canadian Experience with Valid Job Offer will get a score of 402 which makes him/her eligible to secure an ITA under CEC class.

What a SHAME !!!

Think about your future!!

Shame? Folks wit CRS 402 are directly contributing the Canadian economy, and you (CRS 4xx) are contributing sh*t to it

 

[ceceh]

The CEC people with CRS 400 and below who didn't get an ITA today also pay the same taxes. Why didn't they get an invite?

I understand you people are grateful for your easy PRs that you couldn't have even dreamed of otherwise but if you go and actually read the website of the government itself, you will understand that EE is, or was, designed to select the most qualified candidates from a large pool. The goal was never to give free PRs to every single temporary resident in canada until now.

Easy PR? Do you think foreign workers and students just magically and easily got to Canada? It’s usually a long path with a lot of difficulties and hard work. You pay higher educational fees, you don’t have a regular SIN and because of that you have a hard time to finance a car or a house. You need to double your dedication as a worker because sometimes your permit is attached to the company and you can’t afford getting laid off.

It’s tough for most of people.

Again - be respectful to other foreigners. Don’t let your anger blind you.

 

[sahilarora2003]

Shame? Folks wit CRS 402 are directly contributing the Canadian economy, and you (CRS 4xx) are contributing sh*t to it

Hahaha. I’m pretty sure you will not be able to match my score even after working for five years. My score is 523 and still be able to stretch it to 550 approximately if needed. I’m sure that I’m paying more taxes than you to this country. For your information I’m already in Canada.
Peace

 

[ceceh]

If you l

You're overlooking what I said. I said, many CEC candidates already score very high and ensure an ITA in any regular FSW draw. Those people, as you said, have worked so hard and well deserved their ITAs and PRs by scoring high in CRS. What's raising this reaction from FSWs is not that. The reason of the reaction is the fact that a lot of seriously underqualified people, who would never stand a chance in the whole history of EE, receive "easy" PRs. CRS is a ranking system, it is designed to be a ranking system. The system is designed by the government of canada to rank people based on qualifications and skills, not the taxes they pay. This is why high scoring FSWs are rightfully reacting to the situation.

For the record. I pay the same taxes as the CEC CRS 402 who got an ITA today. My CRS is much higher than any cutoff of any stream in the history of EE. Yet, just like many others, I get sent back to the end of the line because of made-up excuses. You can see from this real life example how weak and pathetic of an excuse the "tax talk" is.

The system is still based on score and it ranks applicants. And it’s fair to do that way, I agree. But now there are restrictions to people abroad - they are not the priority at this time and that makes sense because of the pandemic.

If you pay the same taxes it means you are already working in Canada. Why can’t you apply to CEC?

 

[sahilarora2003]

I am pretty sure my educational background and IELTS score are high enough to easily be eligible to any existing or past EE rounds of invitation. So that new stupid assumption is also wrong. But I don’t believe that this is what make someone more valuable to the country. In Canada most of the professionals are valued

Who is making assumptions here? That is the fact which i posted before. If you can’t then do your math here.

https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp

 

[Psyoptica]

Easy PR? Do you think foreign workers and students just magically and easily got to Canada? It’s usually a long path with a lot of difficulties and hard work. You pay higher educational fees, you don’t have a regular SIN and because of that you have a hard time to finance a car or a house. You need to double your dedication as a worker because sometimes your permit is attached to the company and you can’t afford getting laid off.

It’s tough for most of people.

Again - be respectful to other foreigners. Don’t let your anger blind you.

I disagree. Most foreign students from the 3rd world countries grow up with the mindset of moving out of their country. When they are old enough for college, their parents/family take loans. sell properties and spend all their life savings to send them to Canada for education which in reality is their game plan to immigrate. Not all of these students are bright. hardworking and deserving. They end up in Canada because of their parent's/family's support.

Now, a lot of people don't have this goal in mind when they finish college and start a job. By the time they approach 30 and want to immigrate, the only option left for them is immigration through FSW which they can only do if they are highly qualified and the competition is tough here. There's no external help for them here other than their own talent and hardwork.

I can completely understand voyager123's frustration because I myself worked really hard to qualify for FSW since going on a student visa wasn't possible for me. Thankfully in my case, I got my ITA last year but for him/her, the doors are closed. At least for the time being.

 

[Psyoptica]

Easy PR? Do you think foreign workers and students just magically and easily got to Canada? It’s usually a long path with a lot of difficulties and hard work. You pay higher educational fees, you don’t have a regular SIN and because of that you have a hard time to finance a car or a house. You need to double your dedication as a worker because sometimes your permit is attached to the company and you can’t afford getting laid off.

It’s tough for most of people.

Again - be respectful to other foreigners. Don’t let your anger blind you.

But despite all the difficulties, they become residents sooner or later. So it's all worth it in the end. I bet anyone desperate enough for moving to Canada would endure any sort of hardships if that guaranteed them Canadian citizenship.

 

[cansha]

Reading last few pages of this thread is kind of painful. Not getting in to whole FSW vs CEC debate as both sides have their emotions and arguments. What is hurtful is blatant prejudice and generalizations. I hope everyone gets their opportunity to get Canadian PR but folks one of the appealing feature of living in Canada is the open and accepting culture. Don't let your short term disappointments make you see other human beings as lesser beings than you. I understand these are volatile and uncertain times but blaming each other constantly will impact your subconscious mind for a long time. This us vs them thinking causes harm in more ways than one.

 

[scylla]

There's no FSW vs CEC debate. There's high CRS people reacting to the easy PRs given to low CRS people in a "ranking" system. It's a fair and understandable response. Until 2020, every single candidate, be it FSW, CEC or others, had earned their PR by being "selected" based on the "ranking" system designed by the government itself. No need to pull this out of context. The system has been damaged and the response from these people is just.

Technically it's only been like this since 2015. But agreed that this has been the system since Jan 2015.

For several years prior to Jan 2015, FSW was a FIFO system based on caps and with only specific NOCs accepted - and those who managed to apply the fastest got it, even if others had stronger qualifications. There used to be count downs here as specific NOCs filled up and people panicked. Also panic every year as the list of NOCs was released (for that year). It actually sounds like IRCC may be considering moving back to a NOC based system for FSW. Guess we'll have to see.

CEC was a separate stream back then and they didn't have to compete with FSW.

This all changed in 2015.

 

[scylla]

Agreed, NOC-based system might be returning. It's not necessarily a bad thing, although it totally depends on how they'll impletement it. FIFO is an abomination though, it needs to stay dead.

How did it come to all this so suddenly? The last thing we heard from the government about FSW was that it was only temporarily paused because of the travel restrictions. Now there's all this talk and some of this is backed by the officials. This is exactly why I think restrictions were an excuse for a system change. There could be no other circumstance that'd allow the current government to give out so many ITAs to people who otherwise could not have even imagined coming this far.

Yes, there are some concerns which drive the recent EE changes but they are definitely not economic. There's mandatory quarantine for every single person landing, and the person pays for their own quarantine. There are PCR tests available whenever needed. There are future prospects of vaccines in reducing the cases. All while an average processing (landing) time of 8 to 12 months. In my opinion the concerns are not economic, they are political. What we see is probably an attempt at creating as many new citizens as possible before sept 2023.

Things came on suddenly because the pandemic came on suddenly. IMO none of this is at all surprising.

Economic immigration programs are ultimately for the benefit of the country that has the immigration program (not those applying). Unfortunately that's the honest truth. Canada's needs have changed as a result of the pandemic and so economic immigration programs are changing to reflect this. We'll have to see exactly what that means over the next number of months.

Wishing everyone good luck in applying and being selected - regardless what the future holds.