Ray of Hope - 95th Draw

[gauravmlal]

But did we totally forget that the last draw was after 16 days and not 14 days, if lets say each day 230 candidates are entering the pool then two days can push up the draw score by a point or maybe two. I also agree that maybe due to graduation some people got extra scores for MS degrees which shifted the equilibrium, PNPs were an added factor. However in the next draw, do you think PNPs will still be present? If not shouldnt draw CRS dip down to 441?

Yes , you 2 days make a lot of difference , PNPs will always be present as one or the other province will be issuing nominations from time to time. But we usually have less than 500 nominations on an average. So going by the past trends , CRS should touch 441 but won’t clear it. But this hypothesis is very much dependent on a draw actually happening and with a size >= 3750.

 

[navinball]

I have a question regarding the tie-breaker rule.

If I created my Express Entry profile on a certain date (let's say March 30), and then updated some information to boost the CRS standing (let say on July 1st), then, if the tie-breaker came to be March 31st in the next draw with favorable CRS, would I be in or not.

Profile creation date is considered

 

[gauravmlal]

I have a question regarding the tie-breaker rule.

If I created my Express Entry profile on a certain date (let's say March 30), and then updated some information to boost the CRS standing (let say on July 1st), then, if the tie-breaker came to be March 31st in the next draw with favorable CRS, would I be in or not.

You will be in and dancing

 

[world101]

You will be in and dancing

Haha. Thanks.

 

[FairOntario]

What we have observed so far is , the moment we reached 440 on 23rd May , there was a draw skip following it , which added 7 more days of fresh Entries. Next time when we were too close to 440 i.e on 11th July , the pool was flooded with long pending nominations from Ontario. So, we may call it tough luck this year around , series of events have kept <442 group at bay.

If this is not a coincidence (I hope it is), then it appears to be a 'finger on the scale approach' that's not fair to those that have been in the pool for so long, and those that'll be loosing vital points due to age.

Unfortunately, by the time they realise they might not meet this year's target with this approach - which is not guaranteed as they can very much meet targets regardless by just waiting for the highest crs to get in the pool - it might be too late for some of us. As 6 points would've been deducted from our scores.

A better approach would've been to conduct the draws at fixed intervals (except for public holidays, which is understandable). Then increase/decrease ITA issuance as the year progresses based on immigration targets. Then there'll be no room for assumptions of conspiracies. Unsuccessful candidates would accept that the competition was fair and justified.

A disheartening analogy for this approach is, being on a queue with stringent criteria for so long, however each time it's your turn, the queue is put on hold for new entrants to be placed in front of you. In this case the idea of creating a pool at all is defeated, when they can just decide to conduct selective draws only when the number of applications have been received from the highest scoring candidates of their own choosing.

The express entry might gradually becoming similar to provincial nominations where selection criteria is unclear and fraught with lopsided conditions due to their varying, distinct and sometimes elitist needs.

On a lighter note the express entry has been a blessing to lots of great folks that have benefited from it. Moreover, the logistics and strategies involved up until how ITAs are issued this year have been excellent and unparalleled internationally.

However, there's always room for improvement, particularly on the optics of what appears to be an expression of bias in draw intervals/timelines.

 

[ashokacca]

I have a question regarding the tie-breaker rule.

If I created my Express Entry profile on a certain date (let's say March 30), and then updated some information to boost the CRS standing (let say on July 1st), then, if the tie-breaker came to be March 31st in the next draw with favorable CRS, would I be in or not.

Only date of creation is considered... Updating and editing dates doesn't matter

 

[sandy1203m]

The ielts speaking evaluaters in india are a bunch of pricks. They are rude, cut you off in the middle of sentences with an overall I'm better than you attitude. That's what happens when locals become 'english' evaluators. Expect no more than a 7, no matter how well you speak.

I got 5.5 in Speaking although it didnt went that bad, Although Still got the ITA. Wanted to go for rechecking for my own confidence, however left it.

 

[gauravmlal]

If this is not a coincidence (I hope it is), then it appears to be a 'finger on the scale approach' that's not fair to those that have been in the pool for so long, and those that'll be loosing vital points due to age.

Unfortunately, by the time they realise they might not meet this year's target with this approach - which is not guaranteed as they can very much meet targets regardless by just waiting for the highest crs to get in the pool - it might be too late for some of us. As 6 points would've been deducted from our scores.

A better approach would've been to conduct the draws at fixed intervals (except for public holidays, which is understandable). Then increase/decrease ITA issuance as the year progresses based on immigration targets. Then there'll be no room for assumptions of conspiracies. Unsuccessful candidates would accept that the competition was fair and justified.

A disheartening analogy for this approach is, being on a queue with stringent criteria for so long, however each time it's your turn, the queue is put on hold for new entrants to be placed in front of you. In this case the idea of creating a pool at all is defeated, when they can just decide to conduct selective draws only when the number of applications have been received from the highest scoring candidates of their own choosing.

The express entry might gradually becoming similar to provincial nominations where selection criteria is unclear and fraught with lopsided conditions due to their varying, distinct and sometimes elitist needs.

On a lighter note the express entry has been a blessing to lots of great folks that have benefited from it. Moreover, the logistics and strategies involved up until how ITAs are issued this year have been excellent and unparalleled internationally.

However, there's always room for improvement, particularly on the optics of what appears to be an expression of bias in draw intervals/timelines.[/

If this is not a coincidence (I hope it is), then it appears to be a 'finger on the scale approach' that's not fair to those that have been in the pool for so long, and those that'll be loosing vital points due to age.

Unfortunately, by the time they realise they might not meet this year's target with this approach - which is not guaranteed as they can very much meet targets regardless by just waiting for the highest crs to get in the pool - it might be too late for some of us. As 6 points would've been deducted from our scores.

A better approach would've been to conduct the draws at fixed intervals (except for public holidays, which is understandable). Then increase/decrease ITA issuance as the year progresses based on immigration targets. Then there'll be no room for assumptions of conspiracies. Unsuccessful candidates would accept that the competition was fair and justified.

A disheartening analogy for this approach is, being on a queue with stringent criteria for so long, however each time it's your turn, the queue is put on hold for new entrants to be placed in front of you. In this case the idea of creating a pool at all is defeated, when they can just decide to conduct selective draws only when the number of applications have been received from the highest scoring candidates of their own choosing.

The express entry might gradually becoming similar to provincial nominations where selection criteria is unclear and fraught with lopsided conditions due to their varying, distinct and sometimes elitist needs.

On a lighter note the express entry has been a blessing to lots of great folks that have benefited from it. Moreover, the logistics and strategies involved up until how ITAs are issued this year have been excellent and unparalleled internationally.

However, there's always room for improvement, particularly on the optics of what appears to be an expression of bias in draw intervals/timelines.

Well, whatever you said makes total sense. We all are on the same boat. Bunch of aspirants ,perplexed by the course of developments so far. Who would have imagined 430+ group or infact 420+ as a matter of fact would have to go through this fortnightly ordeal followed by another 13 days of brainstorming in vain when trends from last year were so optimistic. But here is a basic rule of demand and supply. If CRS score decides the potential of a candidate and good candidates are readily available by little twisting and tweaking of the selection system then why not go for it . After all , the whole idea of this Immigration program is to invite the best minds from around the globe. So , we cannot control anything accept for praying and trying to increase our respective CRS, if there is a scope of improvement.

 

[navinball]

I got 5.5 in Speaking although it didnt went that bad, Although Still got the ITA. Wanted to go for rechecking for my own confidence, however left it.

how did you get a 480 score with 5.5 in speaking?

 

[Raj74]

Can one maintain two IRCC accounts? I created my profile on Mar 11th. But if Ontario starts giving nominations, I would like my profile to be considered for that. I don't want to recreated my profile because that will reduce my chance for direct ITA.

 

[gauravmlal]

Can one maintain two IRCC accounts? I created my profile on Mar 11th. But if Ontario starts giving nominations, I would like my profile to be considered for that. I don't want to recreated my profile because that will reduce my chance for direct ITA.

First ,why wouldn't your current profile be considered for Ontario PNP ? Secondly , no you cannot have two active profiles at the same time.

 

[Raj74]

First ,why wouldn't your current profile be considered for Ontario PNP ? Secondly , no you cannot have two active profiles at the same time.

Because when ontario issues NOI they consider only the profiles created in the last one month. I created my first profile at July'2017. To get NOI, I recreated my profile 3 times. But didn't get NOI. Since my CRS increased to 435 recently, I'm thinking if there is a way to avoid recreating the profile.

 

[indpnv]

On the top it says.
( CANADIAN EQUIVALENCY SUMMARY
Master's degree
Duplicate Evaluation Report (original completed on May 27,2015)

and on the bottom
(

Credential Authentication: Official transcripts were sent directly by the institution
Country: /////////////////
Credential: Bachelor of Science
Year: 2015
Awarded by: //////////////////
Institution Status: Recognized
Major/Specialization: Agriculture
Canadian Equivalency: Bachelor's degree (four years)

Credential Authentication: Official transcripts were sent directly by the institution
Country: ////////////////
Credential: Diplôme d'Ingénieur
(Diploma of Engineer)
Year: 2015
Awarded by: ///////////////
Institution Status: Recognized
Major/Specialization: Agricultural Engineering
Canadian Equivalency: Bachelor's and master's degree
)

Master's, You need to go by the thing written next to the summary.

 

[Mayur_M]

Because when ontario issues NOI they consider only the profiles created in the last one month. I created my first profile at July'2017. To get NOI, I recreated my profile 3 times. But didn't get NOI. Since my CRS increased to 435 recently, I'm thinking if there is a way to avoid recreating the profile.

Go thru below link, it should clear things for you.

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/summary-of-eligibility-requirements-for-all-express-entry-pnp-streams.432937/

 

[FairOntario]

Yes , you 2 days make a lot of difference , PNPs will always be present as one or the other province will be issuing nominations from time to time. But we usually have less than 500 nominations on an average. So going by the past trends , CRS should touch 441 but won’t clear it. But this hypothesis is very much dependent on a draw actually happening and with a size >= 3750.

Can you please assess this projection and the tie break dates, based on your figures: Assuming new entrants 442 above (including new pnp recipients) are 300/week, hence the following estimates on 24th July:

440 till 24th July: 1400
441 till 24th July: 1400
442 and above: 600
Total: 3400

Assuming ITA size stays thesame, safe to project conservatively a 441 or 440 cutoff on the 25th of July? But, what would the tie break date be for these 2 scenarios? Then we could start hoping for a sub 440 cut off.