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Mayur_M

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@Mayur_M Our CRS also drops in case of 'non-accompanying spouse'. Spouses are not always a burden bro :p Its 30/30 in our case :cool: even helping hubby out in his distant learning master program. He doesn't have time to study, so lol, doing assignments and projects on his behalf. Will get him 7 more points by next August, IA. But really really really hoping against the hope that we get ITA before that.
Well, true that does not happen always. But there are exceptions :p
 
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samikdg

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Its taking me up to 446 from 440. I guess spouse IELTS (L7 R5.5 W6.5 S6.5) is pulling me down in accompanying.
Ah, that's giving you 10 points out of maximum 20 for spouse IELTS. If you don't mind me suggesting, if your spouse can score 0.5 extra in each of R,W,S it will improve the CRS by 6 points and take it to 446 which you're getting with non-accompanying spouse :) Increase in even one area will boost score by 2 points, which should be enough for ITA.
 

Tiwana350

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Hi,
I m hoping to get ITA soon owing to nomination. I have an important question-
My wife is pregnant with our second child and delivery is expected in August. But the baby’s birth certificate and passport will take time. How to submit the documents within 60 days since I will have to include all dependents in the application.
One option is to submit the application before the birth and get the details added later. But this will be a tough race against time.

Pl guide on how to proceed. I haven’t accepted the nomination yet to delay ITA by a few days.

Thanks.
 

Mayur_M

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Ah, that's giving you 10 points out of maximum 20 for spouse IELTS. If you don't mind me suggesting, if your spouse can score 0.5 extra in each of R,W,S it will improve the CRS by 6 points and take it to 446 which you're getting with non-accompanying spouse :) Increase in even one area will boost score by 2 points, which should be enough for ITA.
All suggestions are welcome :)

Thing is new born baby is keeping her super busy, so she cant think of appearing for now. Also, as @nt13 said it would be difficult to land with a baby, so would be better to get them once job, accommodation and other things are settled. So thinking on those lines.
 

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Sir, please do not spread the scare / uncertainty by using something like "who knows".

No country that is welcoming Immigrants to fill up their manpower requirements and keep their economies rolling, would think of keeping families apart, that way it would be counter-productive for them. Understand this that they are asking whether your spouse will accompany you or not only to figure out what choice depending on your personal situation, are you going to make when you are making the application (different people in different situations will make different choices - applicants in EE come from world over, not a few select countries). Their objective is not to get one person in Canada who has declared spouse as "Non Accompanying" and then make life difficult for them by making spousal application hard / impossible so that couples / families are separated.

I had already said that the process might be different / slightly lengthy and all, consuming some more time or money, but on the long run (when you are intending to permanently settle in another country for your betterment), it shouldn't matter. Think about it.

On a lighter note (no offence), your name has the word hope, be like one!!
Actually it might happen, that some changes will put additional conditions.
Why do I think so.

1. When it comes to economic immigrants, most of them are now using Express entry (when you do not talk about Quebec). And the way things are going, more and more PNP programs are being aligned with Express entry.

2. Canada has currently yearly targets for all types of immigrations. That includes refugees and spousal sponsorship (and children as well). In some cases like EE, live in caregivers or parents and grand parents sponsorship, they can properly manage the demand simply by setting up rules and caps.

3. However in spousal and children sponsorship this is not possible. But now they are between the stone and the hard rock. On one side they have the maximum quota and they are supposed to keep it. On the other side they cannot really forbid the Canadian PR and citizens to marry somebody from abroad (they could do it but that would make it a plain dictatorship). And on the top of that they have the target that most of the cases will be decided within certain period of time.

4. Now imagine, that they will observe surging trend of non-accompanying spouses that would change their mind right after the main applicant would get his or her PR. That is something they did not put that much into consideration when calculation just how many people would want to sponsor somebody.
So such trend would mean that they would not be able to keep the quota, leave the rules as they are and to everything within requested period of time.

So it might be that in the future, they will either limit spousal sponsorship for non accompanying (for example for first 3-5 years).


Another option would be to exclude the non accompanying option all together except for those legally separated and introduce Quebec system (where there is no such thing marrying fast after your AOR and keeping your points intact).

Because lets be honest, both of these are loopholes and many people are using them because of it.

All this depends on how visible the abuse of these loopholes will be and how the new government after 2019 will look like.

good luck
 

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Actually it might happen, that some changes will put additional conditions.
Why do I think so.

1. When it comes to economic immigrants, most of them are now using Express entry (when you do not talk about Quebec). And the way things are going, more and more PNP programs are being aligned with Express entry.

2. Canada has currently yearly targets for all types of immigrations. That includes refugees and spousal sponsorship (and children as well). In some cases like EE, live in caregivers or parents and grand parents sponsorship, they can properly manage the demand simply by setting up rules and caps.

3. However in spousal and children sponsorship this is not possible. But now they are between the stone and the hard rock. On one side they have the maximum quota and they are supposed to keep it. On the other side they cannot really forbid the Canadian PR and citizens to marry somebody from abroad (they could do it but that would make it a plain dictatorship). And on the top of that they have the target that most of the cases will be decided within certain period of time.

4. Now imagine, that they will observe surging trend of non-accompanying spouses that would change their mind right after the main applicant would get his or her PR. That is something they did not put that much into consideration when calculation just how many people would want to sponsor somebody.
So such trend would mean that they would not be able to keep the quota, leave the rules as they are and to everything within requested period of time.

So it might be that in the future, they will either limit spousal sponsorship for non accompanying (for example for first 3-5 years).


Another option would be to exclude the non accompanying option all together except for those legally separated and introduce Quebec system (where there is no such thing marrying fast after your AOR and keeping your points intact).

Because lets be honest, both of these are loopholes and many people are using them because of it.

All this depends on how visible the abuse of these loopholes will be and how the new government after 2019 will look like.

good luck
Exactly - what is being suggested here was as good as circumventing the process. What people are not realizing is that there is a column where you need to explain why spouse is not accompanying when you answer no to spouse being accompanied.

And recently there have been cases observed where people have even got ADR for explaining in more detail the reasons as they were not found satisfactory.

There is a worry IRCC will scrutinize such cases going forward.
 
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Niks_1808

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Hi Guys,

I have done btech in computer science and have the ECA done for this. I am currently in the Express entry pool with 435 points. I was highly hoping to get ITA soon, but the trends do not seem to be in favour.

Meanwhile I started post graduate diploma in Statistics (last year July). Awaiting for the results.
Need help on the procedure to get ECA now, in order to claim points for two or more degrees class.

Please help suggest.
 

indpnv

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Hi Guys,

I have done btech in computer science and have the ECA done for this. I am currently in the Express entry pool with 435 points. I was highly hoping to get ITA soon, but the trends do not seem to be in favour.

Meanwhile I started post graduate diploma in Statistics (last year July). Awaiting for the results.
Need help on the procedure to get ECA now, in order to claim points for two or more degrees class.

Please help suggest.
If it's WES, I believe you can upgrade your previous report to add a credential.
 

AlfredoInans

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this isnt gonna happen - u have two ielts results in between, score will be in lower 450s
Brother! We just need to account the two IELTS results for the upcoming draw. This last draw was predicted to bring light to the life of all around 440 but I don’t know what changed , because there was no IELTS result and hence everyone was optimistic. But I guess two extra days and lot of pending nominations took a toll.
So to summarise, we should stay optimistic but chances of touching 440 are less for the next one atleast.
with two ielts results, it cant be 441 ever. Today many many people got clb 9 and another result is coming next week. Cutoff would be around 445 at minimum in the next draw. Also, there are people with provincial nominations too.
Hi everyone, when has 2 IELTS results ever pushed up the minimum score significantly? I've checked the dates for this year and the only time there was multiple ielts results for one draw was when there were 3-week gaps. Also last year, the only time there was 2 ielts results for one draw was between August 9 and August 23 draw, and then the change was only 1 point (433 to 434) so why is everyone so sure there's going to be a significant change? Even when there's no ielts result, there's no change.
 

Mayur_M

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Exactly - what is being suggested here was as good as circumventing the process. What people are not realizing is that there is a column where you need to explain why spouse is not accompanying when you answer no to spouse being accompanied.

And recently there have been cases observed where people have even got ADR for explaining in more detail the reasons as they were not found satisfactory.

There is a worry IRCC will scrutinize such cases going forward.
New born baby would be a strong enough reason for not accompanying spouse right?
 

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New born baby would be a strong enough reason for not accompanying spouse right?
No, why would it be? Unless there is some big and long term health issue.
A delay of 6 to 12 moths is not really a decision not to immigrate into Canada.
 

Mayur_M

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No, why would it be? Unless there is some big and long term health issue.
A delay of 6 to 12 moths is not really a decision not to immigrate into Canada.
Incase of accompanying spouse do primary applicant and dependent have to land together or can just primary applicant land and then dependents land after few months?
 

hope2018

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New born baby would be a strong enough reason for not accompanying spouse right?
Not necessarily. But let me give some more background.

I think there are few misgivings about this whole process.

Firstly, COPR is for each member of the application and it is not a must that dependants need to make first landing with primary applicant. They can choose to make a landing separately provided it is not done before primary applicant and it cannot be later than date stamped on the passports.

So, basically primary applicant can make a landing first and come back/not come back. Dependants can land at a later date (alone/accompanied with primary applicant) and come back.

Secondly, to maintain PR, one (primary/dependants) needs be in Canada only for 2 out of 5 years. So after their first landing, dependants have the liberty to stay for a longer period outside Canada (can stay up to 3 years if need be) while primary applicant settles down first.

Now this whole question about spouse unaccompanied, it is not a Day 1 question as mostly people assume it to be. Unless one is able to justify well the reasons, it should be carefully exercised. People doing it in the past and getting away with it is no guarantee that IRCC will always be lax about it. They are well within rights to ask for explanation if not satisfied with the response and decide accordingly. Somebody recently active in this forum itself have been asked via ADR.

End of the day it is your personal decision to make an informed decision after doing your own study on this topic.