Questions about a TRV application from Ukraine

[kteague]

I was in Ukraine last month and met a lovely woman and we started dating. Since I got back to Canada, we have been talking on Skype daily and getting along very well. We would like her to come visit me in Vancouver, Canada and meet my friends and family.

I am wondering about her chances of getting accepted for a TRV. Here is the details of the visit we wish to apply for:

* Visit is only one week long. She has two children who will be staying behind with relatives in Ukraine.

* She can provide the birth certificates of her two children as proof she intends to return.

* She does not have a job or a lot of money. She can not provide any proof of financial incentive to return.

* I have a good job with a good income and have had it for a long time. I can provide details of financial support as her sponsor.

* I have a friend who's wife is an immigration lawyer. They will help me with the paperwork so that everything is submitted as best as possible.

Of course, we have no question that she will return. She will not abandon her two children! To prove it to CIC though?

Can anyone say what kind of chances she has for her TRV to be accepted?

The Visa Office in Kiev is listing the TRV application process as only five days right now. This is quick, is that accurate? Are the Ukraine/Canada TRV applications processed that quickly?

 

[mikeymyke]

What about travel history? Assets?

 

[kteague]

No travel history. She is waiting for her foreign passport. No assets either.

 

[mikeymyke]

Then unfortunately, there's a very high chance she will be refused. Also be warned that subsequent refusals will make it harder and harder for her to get a visitor visa each time, so if you want to apply again, be sure she has addressed all the above concerns before trying.

 

[Jalex23]

Visit is only one week long. She has two children who will be staying behind with relatives in Ukraine.

Terrible, families travel together.

She can provide the birth certificates of her two children as proof she intends to return.

How does a birth certificate proves she will be back? Birth certificates only prove that they were born.

She doesnot have a job or a lot of money. She can not provide any proof of financial incentive to return.

Terrible

I have a good job with a good income and have had it for a long time. I can provide details of financial support as her sponsor.

I have a friend who's wife is an immigration lawyer. They will help me with the paperwork so that everything is submitted as best as possible.

Basically this is if not irrelevant a bad signal. The more you help her the worse for her case. You are just proving she has NOTHING to do in Canada and depends completely on you.

Can anyone say what kind of chances she has for her TRV to be accepted?

Slim at best.



OK now. You are doing this all wrong. How would you prove CIC all this is legal? Well first of all you need to prove there is a relationship. For that you need to travel, so travel a lot to her home country. You say you have a good job, so you are enabled to travel. Go on vacation together, build a history that helps CIC to see that you are on an ongoing relationship and you are at the point where you want her to come and stay with you for vacation.

At this point you are running when you don't even know how to walk.

Yes, it is tough but too many stories of third country nations trying to get into Canada or get their family into Canada via marriage or other kind of relationships. So first build a relationship, then show that relationship to CIC. That is the correct way to proceed.

 

[kteague]

Slim at best.

Yeah, this is what I thought might be the answer. She also got the same advice from her friend in Ukraine.

OK now. You are doing this all wrong. How would you prove CIC all this is legal? Well first of all you need to prove there is a relationship. For that you need to travel, so travel a lot to her home country. You say you have a good job, so you are enabled to travel. Go on vacation together, build a history that helps CIC to see that you are on an ongoing relationship and you are at the point where you want her to come and stay with you for vacation.

Yes, thanks. This sounds like good advice and is what I will probably do.

It'd sure be easier to build the relationship if she could visit here first, since she'd be moving to Canada and not me to the Ukraine, but of course the realities of immigration don't seem likely to support that. Plus it's a looong flight to Ukraine, I was hoping to take turns on the flights!

Skype has been great at least. She can still meet friends and family that way and ease her fears of coming here. It's also amazing to be able to have daily chats with someone even when they're living so far away!

 

[nurseph]

Your partner just needs to prove to CIC that she will really come back to her home country after the expiry of her stay.

 

[Jalex23]

It'd sure be easier to build the relationship if she could visit here first, since she'd be moving to Canada and not me to the Ukraine, but of course the realities of immigration don't seem likely to support that. Plus it's a looong flight to Ukraine, I was hoping to take turns on the flights!

That's exactly CIC's fear. They know that in this relationship she will be the one moving to Canada, so she is a potential illegal immigrant, therefore all the red flags are raised.

Skype has been great at least. She can still meet friends and family that way and ease her fears of coming here. It's also amazing to be able to have daily chats with someone even when they're living so far away!

Skype is fantastic, it enables me to talk to my family back home around 9 hours a week without spending a single cent.

 

[kteague]

I was talking more about the process with my girl today. It turns out she does have land worth about $20,000 -- I'm assuming that's CDN since it is 17 acres. She was wanting to build a house on the outskirts of the city but only had funds for the land and did not yet get enough money for the house.

This should help a lot for the case. Would it be enough to give her a good chance at getting the visitor visa?

 

[Jalex23]

I was talking more about the process with my girl today. It turns out she does have land worth about $20,000 -- I'm assuming that's CDN since it is 17 acres. She was wanting to build a house on the outskirts of the city but only had funds for the land and did not yet get enough money for the house.

This should help a lot for the case. Would it be enough to give her a good chance at getting the visitor visa?

She still needs money in her account or if you are going to support her then you need to prove the relationship.

 

[kteague]

She still needs money in her account or if you are going to support her then you need to prove the relationship.

It seems like having money in the account is the better way to apply as it's simpler and just state reasons as "tourism"? Any speculation as to which route has a greater chance of success? Any need to have money and assets and to also prove a relationship or that would not really help at all?