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Let the time be judge of that. The provisions are limited to PRs, but due to my personal high mistrust of this govt, i cannot shed the idea that the Tories will apply these to naturalized Canadians in coming time through additional amendments to the SCCA. I dont trust this govt.

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If you commit fraud during the application process for PR or the process for becoming a Canadian citizen, there will indeed always be reason to look over your shoulder.

A recent case in which an individual who has been a citizen of Canada since the mid-50s lost his citizenship because he failed to fully detail all units he was assigned to serve with when he was a draftee conscripted to serve in the German military in WW II . . . he was Ukrainian who knew German, Russian, and . . . he was drafted by the occupying army to work as an interpreter . . . probably faced the prospect of a firing squad if he attempted to desert. When he came to Canada he failed to list all units he served with. That was deemed a sufficient misrepresentation to revoke his citizenship by a Federal Court decision in January this year.

So sure, any misrepresentation, you can spend the rest of your life looking over your shoulder wondering who might betray you, who might turn you in . . .

For the rest of us, including those among us who are not eligible for citizenship yet but will get citizenship in the coming years, who did not make any misrepresentations in our applications for PR or citizenship, we can come and go from Canada as we please without any apprehension at all that living abroad will have any effect on our rights as citizens of Canada.

BTW: No splitting of hairs necessary to understand that a provision of law that applies only to PRs does not impose any travel limitations on a citizen.
 

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CanadianCountry said:
Let the time be judge of that. The provisions are limited to PRs, but due to my personal high mistrust of this govt, i cannot shed the idea that the Tories will apply these to naturalized Canadians in coming time through additional amendments to the SCCA. I dont trust this govt.
Have you thought moving elsewhere?

If I were you, I won't be happy living with fair and no trusting the government to this extreme extent .... Why has this same government since it is in power allowed MILLIONS of people coming to Canada if their goal is just to expel them?
 

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My political views dont align with this govt. I am all for the NDP at the helm.

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Have you thought moving elsewhere?

If I were you, I won't be happy living with fair and no trusting the government to this extreme extent .... Why has this same government since it is in power allowed MILLIONS of people coming to Canada if their goal is just to expel them?
 

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CanadianCountry said:
My political views dont align with this govt. I am all for the NDP at the helm.
Yes you want to use other people's money except your own. Yes we got it.

Socialism works until it runs out of everyone else's money.
 

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NDP is much to centre than Tories. These right wingers are messing up Canada.

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Yes you want to use other people's money except your own. Yes we got it.
 

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dpenabill said:
If you commit fraud during the application process for PR or the process for becoming a Canadian citizen, there will indeed always be reason to look over your shoulder.

A recent case in which an individual who has been a citizen of Canada since the mid-50s lost his citizenship because he failed to fully detail all units he was assigned to serve with when he was a draftee conscripted to serve in the German military in WW II . . . he was Ukrainian who knew German, Russian, and . . . he was drafted by the occupying army to work as an interpreter . . . probably faced the prospect of a firing squad if he attempted to desert. When he came to Canada he failed to list all units he served with. That was deemed a sufficient misrepresentation to revoke his citizenship by a Federal Court decision in January this year.

So sure, any misrepresentation, you can spend the rest of your life looking over your shoulder wondering who might betray you, who might turn you in . . .

For the rest of us, including those among us who are not eligible for citizenship yet but will get citizenship in the coming years, who did not make any misrepresentations in our applications for PR or citizenship, we can come and go from Canada as we please without any apprehension at all that living abroad will have any effect on our rights as citizens of Canada.

BTW: No splitting of hairs necessary to understand that a provision of law that applies only to PRs does not impose any travel limitations on a citizen.
Alright.Thanks.

Hopefully there will not be any make-up cases by the CIC in the future.
 

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1 quick question. ..

So the new rules kicked in.

I just wanted to know crystal clear that after you get your citizenship, can we go to different countries for work if we get a good opportunity? ? Or if I settle in a foreign country with canadian citizenship, will they revoke it as I pledged the intent to reside. Please clarify guys.
 

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bigben3 said:
1 quick question. ..

So the new rules kicked in.

I just wanted to know crystal clear that after you get your citizenship, can we go to different countries for work if we get a good opportunity? ? Or if I settle in a foreign country with canadian citizenship, will they revoke it as I pledged the intent to reside. Please clarify guys.
It has been ultra clarified like 200 times in these day.

The Canadian LAW allow Canadians to live, enter, exit, etc anytime they want. People is FREE.

Canada is not going to revoke citizenship of hundred of thousands Canadians living their last years of their lifes in warmer countries, it doesn't make any sense.
 

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bigben3 said:
1 quick question. ..

So the new rules kicked in.

I just wanted to know crystal clear that after you get your citizenship, can we go to different countries for work if we get a good opportunity? ? Or if I settle in a foreign country with canadian citizenship, will they revoke it as I pledged the intent to reside. Please clarify guys.
When you settle aboard with a good job way the hell out there you need Canadian Citizenship ?
 

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My political views dont align with this govt. I am all for the NDP at the helm.
Good for you, but in democratic countries like Canada people don't move abroad just because the political party they like wasn't elected.

I like Mulcair, I think he's a decent person. Unfortunately, his ideology would make Canada in another Cuba.
 

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Regarding C-24, plain and simple: the current government (and allegedly most Canadians) wished for a law enabling them to renounce the citizenship of those who get it and then leave Canada. However, such a law would be unconstitutional since it violates the Canadians' right to travel and live wherever they want.

So, bill/law C-24 was the best possible solution from the government's perspective for the perceived problem of the so called "Canadians of convenience". Now if someone chooses to leave Canada after getting its citizenship, the government can argue that he lied in his application about his intention to settle in Canada and hence it has a legal basis to question his citizenship status, possibly leading to renunciation.

Whether the government can actually prove that the applicant didn't have a genuine intention to stay in Canada at the time of his application or not is a different issue. The important thing here is that it can, using this argument, initiate a legal action and drag him into a lengthy and expensive legal process just to prove the contrary, or in other words: turn his life into HELL. No one knows for sure how the government will enact this clause, but it can be used in a very mean way against individuals. Just imagine that, while outside Canada, you receive a notice of citizenship renunciation because you "lied" in your application. You won't be even able to return to Canada to defend yourself in a court of law! Naturalized Canadians will remain under a constant threat of falling in this miserable situation whenever they travel outside Canada for a long period (e.g. for working abroad). This is exactly what the government wants.

Another benefit here is that the government can portray itself in the eye of the public as the defender of the Canadians' interests against those who "abuse" the rights granted by the Charter. Harper can always tell the public: Look, we did our best to act tough on the "Canadians of convenience", but our hands are tied by the Charter and the court verdicts.
 

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asaif said:
Now if someone chooses to leave Canada after getting its citizenship, the government can argue that he lied in his application about his intention to settle in Canada and hence it has a legal basis to question his citizenship status, possibly leading to renunciation.
No, not at all, not really.

See first couple pages of this topic and a half million other similar discussion in which this red herring is debunked.
 

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dpenabill said:
No, not at all, not really.

See first couple pages of this topic and a half million other similar discussion in which this red herring is debunked.
dpenabill, I didn't say that the government will be able to PROVE that he lied. All I'm saying is that the government can INITIATE a legal case based on this clause. This is all what they need to turn a person's life upside-down if they don't like what he does after becoming Canadian.

Once someone gets the citizenship, he/she doesn't want the government to be able to question it based on his future life profile. Citizenship ceremonies must be like wedding ceremnies: if you have an objection, speak now or forever hold your peace
 

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asaif said:
dpenabill, I didn't say that the government will be able to PROVE that he lied. All I'm saying is that the government can INITIATE a legal case based on this clause. This is all what they need to turn a person's life upside-down if they don't like what he does after becoming Canadian.

Once someone gets the citizenship, he/she doesn't want the government to be able to question it based on his future life profile. Citizenship ceremonies must be like wedding ceremnies: if you have an objection, speak now or forever hold your peace
If it's proven that you had another wife, that wedding is annulled by law so everything is subject to verification.

Under the actual law (not the new one) if a judge is satisfied with the proof that you lied when you applied for permanent resident they can revoke it right away, the same with the citizenship so this is nothing new. If you killed 3 people in your country of origin and you hided it and now it's happen they know it, your citizenship and residence could be revoked. You don't need a new law for that.