Quebec vs. rest of CANADA, the one million dollar question.

[Shamooooot]

[size=10pt]Hello dreamers

So I am loosing hope regarding my 429 points in express entry :-[ :-[.

It seems that I am eligible to apply as a skilled worker in Quebec.

I was wondering isn't Quebec easier to migrate to?. What are the main things to be considered here?[/size]

 

[munjal]

[size=10pt]Hello dreamers

So I am loosing hope regarding my 429 points in express entry :-[ :-[.

It seems that I am eligible to apply as a skilled worker in Quebec.

I was wondering isn't Quebec easier to migrate to?. What are the main things to be considered here?[/size]

Hi there..
I don't see any reason for you to loose your Canadian dream
Firstly, you have good score of 429 CRS.. though in near future, it seems that CRS cutoff will not come to these levels, but surely with many provinces coming with their own PNPs, we can expect it in early-2016. (pls done be judgemental here, this is just my opinion, no prediction or statistical observation associated with it). If there is scope for you to increase IELTS scores, You can surely go for this.

I think Quebec skilled worker stream is closed as of now.. They are coming up in with new online system of application processing similar to Express Entry October 2015.

Regarding Quebec province, one thing will go unanimously.. that French Language Skills are must for any applicant who wish to apply and to get settled in this province..

Though, there is no explicit mention about this on their website as well as they mention like it that "You can submit results of French language test, only If you wish to claim for French Language Proficiency", pls be aware of the fact that Quebec and few other provinces such as New Brunswick etc are mainly Francophone provinces and French Language Skills are required to survive/settle in these provinces. (EDIT: Ontario province have also recently introduced an exclusive PNP stream for French speaking applicants.)

Even, they have most of schools and education in French language only. There are very few English medium schools in Montreal, the capital of Quebec province.

Furthermore, Quebec process involves two phases.. first to get Quebec Selection Certificate and then to apply through Federal Process..
thus making it lengthier compared to EE. So, it will involve more money (for Quebec + Federal) and more time for your application to process.

However, you are the best judge of your situation and decide accordingly.

There might be other factors also to consider for this option.
Other senior members can comment about it.

Wish you Good Luck for your application !

 

[Shamooooot]

Hi there..
I don't see any reason for you to loose your Canadian dream
Firstly, you have good score of 429 CRS.. though in near future, it seems that CRS cutoff will not come to these levels, but surely with many provinces coming with their own PNPs, we can expect it in early-2016. (pls done be judgemental here, this is just my opinion, no prediction or statistical observation associated with it). If there is scope for you to increase IELTS scores, You can surely go for this.

I think Quebec skilled worker stream is closed as of now.. They are coming up in with new online system of application processing similar to Express Entry October 2015.

Regarding Quebec province, one thing will go unanimously.. that French Language Skills are must for any applicant who wish to apply and to get settled in this province..

Though, there is no explicit mention about this on their website as well as they mention like it that "You can submit results of French language test, only If you wish to claim for French Language Proficiency", pls be aware of the fact that Quebec and few other provinces such as New Brunswick etc are mainly Francophone provinces and French Language Skills are required to survive/settle in these provinces.
Even, they have most of schools and education in French language only. There are very few English medium schools in Montreal, the capital of Quebec province.

Furthermore, Quebec process involves two phases.. first to get Quebec Selection Certificate and then to apply through Federal Process..
thus making it lengthier compared to EE. So, it will involve more money (for Quebec + Federal) and more time for your application to process.

However, you are the best judge of your situation and decide accordingly.

There might be other factors also to consider for this option.
Other senior members can comment about it.

Wish you Good Luck for your application !

You are the man munjal. Thank you for the very helpful explanation.. I wishh you all the best with your deam

 

[munjal]

You are the man munjal. Thank you for the very helpful explanation.. I wishh you all the best with your deam

Thank you my friend !!

 

[newtoexpressentry]

If I work in ontario and live in quebec will that help me with quebec immigration? I did my education in quebec

 

[munjal]

If I work in ontario and live in quebec will that help me with quebec immigration? I did my education in quebec

Hi, As the new system for Quebec Skilled Worker Immigration is still not announced, it is difficult to comment anything as of now.

But, yes, your previous study in a Quebec Educational Institute may help you to gain an edge over the other applicants. Still, we need to wait for the official announcement of criteria for Quebec Skilled Worker Stream.

Can you share what is the level of your education you completed from Quebec?

Wish you Good Luck with your application.

 

[doobie.doobie]

Hi there..
I don't see any reason for you to loose your Canadian dream
Firstly, you have good score of 429 CRS.. though in near future, it seems that CRS cutoff will not come to these levels, but surely with many provinces coming with their own PNPs, we can expect it in early-2016. (pls done be judgemental here, this is just my opinion, no prediction or statistical observation associated with it). If there is scope for you to increase IELTS scores, You can surely go for this.

I think Quebec skilled worker stream is closed as of now.. They are coming up in with new online system of application processing similar to Express Entry October 2015.

Regarding Quebec province, one thing will go unanimously.. that French Language Skills are must for any applicant who wish to apply and to get settled in this province..

Though, there is no explicit mention about this on their website as well as they mention like it that "You can submit results of French language test, only If you wish to claim for French Language Proficiency", pls be aware of the fact that Quebec and few other provinces such as New Brunswick etc are mainly Francophone provinces and French Language Skills are required to survive/settle in these provinces. (EDIT: Ontario province have also recently introduced an exclusive PNP stream for French speaking applicants.)

Even, they have most of schools and education in French language only. There are very few English medium schools in Montreal, the capital of Quebec province.

Furthermore, Quebec process involves two phases.. first to get Quebec Selection Certificate and then to apply through Federal Process..
thus making it lengthier compared to EE. So, it will involve more money (for Quebec + Federal) and more time for your application to process.

However, you are the best judge of your situation and decide accordingly.

There might be other factors also to consider for this option.
Other senior members can comment about it.

Wish you Good Luck for your application !

Beautifully explained. 1 more thing to add. Once you get your PR you are free to move anywhere in Canada.

 

[munjal]

Beautifully explained. 1 more thing to add. Once you get your PR you are free to move anywhere in Canada.

Thanks doobie.doobie .

However, I can't agree with you on this point.

"Once you get your PR you are free to move anywhere in Canada. "

There is a "Declaration of Intent to Reside in Quebec Province (Schedule-5)" document which is to be signed and submitted by the applicant for Quebec Immigration.
Pls check the link:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/imm0008_5e.pdf.

 

[Asivad Anac]

Thanks doobie.doobie .

However, I can't agree with you on this point.

"Once you get your PR you are free to move anywhere in Canada. "

There is a "Declaration of Intent to Reside in Quebec Province (Schedule-5)" document which is to be signed and submitted by the applicant for Quebec Immigration.
Pls check the link:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/imm0008_5e.pdf.

doobie.doobie is right. Declaration of intent is just that - an intent. Not an obligation or a mandate.

Notwithstanding anything else to the contrary, The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms allows the following mobility rights to citizen and PR.

http://publications.gc.ca/collections/Collection/CH37-4-3-2002E.pdf


Mobility Rights

6.(1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.

(2) Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right

(a) to move to and take up residence in any province; and
(b) to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.

(3) The rights specified in subsection (2) are subject to

(a) any laws or practices of general application in force in a province other than those that discriminate among persons primarily on the basis of
province of present or previous residence; and
(b) any laws providing for reasonable residency requirements as a qualification for the receipt of publicly provided social services.

 

[doobie.doobie]

Thanks doobie.doobie .

However, I can't agree with you on this point.

"Once you get your PR you are free to move anywhere in Canada. "

There is a "Declaration of Intent to Reside in Quebec Province (Schedule-5)" document which is to be signed and submitted by the applicant for Quebec Immigration.
Pls check the link:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/imm0008_5e.pdf.

You don't have to agree to me. You are quoting CIC and the link explains the intent.
Let me quote the constituion itself.
Section 6 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is the section of the Canadian Constitution that protects the mobility rights of Canadian citizens, and to a lesser extent that of permanent residents. By mobility rights, the section refers to the individual practice of entering and exiting Canada, and moving within its boundaries.Under the heading "Mobility Rights," the section reads,

“ 6. (1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.
(2) Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right

a) to move to and take up residence in any province; and
b) to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.

 

[doobie.doobie]

doobie.doobie is right. Declaration of intent is just that - an intent. Not an obligation or a mandate.

Notwithstanding anything else to the contrary, The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms allows the following mobility rights to citizen and PR.

http://publications.gc.ca/collections/Collection/CH37-4-3-2002E.pdf


Mobility Rights

6.(1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.

(2) Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right

(a) to move to and take up residence in any province; and
(b) to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.

(3) The rights specified in subsection (2) are subject to

(a) any laws or practices of general application in force in a province other than those that discriminate among persons primarily on the basis of
province of present or previous residence; and
(b) any laws providing for reasonable residency requirements as a qualification for the receipt of publicly provided social services.

Ditto

 

[munjal]

Thanks for this info.

I was not aware of this.
But then what will be the purpose of this unique document "Schedule-5" remains at all after all these mobility rights and Canadian charter??

Is this just created for the sake of creation?

Do you think the same (all these mobility rights and Canadian charter!!) will hold true with other PNPs such as Manitoba and SINP who are asking their applicants to make similar declarations of Intent to Reside???

 

[Asivad Anac]

Thanks for this info.

I was not aware of this.
But then what will be the purpose of this unique document "Schedule-5" remains at all after all these mobility rights and Canadian charter??

Is this just created for the sake of creation?

Do you think the same (all these mobility rights and Canadian charter!!) will hold true with other PNPs such as Manitoba and SINP who are asking their applicants to make similar declarations of Intent to Reside???

They are declarations of intent. Provinces are naturally selfish of the immigrants that they bring in because it costs them money to bring in quality talent and they would appreciate if the talent isn't just using them to get entry into Canada. They would also be keen on the immigrant talent settling down in the province to add to the provincial tax kitty. Which explains the insistence on getting this declaration signed upfront.

However, the constitution always has the last word.

 

[doobie.doobie]

They are declarations of intent. Provinces are naturally selfish of the immigrants that they bring in because it costs them money to bring in quality talent and they would appreciate if the talent isn't just using them to get entry into Canada. They would also be keen on the immigrant talent settling down in the province to add to the provincial tax kitty. Which explains the insistence on getting this declaration signed upfront.

However, the constitution always has the last word.

Absolutely right. In a democratic setup, the constitution provides the mobility to every citizen. So no matter where you are PR from you can live/work and settle in any province of your choice.
Intent is just an intent that you will settle in that province. Its not a contract.