QUEBEC APPLICANTS LETS SHARE EXPERIENCE

[buzzowski]

Where do we have to write NOC in app? Not mentioned anywhere

Point 5 in Application for selection certificate says:

Have you had training, sanctioned by a diploma, in an area on the List of areas of training awarding 12 to 16 points under the area of training criterion of the selection grid. If yes, indicate the name and code of your area of training as indicated on the list.

Same for point 6.... areas of training awarding 6 points under the area of training.....

 

[buzzowski]

Anyone??

Can someone please try to answer...

I have another question... Point 7 of the application asks for residence address... My spouse and I live in one city where we have habitual residence but addresses on our passports and ID are from the cities where we were born...what should we write for residence address then?

 

[hec006]

hi francaise, Bajan4quebec & other forum members,
Now that we are witnessing tremendous changes in immigration rules for qsw....
It becomes really worrysome for us that new rules will be applicable to old applicants or not.

Now, what i think is that, to evaluate the application for selection certificate, usually IO refers to GPI documents prevailing at the time of application. And points are awarded as per the rules mentioned in this GPI documents.

Such as, for march 2011 applicants, GPI document of march 2011 will be referred.

So, I think this new rule for DELF points will become applicable to all new applicants of April 2012 and after that. It will not afftect the status of applications received on prior date.

May be in case of 2 members quebec2011 & walkingmarvel, it can be due an individual IO who
evaluated their cases based on newer rules, but as general experience, qsw applications are evaluated based on GPI documents prevailing at the time of application is received.

Hello Mkshah, bajan4Quebec,

Whatever you have said is completely as per rule and logical. But also, we can can't avoid the proof declared by francaise.

Moreover, BIQ doesn't put any comments on Points(not in email or any declaration) on individual basis, until the person is getting Preliminary evaluation. We don't know who will be our visa officer and what rule he will apply. This is not logical answer. The IO of Quebec2011, Walkingmarvel etc can't do anything that is against the rule of Quebec immigration.

In addition to the above fact, we don't have any solid proof that any old applicant has been evaluated as per the old rule to nullify the case of Quebec2011, Walkingmarvel.

So whatever has happened for Quebec2011, Walkingmarvel ..same thing will be happened for all.

here result=k.(Quebec Rule) and not Result=k(IO)

K= Assumption of BIQ.. they will select the rule(among all changed rule), which will be applied to old or new or both applicants.

But the main problem, K is not written anywhere. Anybody sends email to BIQ to know about the K, they will say "we don't comments on points".

Now the 16/25 rule is conformed for all. All means old and new both.

A2=2 point. Don't have the proof till now. May be we will get later. Requesting to all to share your preliminary results in detail.

IELTS will be on Old or new rule. Requesting to all to share your preliminary results in detail.

Other cases ... I think will be same.

 

[coolguy001]

Please look at the following cases :

Forum member "Quebec2011"

he had applied on October 2010, that time, 16/25 was not mentioned in guide, but his french points were assessed according to new rule.


Forum member "walkingmarvel"

he had applied on October 2010, that time, 16/25 was not mentioned in guide, look at his interview story.

his french points were assessed according to new rule.


That's why, i have stated in my previous post that it might be applicable for old as well as new and it's just my assumption.

+1

 

[red.mystry]

as per the Quebec Point System

level of eucation 10 points
areas of training 6 points
work experience 4 points
age 16 points
french listening 2 points (as per new april 2012 rules (scored A2 in TEF))
speaking 2 points (as per new april 2012 rules (scored A2 in TEF))
english listening 3 (scored 8.5 bands)
speaking 3 (scored 8.5 bands)
financial self sufficiency 1


total points are 47 points as per the new april 2012 guidlines,

I have collected all the required documents ad even made the draft, yesterday only I saw that the points have changed (now they are giving 2 points for A2 instead for 3)

But when I do the Preliminary Evaluation for Immigration (PEI) on www.form.services.micc.gouv.qc.ca/epi/index.jsp?languageCode=en

then it says that you qualify the points (It seems that you meet the Québec selection criteria.
), please suggest should i apply or not. I am confused

please suggest at the earliest

 

[mdammalli]

as per the Quebec Point System

level of eucation 10 points
areas of training 6 points
work experience 4 points
age 16 points
french listening 2 points (as per new april 2012 rules (scored A2 in TEF))
speaking 2 points (as per new april 2012 rules (scored A2 in TEF))
english listening 3 (scored 8.5 bands)
speaking 3 (scored 8.5 bands)
financial self sufficiency 1


total points are 47 points as per the new april 2012 guidlines,

I have collected all the required documents ad even made the draft, yesterday only I saw that the points have changed (now they are giving 2 points for A2 instead for 3)

But when I do the Preliminary Evaluation for Immigration (PEI) on www.form.services.micc.gouv.qc.ca/epi/index.jsp?languageCode=en

then it says that you qualify the points (It seems that you meet the Québec selection criteria.
), please suggest should i apply or not. I am confused

please suggest at the earliest

Apply without any delay if you can show 2+ years of experience at the time of interview.

 

[francaise]

For applicants who live in France and Belgium​

Quebec Employers are coming to France and Belgium for recruitment. Below are the dates and places :

Paris : 2 et 3 juin 2012
Bruxelles : 5 juin 2012

So it's a good chance to grab a job. Best of Luck

Source : http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/fr/biq/paris/recrutement-france-candidats.html

 

[red.mystry]

Apply without any delay if you can show 2+ years of experience at the time of interview.

Hi Sir,

Do they consider the points at the time of interview or at the time of application, as I will be gathering 2 years + work experience at the time of interview and will again sit for TEF application.

Should I send the application ? PLEASE SUGGEST?

 

[mdammalli]

Why not? provided you should get called for interview...

(As per my knowledge(NOT SURE), they will not call for interview if your score is less than 42)

Update them as soon as you complete 2+ years service and with your TEF score.
Anyhow, you have enough time untill they take any dicision to call for interview.

Dont worry, your case is strong enough to be get called for interview. All the best.

Hi Sir,

Do they consider the points at the time of interview or at the time of application, as I will be gathering 2 years + work experience at the time of interview and will again sit for TEF application.

Should I send the application ? PLEASE SUGGEST?

 

[Xhanim]

Hello friends, I have a problem with the following:

The career I studied in my country (Bsc. Computer Science) takes close to 5 years to complete, plus 11 years of primary + secondary school puts it around 16 hours that it takes to complete it in quebec.

Now, when I started studying the university I was at decided to do 3 periods per year instead of 2, resulting in a shorted period to graduate (3.5 years).. but with the same study pensum. Yet it still took me around 5 years to graduate (my fault here)

So, where does this put me? I really need to know if I count with the 10 + 6 points in degree + AOT because if not I don't meet the minimum requirement :/

Thank you.

 

[nevillek]

Hi friends, need urgent help:

I am about to send my application.

1) Can someone tell me how to put everything inside the envelope in a detailed way? Also, what things to write outside the envelope and how?

2) I have read on this forum that you people used sub-envelopes inside the main envelope and named it A, B, C, etc... what was that about? Please advise.

3) How to write addresses outside the envelope and what else to put outside?

4) The application requires only 1 passport size photograph to be stuck. I don't understand why just 1 photo? Am I missing out something?

5) Should I put passport size photo (3.5x3.5mm) or immigration size photo (3.5x4.5mm)? I am going to put immigration size photo although the checklist says passport size, because my consultant's checklist said immigration size photo.

6) Do I need to write covering letter? If yes, what should I write in it? I have no idea.

7) Is the $750 CAD fee refunded if the file gets returned?

Thank you so much!!!

 

[Bajan4Quebec]

Please look at the following cases :

Forum member "Quebec2011"

he had applied on October 2010, that time, 16/25 was not mentioned in guide, but his french points were assessed according to new rule.


Forum member "walkingmarvel"

he had applied on October 2010, that time, 16/25 was not mentioned in guide, look at his interview story.

his french points were assessed according to new rule.


That's why, i have stated in my previous post that it might be applicable for old as well as new and it's just my assumption.

Hey Francaise,

It's a long post so hold on and bear with me

I am glad you responded so vehemently and the examples you stated because these cases is what I was refering too in my example, I just didnt want to call any names; specifically Quebec2011 and I will tell you why. Firstly for your benefit and everyone else reading this post recall my example: " For example (using French but the same goes for English) if you applied in 2011 and you indicated on your application you knowledge for listening and speaking is 7 and 6 respectively this corresponds to level B2; In fact, at level 7 you are regarded as Francophonie. But if at a later date you submit B1 as proof as the level of French you know you harm your chances as your information does not match - on the old form B1 corresponds to level 5 out of 12 {intermediate not Francophonie}. You could be penalised as overstating you knowledge of French....Consistency is key my friend....

Now I will share two (2) things you probably didnt know about quebec2011 to settle your concerns:

(1)
The example above (claiming on your CSQ application you have B2 knowledge and submitting something else is just what Quebec2011 did: for proof please see http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/qsw-from-ndvo-lets-connect-t92803.15.html...for convenience this is what Quebec2011 wrote:

"Yes the have used the new rule in evaluation of my DELF B1 result as I had 12/25 in listening part and 19/25 in speaking so they have given me 7/16 points. Though I had claimed 12/16 points which is B2, Now I am preparing my appeal papers Hope that work.

Previously it was not mandatory to send french result then they should call me to interview to see my french level as I am in this level now perfectly but I have shortage of time otherwise I am ready to take Delf B2 exam in Mid Feb.

Good luck"

Clearly it could be seen Quebec2011 claimed on his/her application they have B2 knowledge, but submitted scores for B1...Quebec was incorrect in stating that he was scored according to new rules. NO he was scored according to B1. Proof look at page 39 in the 2011 GUIDE DES PROCÉDURES D'IMMIGRATION here http://www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/dynamicSearch/telecharge.php?type=7&file=GPI-5-7.pdf. Firstly in this table look at the rightmost column "Niveaux NCFLS (MICC)"...we can assume to claim B2 Quebec2011 would have placed in his/her application at least level 7 (12 pts) but his supporting documents showed otherwise and he/she was graded to the documents presented which is level 5 or 6 (B1) (at most 8 pts). It's sad but submitting a lower level french knowledge hung the application....I read somewhere that false or misleading information on your application can reject your application. Secondly, it was incorrect to calculate 12/16 (B2) according to what Quebec2011 wrote in the extract above since he was inconsistent in the supporting documents provided. Lesson here be as consistent as possible, our applications go through various and rigourous examinations.

(2)

The other thing you probably didnt know was language was not the deciding factor that Qubec2011 application got rejected - It was the missing of points he/she anticipated. Proof see here http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/quebec-immigration-skilled-worker-program-t60764.1995.html. Again for convenience see below writen by Quebec2011:

"I have DELF b1 my friend and there is nothing like french improvement, they haven't considered some of the points that is the reason for my rejection.

Age 16/16
Qualification 6/12 bachelor of business management
Area of training 0/16
Experience 4/8 I have more than 3 years of experience
french 7/16 I have Delf b1
English 6/6
Wife's age 3/3
Wife's Qualification 0/3
wife's area of training 0
French 2/6
financial self sufficiency 1/1

Good luck everyone"

a) Again we see here he submitted B1 scores but claimed B2 on application. If you calculated the points above even if Quebec2011 got 8/12 (B2 level) the score will be stil insuffcient. Therefore Quebec2011 was greatly concerned with the following;

b) Quebec2011 was concerned for the missing points on the AOT as he/she felt their training was in line with heir qualifications.

c) Experience he/she stated is more tan three (3) years.

d) For Wife's qualifications and AOT got no score.

These herein are the facts of the matter when I researched Quebec2011's case...


For walkingmarvel the information you presented is vague. Mainly because I do not know which level was presented, in your extract it says walkingmarvel took A1/A2 (is it either A1 or A2 or both?...this causes some abiguity for me). Secondly, your extract states However, he brought to our attention that we did not have enough marks to score points in the Oral section. I guess the marks reflect 14 & he said it should be above 16 (I am not exactly sure abt the figures). So even that was a moral breaking ground. Words are very powerful/important and it carries meaning, with this said the word choice by walkingmarvel creates doubt that the new rule was applied to his case. The words "I guess..." and again "I am not exactly sure about the figure" are words one use when making an assumption. Therefore I cannot conclude from walkingmarvel's account that the new rule is applied to old applicants.

What I can conclude though is aim high in your french test, and while waiting for the interview master as much french as you can. Also I repeat the need for consistency to all new appicants failure to be as consistent as possible could result in your applicantion being rejected. Finally, do not get scared and live in fear at another person's experience, your experience is your own and all of our cases will be different...someone could have a good score and do horrible in the interview, someone could have a low score and be selected because of the authenticity of their documents....Embrace your individual experience and Good Luck

Bajan

 

[Bajan4Quebec]

Hi friends, need urgent help:

I am about to send my application.

1) Can someone tell me how to put everything inside the envelope in a detailed way? the safest way is to place your supporting documents in order as it appears on the form. for example, in section 1 where it asks for your name, Date of Birth and such have an eveloped marked something like "background information" with your certifed date of birth etc... in section with education have your certified copies from your schools etc in another envelop and so on"...label them in the order appeared on the CSQ application strike a great first impression

2) I have read on this forum that you people used sub-envelopes inside the main envelope and named it A, B, C, etc... what was that about? Please advise. Me for example place all documents relating to my education, work experience, maritial status (marriage documents if applicable), langauge skills etc in separate envelops from each other labelled education, work experience, maritial statius, langauge proficiency etc...

3) How to write addresses outside the envelope and what else to put outside? Wouldnt you send it by a courier where you can track your package delivery? On the package itself type and "stick on" or "attach" the labels as you would when you send an ordinary air mail letter. Before you send please make copies of everything and please make sure you are sending to the correct BIQ

4) The application requires only 1 passport size photograph to be stuck. I don't understand why just 1 photo? Am I missing out something? Isn't it at least two photos?...how many photos does the application say?

5) Should I put passport size photo (3.5x3.5mm) or immigration size photo (3.5x4.5mm)? I am going to put immigration size photo although the checklist says passport size, because my consultant's checklist said immigration size photo. follow instructions

6) Do I need to write covering letter? If yes, what should I write in it? I have no idea. I wrote a letter of my intent to reside in Quebec, basically my immigration plan...where intend to reside, what Quebec offers, what I am willing to do in Quebec, what I will do if no job (back to school to upgrade) etc...just be honest, most important, why Quebec

7) Is the $750 CAD fee refunded if the file gets returned? Don't make me laugh

Thank you so much!!!

 

[nevillek]

Thanks a million Bajan4Quebec.

The "Application for Selection Certificate" (http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/forms/search-title/dcs-workers/index.html) has a space to stick photos of yourself and accompanying people. So I assume just one photo of mine? But that is weird, isn't it? I don't know!

Also, did you put passport-size photo or visa-size photos?

Also, I did not understand what you said about labels on envelope? Should I print out the BIQ's address on plain paper and stick it on the envelope and stick my address in the same way on the back side of the envelope? Yes, sending it by trackable courier.

 

[francaise]

Hello Mkshah, bajan4Quebec,

Whatever you have said is completely as per rule and logical. But also, we can can't avoid the proof declared by francaise.

Moreover, BIQ doesn't put any comments on Points(not in email or any declaration) on individual basis, until the person is getting Preliminary evaluation. We don't know who will be our visa officer and what rule he will apply. This is not logical answer. The IO of Quebec2011, Walkingmarvel etc can't do anything that is against the rule of Quebec immigration.

In addition to the above fact, we don't have any solid proof that any old applicant has been evaluated as per the old rule to nullify the case of Quebec2011, Walkingmarvel.

So whatever has happened for Quebec2011, Walkingmarvel ..same thing will be happened for all.

here result=k.(Quebec Rule) and not Result=k(IO)

K= Assumption of BIQ.. they will select the rule(among all changed rule), which will be applied to old or new or both applicants.

But the main problem, K is not written anywhere. Anybody sends email to BIQ to know about the K, they will say "we don't comments on points".

Now the 16/25 rule is conformed for all. All means old and new both.

A2=2 point. Don't have the proof till now. May be we will get later. Requesting to all to share your preliminary results in detail.

IELTS will be on Old or new rule. Requesting to all to share your preliminary results in detail.

Other cases ... I think will be same.

Thanks hec006, that's the same thing, i wanted to say... Cheers, +1