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syed_h_sha

Hero Member
Oct 19, 2011
532
19
Category........
Visa Office......
Bufallo now Ottawa
NOC Code......
2173
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
May 2nd 2011
Doc's Request.
Personal History requested on 07-02-2013
Nomination.....
no
AOR Received.
20-01-2012
IELTS Request
N/A
File Transfer...
Ottawa
Med's Request
18-09-2012
Med's Done....
24-09-2012
Interview........
Done with Quebec
Passport Req..
18-02-2013
VISA ISSUED...
01-05-2013
LANDED..........
in Montreal on work permit
respect said:
Hi Syed,
I am about to submit my application for federal. but i am confused about one thing.. do i have to notarize the documents that i send ? CIC website doesn't say anything about certifying the copies. so, i am bit confused.
Yes, it is not mentioned any where.
when you said you are going to submit for federal I assume that you got your CSQ. if so there in the Buffalo visa guide they did mentioned
"If your documents are not in English or French, send a notarized (certified) translation with a copy of the originals"

as there are very few documents to send as a QSW ( like birth certificate and marriage certificate etc.).
even thought they are in English I requested my bank ( TD Bank ) to certify as a true copy. and they did it for free.

I suggest to send them all the documents as a certified true copy to avoid any delays. who knows who will process your file.

regards
Syed
 

a

Hero Member
Apr 8, 2011
231
13
Category........
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
@matgoestocanada

You dont need to take french test but you need to show ur primary/secondary/university grade that mentioned your taking french subjects and it will be more than enough. Hope this help.

A.
 

OsamaR

Hero Member
Mar 24, 2011
682
15
respect said:
Hi Syed,
I am about to submit my application for federal. but i am confused about one thing.. do i have to notarize the documents that i send ? CIC website doesn't say anything about certifying the copies. so, i am bit confused.
Hey respect, I totally agree with syed.. You better be safe and notarize these few documents than sorry at a later stage if they request them to be notarized.
I mean if they are notarized then for sure they will have no problem will that and they will still process them for you, but it won't work the other way around...

Wish you all the best
Good luck :)
 

OsamaR

Hero Member
Mar 24, 2011
682
15
Stngr said:
Thanks :)
From scratch, had some classes back in a day, but only word i remember from then is "un stylo". Around 2-3 hours a day without weekends ;)
Got 18 for listenin, 23.5 for readin, 13 for writing and the only fail - 5.5 for speakin, cause i didn't prepare this part at all, not even self-description - did improvise, maybe gonna retake this test in June to improve speaking points, cause for now i have for sure +3 in CSQ points, it depands, gonna wait for reply from BIQ, cause its about time - app sent on dec 2010...
Thanks a lot Stngr, I got encouraged by your feedback because I was really scared that it might really take something between 3 to 6 months to archive that even with hard study... Thanks :)
 

Baiyang

Star Member
Dec 2, 2010
140
5
Category........
Visa Office......
London
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Jan, 2015
Doc's Request.
14 Sept, 2015 (RPRFee)
AOR Received.
March, 2015
File Transfer...
March, 2015
Med's Done....
Upfront Dec 2014
Passport Req..
22-10-2015
VISA ISSUED...
10-11-2015
LANDED..........
03-12-2015
matgoestocanada said:
Hi Baiyang,

But as french do I really need to do a test of french? Logically No, How abt writing them an email and asking abt yr specific situationIt's my first language...

Thanks a lot anyway.
Matthieu
 

Stngr

Hero Member
Dec 12, 2010
205
25
124
saskatoon
Category........
Visa Office......
Warsaw
NOC Code......
2281
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
03-12-2015
Nomination.....
March 23rd 2016
AOR Received.
April 13th 2016
Passport Req..
July 16th 2016
VISA ISSUED...
CoPR at August 5th 2016
LANDED..........
Nov 1st 2016
Ok, sad news, today i've recieved intention of rejection (perm401) due to insufficient points :-(
So, what i have:
Education: 10 (expected 10)
AOT: 0 (expected at least 6)
Experience: 4 (expected 6)
Age: 16 (expected 16)
French: 2 (expected 2, now have A2 so will get at least 3)
English: 6 (expected 6)
that makes total of 38 out of 42 of preliminary (employability) stage required which sucks, anyway need some advice what to do next with few things:

1st - AOT - how to convince them to compare it against certain quebec degree - i thought about printing list of all classes on similar major on quebec university - what do you think?
2nd - French knowledge - I've passed A2, have results online, but wont get paper diploma within next probably 2 months, which sucks, cause my CSQ file will be rejected in 60 days - can I send them details of AF center i took the exam along with my candidate number to verify it?
3rd - A2 - i got 18 on listening and 5.5 on speakin, according new rules its 3+0, how was A2 counted before dec 2011? Can anyone advice, I can ask then to review my A2 against old rules, which was valid at the time my application was submitted

Appreciate your help on this, as well as any other advices :)
 

talk2melas

Hero Member
Jul 27, 2011
291
7
Category........
Visa Office......
London
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
QSW:October 3rd,2013. Federal : February 16th 2016
Nomination.....
15-02-2015
AOR Received.
QSW:08-04-2014, Federal 20-02-2016
Med's Request
18-03-2016
Med's Done....
26-03-2016
Interview........
QSW: 15-02-2015
Passport Req..
20--04-3016
VISA ISSUED...
24-04-2016
LANDED..........
11-04-2017
Hi Stngr,
So sorry to hear about the rejection by BIQ. I will advise you to do indepth research and then appeal. Show them evidence you should really get 6 for employment. I wish you all the best.
 

Bajan4Quebec

Hero Member
Jan 17, 2012
327
21
Visa Office......
POS, Trinidad and Tobago
NOC Code......
4162-A
App. Filed.......
13-06-2016 Federal
Doc's Request.
08-03-2017
Nomination.....
27-04-2016 CSQ rec'd
AOR Received.
24-10-2016
IELTS Request
Not required
File Transfer...
10-12-2016
Med's Request
08-03-2017
Med's Done....
15-03-2017
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
Passport bio data requested 08-03-2017 submitted March 21, 2017
VISA ISSUED...
Visa exempt country, COPR received April 18, 2017
LANDED..........
May 21, 2017.
Stngr said:
Ok, sad news, today i've recieved intention of rejection (perm401) due to insufficient points :-(
So, what i have:
Education: 10 (expected 10)
AOT: 0 (expected at least 6)
Experience: 4 (expected 6)
Age: 16 (expected 16)
French: 2 (expected 2, now have A2 so will get at least 3)
English: 6 (expected 6)
that makes total of 38 out of 42 of preliminary (employability) stage required which sucks, anyway need some advice what to do next with few things:

1st - AOT - how to convince them to compare it against certain quebec degree - i thought about printing list of all classes on similar major on quebec university - what do you think?
2nd - French knowledge - I've passed A2, have results online, but wont get paper diploma within next probably 2 months, which sucks, cause my CSQ file will be rejected in 60 days - can I send them details of AF center i took the exam along with my candidate number to verify it?
3rd - A2 - i got 18 on listening and 5.5 on speakin, according new rules its 3+0, how was A2 counted before dec 2011? Can anyone advice, I can ask then to review my A2 against old rules, which was valid at the time my application was submitted

Appreciate your help on this, as well as any other advices :)
Hey stngr,

You have given us some happy/sad news...first of all congrats on passing DELF A2. Conversely, I am sorry to hear or the response from BIQ. I posted the following information before, I think it will be helpful to you at this time:

God Forbid ,If you get a letter in the mail from Canada Immigration advising you that your application for Canadian immigration was refused, do not panic! You have options.

You may be eligible to Appeal your Canadian Immigration Application Refusal to the Federal Court of Canada within a certain period after you were notified of the refusal by Canada Immigration.
You may be eligible to Appeal your Canadian Immigration Application Refusal to the Immigration Adjudication Division (IAD) within a certain period of after your application was refused by Canada Immigration.
You may be able to make a request for Restoration to the Case Processing Centre (CPC) after being notified if the refusal.

Which option is right for you:

It depends on a number of factors such as the nature of the case. Is it a Skilled Worker Application, Canadian Sponsorship Application or Canadian Work Visa refusal?

And it also depends on where the Canadian immigration application was filed and processed. Was your Canadian immigration application filed within Canada or at a Canadian Consulate or Embassy outside of Canada?
Why did my Canadian Immigration Application get Refused?

Generally refusals for Canadian immigration applications do not just happen. When applications for Canadian immigration are submitted to Canada immigration, an immigration officer is responsible for reviewing the application and making an assessment about whether the application should be approved or denied. The immigration officer has guidelines for making decisions on immigration cases. These guidelines are found in the Immigration Regulations as well as Immigration Manuals.

When applications do not meet the various standards and criteria set out in the Immigration Regulations and Manuals, then the likely result is a refusal. However, in many cases, Canadian immigration officers make mistakes in their decisions. They often are too strict in their interpretation of the guidelines or they simply fail to review all the documentation and information in an application. Sometimes applicants are called for a personal interview and the immigration officer does not believe the applicant is credible or trustworthy.

Whatever the reason for the refusal, it is important to act very quickly once you are notified that your case was denied. You should then seek out a qualified and experienced Canadian immigration lawyer who is licensed. If your case has merit, then an Immigration Appeal should be considere
sourcehttp://www.visaplace.com/canada-immigration/immigration-refusal.php

Canadian Immigration Application Refusal

It can be devastating to learn that your application to reside in Canada has been refused.

Fortunately, you may have recourse. A Canada immigration officer's decision to refuse an application may be challenged if that decision was wrong in fact or in law, or if that decision is not in accordance with the principles of procedural fairness.

Family Class sponsors have an additional recourse. They can ask that a refusal be reversed by raising humanitarian and compassionate considerations.

You may retain our law firm to provide you with a detailed analysis of the refusal decision. We will also advise you as to which remedies may be available to reverse the refusal decision.

If warranted in your particular situation, we can do the following:

Reconsideration letters– If the refusal was based on an error in fact or in law, and/or if that decision was not in accordance with the principles of procedural fairness, write to the Program Manager of the Canadian Visa Office to point out the errors and to request a reconsideration of the refusal decision;

Appeal – Wrongful refusals may, in certain instances, be appealed to the Federal Court of Canada or to the appropriate provincial court or, in the case of family sponsorships, to the Immigration Appeal Division.

http://www.canadavisa.com/canadian-immigration-application-refusal.html

APPEAL OPTIONS (CANADIAN IMMIGRATION)

The formal place that immigration appeals are made is the Federal Court of Canada. Most people choose to be represented by a lawyer at Federal Court.

The Federal Court is a court that has judges who are lawyers. Federal Court is strict, formal and has more complicated procedures. Federal Court involves a two step process. The first step is to file an appeal to get leave which is done by arguing your case by filing documents with no actual appearance at the Federal Court. In order to get leave to appeal you must prove there was a serious mistake made by the visa officer at the interview. If you succeed and get leave, you get the permission of the Federal court to go to step two which is the actual appearance at Federal Court in person to argue the case.

A typical case would be a skilled worker or business (investor, entrepreneur, self-employed) immigration applicant who goes to the interview at the Canadian Consulate or Embassy overseas, meets with a visa officer and fails the interview. The visa officer will issue a rejection letter setting out the reasons for the rejection. The applicant has a limited number of days (60) to respond and file a notice to commence a court action to appeal the case. If you miss the deadline generally you are not able to file an appeal. There are certain special circumstances and legal arguments that can be made that will allow you to continue even if you miss the deadline.

The general procedure for a Federal Court appeal is after the applicant files the Notice to start the action, the Respondent who is Citizenship and Immigration Canada (“CIC”) files an appearance confirming they will oppose the appeal. The applicant receives a copy of the visa officer's files containing documents filed and most importantly a copy of the interview notes made by the visa officer that have been inputted into the government computer. After a review of this material the applicant will file an applicant's court record containing the written argument, photocopies of legal cases and law supporting the argument and the applicant's affidavit that is a written document telling the applicant's story.

The respondent CIC is represented by the Department of Justice (“DOJ”) and they file their argument. The applicant has a chance to respond to the points made by the respondent in the respondent's argument.

If leave is granted the Applicant gets to go to Federal Court to actually argue the case in person. This usually takes approximately 12-18 months from the date of commencing to appeal to get to Federal Court to argue the case in person. If no leave is granted the appeal is ended.

If you fail at Federal Court, you can also appeal to Federal Court of Appeal. If you fail at Federal Court of Appeal, you can also appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. For both Federal Court of Appeal and Supreme Court of Canada you first must get leave to appeal.
 

ambi1775

Star Member
Jul 19, 2010
184
10
Category........
Visa Office......
Paris
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
02/08/2011
AOR Received.
22/02/2012
Interview........
02/04/2012,csq received same day
Hello Stngr,

This is really a very sad news about your rejection, yes u go for appeal and everybody here will try to help u, regarding your aot points could u please tell us what is your qualification, when u finished your degree, and what is your job at the moment so we try to relate with your qualification.

Regarding point for your French then u can send provisional result with your application appeal.
Regarding your experience send two-three evidence for your job like offer letter , pay slip, promotion letter or any recent letter from your employer that you r working from this company from this time to this time.

Hope u will be allright with appeal.

Ambi

Stngr said:
Ok, sad news, today i've recieved intention of rejection (perm401) due to insufficient points :-(
So, what i have:
Education: 10 (expected 10)
AOT: 0 (expected at least 6)
Experience: 4 (expected 6)
Age: 16 (expected 16)
French: 2 (expected 2, now have A2 so will get at least 3)
English: 6 (expected 6)
that makes total of 38 out of 42 of preliminary (employability) stage required which sucks, anyway need some advice what to do next with few things:

1st - AOT - how to convince them to compare it against certain quebec degree - i thought about printing list of all classes on similar major on quebec university - what do you think?
2nd - French knowledge - I've passed A2, have results online, but wont get paper diploma within next probably 2 months, which sucks, cause my CSQ file will be rejected in 60 days - can I send them details of AF center i took the exam along with my candidate number to verify it?
3rd - A2 - i got 18 on listening and 5.5 on speakin, according new rules its 3+0, how was A2 counted before dec 2011? Can anyone advice, I can ask then to review my A2 against old rules, which was valid at the time my application was submitted

Appreciate your help on this, as well as any other advices :)
 

Bajan4Quebec

Hero Member
Jan 17, 2012
327
21
Visa Office......
POS, Trinidad and Tobago
NOC Code......
4162-A
App. Filed.......
13-06-2016 Federal
Doc's Request.
08-03-2017
Nomination.....
27-04-2016 CSQ rec'd
AOR Received.
24-10-2016
IELTS Request
Not required
File Transfer...
10-12-2016
Med's Request
08-03-2017
Med's Done....
15-03-2017
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
Passport bio data requested 08-03-2017 submitted March 21, 2017
VISA ISSUED...
Visa exempt country, COPR received April 18, 2017
LANDED..........
May 21, 2017.
Stngr said:
Ok, sad news, today i've recieved intention of rejection (perm401) due to insufficient points :-(
So, what i have:
Education: 10 (expected 10)
AOT: 0 (expected at least 6)
Experience: 4 (expected 6)
Age: 16 (expected 16)
French: 2 (expected 2, now have A2 so will get at least 3)
English: 6 (expected 6)
that makes total of 38 out of 42 of preliminary (employability) stage required which sucks, anyway need some advice what to do next with few things:

1st - AOT - how to convince them to compare it against certain quebec degree - i thought about printing list of all classes on similar major on quebec university - what do you think?
2nd - French knowledge - I've passed A2, have results online, but wont get paper diploma within next probably 2 months, which sucks, cause my CSQ file will be rejected in 60 days - can I send them details of AF center i took the exam along with my candidate number to verify it?
3rd - A2 - i got 18 on listening and 5.5 on speakin, according new rules its 3+0, how was A2 counted before dec 2011? Can anyone advice, I can ask then to review my A2 against old rules, which was valid at the time my application was submitted

Appreciate your help on this, as well as any other advices :)

So my advice to you is to start to build your case.

1) you may contact an immigration lawyer and state your case, I am not sure how they will treat with your case if you were not represented by them in the first instance.

2) you recently passed the DELF exam, the only two results Quebec is interested in is listening and speaking...you passed the listening but the speaking will be a factor. listening and speaking points are counted separately - submit your results at once. Opposite to what you stated I am not sure you can retake the DELF once you passed (pass mark is 50) you may have to go to the higher level B1 or A1 so you can pass the speaking and get points for that. Also, you should be assessed on the criteria the time your application was submitted not under the new rules. I think before once you stated your knowledge of French/or English....with a little proof you woul dhave been given the points. Now they are asking persons to verify it with authorized test

3) you indicated you got 0 for AOT double check on this link to see if your AOT is listed, if it is it will be helpful to your case: http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/publications/en/diverses/list-training.pdf

4) Experience
Work experience must have been accumulated during the five years preceding the application date.
Work experience includes remunerated employment and internships, whether remunerated or not.

To gain optimal points for experience your AOT must or should be related to your experience

hope this helps, but start working on an appeal, get into professional help and fight it. Keep us posted and good luck
 

Bajan4Quebec

Hero Member
Jan 17, 2012
327
21
Visa Office......
POS, Trinidad and Tobago
NOC Code......
4162-A
App. Filed.......
13-06-2016 Federal
Doc's Request.
08-03-2017
Nomination.....
27-04-2016 CSQ rec'd
AOR Received.
24-10-2016
IELTS Request
Not required
File Transfer...
10-12-2016
Med's Request
08-03-2017
Med's Done....
15-03-2017
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
Passport bio data requested 08-03-2017 submitted March 21, 2017
VISA ISSUED...
Visa exempt country, COPR received April 18, 2017
LANDED..........
May 21, 2017.
ambi1775 said:
. In your long story u r talking about federal part, but he is refused in BIQ side, so this is nothing to do with federal part.[color]




You missed my point ambi,

even though it points the appeal at the federal level it still have some applicabilty to the quebec selection process. for starters you have to know the basis/nature for the intention to reject and to challenge if neccessary. Visa officers are people also and may make mistakes. my response was to give hope that it doesnt end here for stngr, he only has 60 days....my response was to get him to build a case...so it is not about having nothing to do with the federal part but it has everything to do with challenging the decision made using the federal as an example
 

Stngr

Hero Member
Dec 12, 2010
205
25
124
saskatoon
Category........
Visa Office......
Warsaw
NOC Code......
2281
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
03-12-2015
Nomination.....
March 23rd 2016
AOR Received.
April 13th 2016
Passport Req..
July 16th 2016
VISA ISSUED...
CoPR at August 5th 2016
LANDED..........
Nov 1st 2016
thanks guys, right now i'm going through my university transcript, tryin to compare it against Quebec program and mark as much classes (as per GPI page 25 - "Overall, two thirds of Courses must be related to specialization.") I can from my diploma in relation to quebec classes:
http://www.ita.qc.ca/fr/lapocatiere/finitiale/TPQA/Pages/TPQA.aspx (tab grille de cours) - its worth trying, cause most core classes match and this AOT is worth 12 points (Technologie des procédés et de la qualité des aliments) - briefly my major was 3.5years (7 semester) undergraduate university, tryin to match it with 3 years college from Quebec (no colleges in my country's education system)
thats my biggest concern for now - get through with AOT as it gives most points.
Note: my graduation for this AOT was in 2008, it's not related with my work experniece (except 2 internships included with application) HOWEVER nowhere in GPI is stated it has to be, only that "the best for applicant will be counted"

As for employment - will have letter from my employer (citibank) i worked for more than a year after i've submitted my CSQ app, so this will be +2 without any doubts - everybody loves corporate experience ;)
 

maryr

Star Member
Nov 29, 2011
95
2
Category........
Visa Office......
BIQ-HK
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
November 2011
Doc's Request.
December 2, 2014 (Email)
AOR Received.
January 2012
Hi,

Received my first AOR last night. The letter was dated January 26, 2012.


Osamar,

Please update my status.

Thank you.
 

Bajan4Quebec

Hero Member
Jan 17, 2012
327
21
Visa Office......
POS, Trinidad and Tobago
NOC Code......
4162-A
App. Filed.......
13-06-2016 Federal
Doc's Request.
08-03-2017
Nomination.....
27-04-2016 CSQ rec'd
AOR Received.
24-10-2016
IELTS Request
Not required
File Transfer...
10-12-2016
Med's Request
08-03-2017
Med's Done....
15-03-2017
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
Passport bio data requested 08-03-2017 submitted March 21, 2017
VISA ISSUED...
Visa exempt country, COPR received April 18, 2017
LANDED..........
May 21, 2017.
Stngr said:
thanks guys, right now i'm going through my university transcript, tryin to compare it against Quebec program and mark as much classes (as per GPI page 25 - "Overall, two thirds of Courses must be related to specialization.") I can from my diploma in relation to quebec classes:
http://www.ita.qc.ca/fr/lapocatiere/finitiale/TPQA/Pages/TPQA.aspx (tab grille de cours) - its worth trying, cause most core classes match and this AOT is worth 12 points (Technologie des procédés et de la qualité des aliments) - briefly my major was 3.5years (7 semester) undergraduate university, tryin to match it with 3 years college from Quebec (no colleges in my country's education system)
thats my biggest concern for now - get through with AOT as it gives most points.
Note: my graduation for this AOT was in 2008, it's not related with my work experniece (except 2 internships included with application) HOWEVER nowhere in GPI is stated it has to be, only that "the best for applicant will be counted"

As for employment - will have letter from my employer (citibank) i worked for more than a year after i've submitted my CSQ app, so this will be +2 without any doubts - everybody loves corporate experience ;)
Very good stngr,

The Quebec selection criteria is based on nine factors, these are:

Training
Valid employment offer
experience
age
language proficiency
stay in Quebec
spouse's characteristics
children
self sufficiency

my humble suggestion to you will be to send proof in other areas to gather more points. For example, for self sufficeincy submit a copy of your bank statement(s) on average over the last year to show sufficient funds and obtain that 1 point. look at career sites specific to quebec, print a list that your area of training is in demand in Quebec. For adaptibility (or valid employment offer), demonstrate that you have been applying to these places for work opportunities and indicate it is hard to get the job from the outside but once in Quebec, you will be fine. The point is you want to get as much points to prove your cas, consider those areas that may have been overlooked with supporting proof
 

dhoncarlo

Full Member
Apr 24, 2011
27
2
ambi1775 said:
Hello Stngr,

This is really a very sad news about your rejection, yes u go for appeal and everybody here will try to help u, regarding your aot points could u please tell us what is your qualification, when u finished your degree, and what is your job at the moment so we try to relate with your qualification.

Regarding point for your French then u can send provisional result with your application appeal.
Regarding your experience send two-three evidence for your job like offer letter , pay slip, promotion letter or any recent letter from your employer that you r working from this company from this time to this time.

Hope u will be allright with appeal.



Hi All

What would the french exam test that we need to take?

Ambi