QUEBEC APPLICANTS LETS SHARE EXPERIENCE

[Titoualfruk]

wrong wrong stupid stupid thinking...
u didn't understand, they will send you letter 12 months to learn French and get b2

that's what I understood, so start from now,
recently most who went to interview even b4 December 2011 where asked for French exam, then after sending results they received CSQ by email.

these friends were fluent French, so they letter is read from the topic

Seriously some people are living in cuckoo land.

Have you looked at job offers in Québec? I have and being at C1 & C2 level I am worried I will not find work. Most job offers demand fluent written and spoken English and French, I would say about 95% of the jobs I have viewed.

If you don't want to finish working in McD's, Strabucks or another dead end job, how are you going to do this without French or lots of good luck.

Written and spoken French and English are must haves, not add on options for living in Québec. I am C1 and C2 same level as my other half who is French and trust me I am working hard as f*ck to advance my spoken and written skills in French and he is doing the same in English.

I have not even started to think about writing my CV in both languages, I am even thinking of hiring a professional to do this for me!!!

I have friends who have done intensive language courses and have achieved B2 and even C1 in 6 months, it is possible, but you have to put the effort in.

Before someone flies of the handle, this is my point of view and does not apply to all cases.

I am of course speaking from experience too. So I will give my experience of moving from anglophone to francophone copuntry with basic French.

Basically I arrive in France the 26th March 2006 for a sabatical of 6 months, very little French, in fact the last time I had spoken French was my high school exam which I failed miserably.

After 6 months I decided to stay in France, I have about 80,000€ in the bank and had purchased a house (no mortgage). So I was in a pretty good position financially.

So I bought a car did the weekly shop, paid out for insurance and paid my taxes, unfortunately my other half at the time was not the frugle kind and thought that we could keep spending at the same speed we had done before. This was the start of our problems.

Firstly getting the little one into the local school, try doing that with basic French, trust me complete nightmare, not to mention some other problems that occured at the school. One good point is kids do adapt quickly and do pick up the language at a scary speed, unlike us adults.

So after two years of this that and the other, not working living of the savings, having kept the level of French at the strictly what I needed to know level, my other half comes upto me and says that there is not a lot of money in the bank. I said I know this but that my other half had not reduced the speeding speed.

The comment was well your just going to have to get a job, I am sure you can get a job speaking in English. So off I went to ANPE (french job centre) and was basically just laughed at when they saw my level of labguage and said that I would not find a job in the Charente Region with only English as the fluent language. Mr vous êtes en France ici, nous ne parlerons pas anglais au travaille.

Ok

so after 6 months of trying in the charente I had an interview with a comapny in Marseille, looking for an English person for their English clients. Cool I thought perfect, no problems with that. Had the interview at teh end of the interview was thanked and told in no uncertain terms that I had not got the jobs as I would not be able to communicate with my collegues at the required level. When I left the pffice I was almost in tears. The thought of having to return to the UK becomeing a reality was just not a very nioce feeling.

I then had another few months of agonising, my other half had decided to up sticks and return to the UK, I had given the house I had bought to my other half so that they could sell it and hhave the money to buy something in the UK so that the little one (i am not the dad) had a roof over his head. Cut a long story short we split up...


Just as things were looking bad I got a call from a company in Toulouse looking for an IT helpline person for their sites in the UK but based in Toulouse. Only Englsih required as they have englsih speaking staff. I got the job but still the first year was hell trying to communicate, so I got of my ass and started to learn French, and boy did I learn.


I had had 2 years not working,
Then it took me two years to finds a job that I could do with just English.

I now speak English and French to very high levels C1 & C2 for French and I al trying to change jobs. I have been applying for over a year and have had several interviews, but still they say the French level is not quite high enough.

So when I give comments about French I am speaking from experience, it is important and it is no surprise that they have changed the rules. To me it represents a reality and a level required to integrate correctly into the Québec working environment, I think even B2 is insufficient level.

France is French speaking country and Québec is a French speaking province, they want to keep speaking French and want to protect their language and identity. I understand, it's normal. So it is upto us to adapt. Yeah most people can speak English but do they want to speak English???

Unless you get lucky you are not going to get by with just English in québec and basic French will be good for going to the Epicerie.

Oh by the way Québec French is not exactly the same as French French either, and even for a French person can be difficult to understand as my other half found out in the Restaurant in Québhec and a long history with a Poutine and two old lady servers, who coincidently said they speak Englsih but didn't want to, but we could always go to the other restauarant over the road where they have an Englsih speaking server. The restaurant over the road was of course Mcd's lol

 

[Titoualfruk]

you know they are asking some ppl to sign application that they will live in quebec and some other application that they will work in quebec

it not a game,,

Yeah I saw it in the application forms. There is nothing legally stopping someone leaving the province to move to another part of Canada once they have the RP, which is bizarre in itself. I think there should be a limit that says you have applied to Québec and must live there for at least X amount of time before being able to move provinces, and only then after solid proof that you have tried to settle. This should then be lifted once citizenship is granted.

I know that some people are using the Q PNP as a backdoor to get into Canada with no intention of staying in Québec.

Anyway How is everyone getting on with the applications that have already had the money taken from the bank?

 

[lemans207]

Titoualfruk I am taking French conversation courses, its my 3rd month now, to be ready for Quebec storms
Mostly will end by establishing small business there.

but for your info that quebec will try to get you job, will pay you monthly $$$ if your jobless, not as you landed to france, the difference ull be treated as Canadian, different case, but no doubt not easy.

I want to add info about French, if someone tries to watch French movie, will not understand most of words, because its different from what we learn in schools.
my aunt was in Montreal on 1985, she left after 1 year, she told me that she wasn't understanding their French though she is French educated.

the most what I am worry, you need about 1500$ /months as single x 12 months = 18000$ and 36000$ for 2 years jobless.
we will spend our all in the land of dreams.

but note, technical professions will never find problem hunting jobs

 

[swamik]

Yeah I saw it in the application forms. There is nothing legally stopping someone leaving the province to move to another part of Canada once they have the RP, which is bizarre in itself. I think there should be a limit that says you have applied to Québec and must live there for at least X amount of time before being able to move provinces, and only then after solid proof that you have tried to settle. This should then be lifted once citizenship is granted.

I know that some people are using the Q PNP as a backdoor to get into Canada with no intention of staying in Québec.

Anyway How is everyone getting on with the applications that have already had the money taken from the bank?

There is nothing confusing here, lets take a person who is having very high level of french, and could not get a job matching is skills. He can definitely go to some other province and get the job that matches the skills. Irrespective of a person knowing french, he will try for a job from any where in Canada, and he will settle in the province where he gets the job. However, for only French speakers, the job is limited only to Quebec and they have high probability of settling in Quebec, Even in your case, you being an English and French speaker, you will look for greener pastures, if you cannot find a job fitting your profile in Quebec is it not ?. Can you provide a genuine response to this ? Its not a back door entry or what so ever, its only that people will look for the better living standard, and better jobs matching the profile...I am sure Quebec is a better place to be compared to Ontario, even If I dont know french I would prefer settling in Quebec, but, Even after trying for job for couple of years, if I could not settle, I will look for opportunities elsewhere...

Also, quebec is still a province in Canada, and this is enough reason for a person to move to any province for better opportunities..

 

[lemans207]

There is nothing confusing here, lets take a person who is having very high level of french, and could not get a job matching is skills. He can definitely go to some other province and get the job that matches the skills. Irrespective of a person knowing french, he will try for a job from any where in Canada, and he will settle in the province where he gets the job. However, for only French speakers, the job is limited only to Quebec and they have high probability of settling in Quebec, Even in your case, you being an English and French speaker, you will look for greener pastures, if you cannot find a job fitting your profile in Quebec is it not ?. Can you provide a genuine response to this ? Its not a back door entry or what so ever, its only that people will look for the better living standard, and better jobs matching the profile...I am sure Quebec is a better place to be compared to Ontario, even If I dont know french I would prefer settling in Quebec, but, Even after trying for job for couple of years, if I could not settle, I will look for opportunities elsewhere...

Also, quebec is still a province in Canada, and this is enough reason for a person to move to any province for better opportunities..

swamik do you have anyone in Canada?
Quebec poputaion 8+ million while whole Canada around 30 million, so youll live in 1/3 of Canada population. JOBS CHANCES HIGHER

Also, other place too cold, and too expensive, like house 2 bedroom rent in montreal can be 600$ while Toronto 2000$
also not easy

 

[oszi]

There is nothing confusing here, lets take a person who is having very high level of french, and could not get a job matching is skills. He can definitely go to some other province and get the job that matches the skills. Irrespective of a person knowing french, he will try for a job from any where in Canada, and he will settle in the province where he gets the job. However, for only French speakers, the job is limited only to Quebec and they have high probability of settling in Quebec, Even in your case, you being an English and French speaker, you will look for greener pastures, if you cannot find a job fitting your profile in Quebec is it not ?. Can you provide a genuine response to this ? Its not a back door entry or what so ever, its only that people will look for the better living standard, and better jobs matching the profile...I am sure Quebec is a better place to be compared to Ontario, even If I dont know french I would prefer settling in Quebec, but, Even after trying for job for couple of years, if I could not settle, I will look for opportunities elsewhere...

Also, quebec is still a province in Canada, and this is enough reason for a person to move to any province for better opportunities..

I agree, Quebec is still a part of Canada, and the constitution with all rights defined in it applies to all of Quebec, its citizens and residents too.

Otherwise it is not easy, but far from impossible to find English speaking jobs in Montreal. Especially in IT, where English is basically the common language (all documents, examinations, software products are in English). Titoualfruk tends to exaggerate things here...

 

[swamik]

swamik do you have anyone in Canada?
Quebec poputaion 8+ million while whole Canada around 30 million, so youll live in 1/3 of Canada population. JOBS CHANCES HIGHER

Also, other place too cold, and too expensive, like house 2 bedroom rent in montreal can be 600$ while Toronto 2000$
also not easy

I have a friend in Quebec and Alberta, I have relatives in Ontario and BC...I know Montreal can give me a better quality of living, and I have many jobs that matches my profile in Montreal,

Also, I was actually eligible for immigration through CIC, but ignored them only because I want to settle in Montreal...

 

[Preferred]

Yeah I saw it in the application forms. There is nothing legally stopping someone leaving the province to move to another part of Canada once they have the RP, which is bizarre in itself. I think there should be a limit that says you have applied to Québec and must live there for at least X amount of time before being able to move provinces, and only then after solid proof that you have tried to settle. This should then be lifted once citizenship is granted.

I know that some people are using the Q PNP as a backdoor to get into Canada with no intention of staying in Québec.

Anyway How is everyone getting on with the applications that have already had the money taken from the bank?

Undoubtedly some people want to use the opportunity to get into Canada. They however need to be careful...what if there are changes? What if Quebec says one must reside in Quebec for 3 years before one gets the citizenship? What if there is a RETROACTIVE law against those who moved out of Quebec before they got the citizenship?.... People should be prepared to reside there and plan to speak/understand french well except they dont mind frustrations... Of course there will be genuine cases that may warrant movement to other provinces....but the genuiness may now be assessed on a case by case basis (probably with the request for supporting documents).

 

[lemans207]

I agree, Quebec is still a part of Canada, and the constitution with all rights defined in it applies to all of Quebec, its citizens and residents too.

Otherwise it is not easy, but far from impossible to find English speaking jobs in Montreal. Especially in IT, where English is basically the common language (all documents, examinations, software products are in English). Titoualfruk tends to exaggerate things here...

lol programming //configurations are English but im not sure, but applications are French, so easy to learn the applications in French.(low level support)

if you need to work as consultant, you need to be fluent French to write reports.

Note read bill 14 language rules, companies more than 26 staff French is language.

Titoualfruk in not tending to exaggerate things here... just discussing, you must learn from his mistakes and experience, that's so useful info

 

[adi22]

I think if Quebec want immigrants to stay in their province than they must create job opportunities not only for french speakers but even for english speakers, perhaps will be good for Quebec economy rather than changing rules for their own self interest to accept immigrants with french knowledge and not considering thousands of applicants who applied under old rules and forcing them to learn french to be considered and thereby shattering their hopes. This is not acceptable!! I think, whoever supports this have either received their csq or are french speakers!!

 

[swamik]

lol programming //configurations are English but im not sure, but applications are French, so easy to learn the applications in French.(low level support)

if you need to work as consultant, you need to be fluent French to write reports.

Note read bill 14 language rules, companies more than 26 staff French is language.

Titoualfruk in not tending to exaggerate things here... just discussing, you must learn from his mistakes and experience, that's so useful info

There is a difference here, if you are performing duties to cater to different geographies then it will be in English only, even if I am doing software development for Blackberry or Apple. However, the business will be run in French, thus, the internal communication will be in French, like, Salary Slip, confirmation letters, etc.

 

[swamik]

I think if Quebec want immigrants to stay in their province than they must create job opportunities not only for french speakers but even for english speakers, perhaps will be good for Quebec economy rather than changing rules for their own self interest to accept immigrants with french knowledge and not considering thousands of applicants who applied under old rules and forcing them to learn french to be considered and thereby shattering their hopes. This is not acceptable!! I think, whoever supports this have either received their csq or are french speakers!!

Quebec lost its economic importance since it took stance on language policy. Only if there is a inclusive growth can the success be guaranteed...Even in non English speaking countries in Europe, English has a significant place, which no one can deny. multi geography communication requires English. With all said, I am happy with my kid going to French school as knowing French is definitely an asset...

 

[coolnspicyalwaz]

Good day all, I am new on the forum and I need an information please, if someone applied for Csq while he was working and when it is time for the interview the person is no more working will it affect the assessment?
This is because my job for now is with a private firm and I do not know how long it will last and also considering the time it takes to process for Csq.

 

[DebR]

I agree, if you applied before 1st of August, and new rules apply to you, then if the principal applicant had at least A2 (for DELF A2 with 16+ score out of 25), and points are between

• 39-49 for single applicant
• 43-57 for those with spouse where both had A2+
• or 47-57 with spouse, where only one of them had A2+

will get 18 months to improve french to at least B2, or higher, to reach 49/57 points for preliminary examination.

If you still have at least 49/57 with language points by the new rules, then they will start preliminary examination / interview call etc. normally, as B2 is not mandatory for processing.

Dear oszi,

i have applied in February 2012 and I don't know my preliminary evaluation has begun or not and i am at 64 points in old rule or in new rule currently so can you or anyone has any idea what will happen in my case...

my point summary is as follows:
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Education : BSc. in Computer Science and Engineering (4 years) + MBA in Finance (2 years) -----10+2=12 Points as old
Aot : Computer Science and Engineering -------6 points as old rules / ------- 12 points as new rules
age : 16 points
exp : Information technology Manager-----------(6 years++) 8 points
Ielts : L: 5.5, R: 5 , W: 6, S: 6 --------4 points
French : TCFQ EC : A1 , EO: B1 --- 5 points as old rule / ------- 0 points as new rule
Finance: ---- 1 point
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Sub Total points for Applicants : 52 points as old rule / 53 points as old rule

Spouse
=========
age : 3 points
French : 2 points (TCFQ A2 in both)
Education : 3 points as old rule ------- BSc. in Computer Science and Engineering (4 years) + MBA in Finance (2 years)
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Sub Total points for Spouse : 8 points

kids
======
kids : 4 point
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Sub Total points for Kids : 4 points

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Total : 52+8+4 = 64 (as old rule) / 53+8+4 = 65 (as new rule)
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I am under which point

• 43-57 for those with spouse where both had A2+
• or 47-57 with spouse, where only one of them had A2+

or other..... Pls advise on urgent basis

 

[signalmaker]

Dear oszi,

i have applied in February 2012 and I don't know my preliminary evaluation has begun or not and i am at 64 points in old rule or in new rule currently so can you or anyone has any idea what will happen in my case...

my point summary is as follows:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Education : BSc. in Computer Science and Engineering (4 years) + MBA in Finance (2 years) -----10+2=12 Points as old
Aot : Computer Science and Engineering -------6 points as old rules / ------- 12 points as new rules
age : 16 points
exp : Information technology Manager-----------(6 years++) 8 points
Ielts : L: 5.5, R: 5 , W: 6, S: 6 --------4 points
French : TCFQ EC : A1 , EO: B1 --- 5 points as old rule / ------- 0 points as new rule
Finance: ---- 1 point
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub Total points for Applicants : 52 points as old rule / 53 points as old rule

Spouse
=========
age : 3 points
French : 2 points (TCFQ A2 in both)
Education : 3 points as old rule ------- BSc. in Computer Science and Engineering (4 years) + MBA in Finance (2 years)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub Total points for Spouse : 8 points

kids
======
kids : 4 point
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub Total points for Kids : 4 points

========================
Total : 52+8+4 = 64 (as old rule) / 53+8+4 = 65 (as new rule)
========================

I am under which point

• 43-57 for those with spouse where both had A2+
• or 47-57 with spouse, where only one of them had A2+

or other..... Pls advise on urgent basis

what is the code u used for your aot ? have you used the pure computer engineering code ? or the computer science code ?