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Asivad Anac said:
Yes.

Remember that 20% is not an official limit. IRCC is free to question everything but typically they wouldn't bother with credit transactions smaller than that amount.
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Asivad Sir,

I am filling the form post ITA. What we need to fill in the numbers of hours/week for company for which I have worked?

I googled it but I am getting mix answers as 30/40/45. In India we have to complete 9 hrs a day to call a full day work.

Please suggest what to fill in the blank for numbers of hours/week for company ?
 

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45, In addition to this on employer reference letter get it written "permanent/full-time employee"
 

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Hi,
I am about to submit my profile have a little concern regarding my POF requirement.

1) My last 2 months average statement is a bit low some where around $11,800, but last month i was able to get the money and now the current balance is $12,245. will it make any problem as this is not a big difference?do they want the LICO for all 6 months or if the case is like me its ok?? i am working in canada will also attach my job letter.

2) I have two banks and both of them add together to make it up to LICO, just to be sure they sum it up to see the actual balance right??

Please Reply Seniors!!!
 

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kakmam1 said:
Asivad Sir,

I am filling the form post ITA. What we need to fill in the numbers of hours/week for company for which I have worked?

I googled it but I am getting mix answers as 30/40/45. In India we have to complete 9 hrs a day to call a full day work.

Please suggest what to fill in the blank for numbers of hours/week for company ?
if u r working 9 hours then (9Hrs X 6 days a week) = 54 u can write maximum of 48 as per international labour law. 8x6=48
 

Peregrin Took

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Hello,

I recently received 600CRS point from OINP. I also got my ITA.

However, I have certain concerns.

Initially, In my express entry profile, I did not include my common law partner as I ticked the single/never married option.
Having got the ITA, I modified the form and included my common law partner.

I attempted to update the express entry profile to change the single never married status, but apparently it is frozen/greyed out and cannot be updated.

My inquiry goes thus: will the above scenario affect my chances of getting the Permanent Residency?

Another concern is that I have two master degrees, (in architecture and urban planning). I have an ECA from WES for just one of the degrees. I am concerned that the degree that has the ECA isn't relevant to my current NOC code/line of work. Please kindly advice if the above scenario will be a problem.
 

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Peregrin Took said:
Hello,

I recently received 600CRS point from OINP. I also got my ITA.

However, I have certain concerns.

Initially, In my express entry profile, I did not include my common law partner as I ticked the single/never married option.
Having got the ITA, I modified the form and included my common law partner.

I attempted to update the express entry profile to change the single never married status, but apparently it is frozen/greyed out and cannot be updated.

My inquiry goes thus: will the above scenario affect my chances of getting the Permanent Residency?

Another concern is that I have two master degrees, (in architecture and urban planning). I have an ECA from WES for just one of the degrees. I am concerned that the degree that has the ECA isn't relevant to my current NOC code/line of work. Please kindly advice if the above scenario will be a problem.
Not sure how this is related to the topic, but in my knowledge you have to start it all again to add your partner, as this would affect your whole process and CRS points.
About ECA, you only need those degrees related to your NOC and that will give points.

I.e. if you only got ECA from Architecture, then your degree points is related to "one degree" only, you cannot choose the "two degrees" option.

- (one degree) Bachelor's degree OR a three or more year program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute 112 120
- (two degrees) Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees. One must be for a program of three or more years 119 128
 

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I have recently opened my bank account about a month ago since I was using my husband's account uptil now. But since I am the pa now, I had to open the account and also my parents are gifting me a large sum of money. My only question is, is it compulsory to show the pnp officer, the bank statements of minimum 3 or 6 months? I have the required amount in my bank account now plus affidavits and gift deed from my parents but only 1 bank statement with letter of explanation that I was using my husband's account and this is my newly opened account etc. Will it be enough or will the officer reject my application due to lack of bank statements?
 

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Hello everyone,

I am new to this forum and I hope you guys can help me with a few issues concerning proof of funds. I personally live in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq. I currently have an account for the Express Entry with 411 points. I recently did another IELTS test and by inputting my new IELTS score (8.5/9), I will have over 480 points, potentially leading to an ITA.

Before getting an ITA, I wanted to sort out the documents needed, and one of these documents is Proof of Funds. Being single, I will only need $12.164. I personally have triple that amount in cash, but not in a bank account, and this is what I want to enquire about.

Iraq is going through some very difficult times financially and so far, close to half a dozen banks have closed down, with many people losing tens of thousands of dollars in the process. All the other banks that are still open refuse to allow account holders to withdraw their money, or put severe restrictions on it (such as withdrawing only $100 per day). For that reason, it is an extremely unwise and risky decision to keep money at any bank in the country.

First question: Since I only have cash (no property or such), what advise can you give so that I prove I have the adequate amount of money (other possible alternatives?).

Second question: Is it mandatory to have the required amount in the bank account consistently for six months? The reason for asking this question is that if it is absolutely mandatory to have an official bank statement, then I think I will bite the bullet and deposit some $15.000 in my Bank of Baghdad account (currently, I have only a couple of hundred dollars there just to keep the account active), with the real possible risk of not being able to withdraw it later, or even losing it completely. But then, that would mean that the money was added just prior to writing the statement and uploading it to the eAPR. Will that still be acceptable?

I have heard that this might raise some alarm bells with the officer handling my application, what can I do to assuage his/her concerns and inform them of the reason for doing that (depositing a large sum in one go), and how can I explain my situation to them (through the eAPR?). Any advice or suggestion would be appreciated.

Third question: I also have a Barclays account (I studied in the UK in 2013/14). The account is in my name, but the address is a UK address, not Iraqi-Kurdish. First, is it OK for the address to be different from where I currently live? Second, because I no longer live in the UK, I cannot get an official notarized statement from them, so will an online statement from my Barclays account suffice as a proof of fund for my Express Entry profile?

Final question: All of my money is in US dollar, not Canadian dollar. If I deposit money, does it have to be in CAD only, or is it OK in other currencies as well? Will the officer handling my application do the currency conversion or do I have to do it on the bank statement? Some explanation would be appreciated.

Thank you all so very much for your understanding and support. I realize that my questions are numerous and very specific, but this is a great opportunity that I do not want to squander, and I genuinely appreciate your kind help.
 

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Zagros Ahmed said:
Hello everyone,

I am new to this forum and I hope you guys can help me with a few issues concerning proof of funds. I personally live in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq. I currently have an account for the Express Entry with 411 points. I recently did another IELTS test and by inputting my new IELTS score (8.5/9), I will have over 480 points, potentially leading to an ITA.

Before getting an ITA, I wanted to sort out the documents needed, and one of these documents is Proof of Funds. Being single, I will only need $12.164. I personally have triple that amount in cash, but not in a bank account, and this is what I want to enquire about.

Iraq is going through some very difficult times financially and so far, close to half a dozen banks have closed down, with many people losing tens of thousands of dollars in the process. All the other banks that are still open refuse to allow account holders to withdraw their money, or put severe restrictions on it (such as withdrawing only $100 per day). For that reason, it is an extremely unwise and risky decision to keep money at any bank in the country.

First question: Since I only have cash (no property or such), what advise can you give so that I prove I have the adequate amount of money (other possible alternatives?).

The best way to deal with this is to try and identify friends/family in Canada or anywhere outside Iraq who would be willing to 'gift' you the required money into a bank account in your name. That bank account can be within Iraq or anywhere on the planet - the only restriction is that it must be in your name. The gift transaction is recommended because it is impossible to prove source of funds for cash. And IRCC will want you to prove conclusively that the funds belong to you and aren't borrowed. The gift transaction takes care of that problem. In lieu of this gift transaction, you can just hand over the equivalent cash to friends/family so that it is simply an accounting entry for everyone concerned.

Second question: Is it mandatory to have the required amount in the bank account consistently for six months? The reason for asking this question is that if it is absolutely mandatory to have an official bank statement, then I think I will bite the bullet and deposit some $15.000 in my Bank of Baghdad account (currently, I have only a couple of hundred dollars there just to keep the account active), with the real possible risk of not being able to withdraw it later, or even losing it completely. But then, that would mean that the money was added just prior to writing the statement and uploading it to the eAPR. Will that still be acceptable?

I have heard that this might raise some alarm bells with the officer handling my application, what can I do to assuage his/her concerns and inform them of the reason for doing that (depositing a large sum in one go), and how can I explain my situation to them (through the eAPR?). Any advice or suggestion would be appreciated.

Not mandatory at all. If it is risky to keep the money in an Iraqi bank, try keeping this money elsewhere. Do you have an account in a non-Iraqi bank? Or can you get one now? If that is possible, get the aforementioned gift monies deposited into the new non-Iraqi bank account. That way, you solve both problems. You won't get questioned on source of funds and your money is secure in a non-volatile environment.


Third question: I also have a Barclays account (I studied in the UK in 2013/14). The account is in my name, but the address is a UK address, not Iraqi-Kurdish. First, is it OK for the address to be different from where I currently live? Second, because I no longer live in the UK, I cannot get an official notarized statement from them, so will an online statement from my Barclays account suffice as a proof of fund for my Express Entry profile?

I'm answering questions as I read them so the other replies might not reconcile completely with this reply based on this "new" information. Address can be different from where you currently live. Get the aforementioned 'gift' transaction to be credited to Barclays account. Do not attempt to deposit your cash into it - you'll run into the same problem of having to prove source of funds (impossible with cash). In addition to proof of actual transfer of funds, you'll also need a signed self-declaration from the donor explicitly stating that these funds are a gift not a loan hence need not be returned to them at any point in time. That should suffice. Online statements wouldn't suffice. You'll either need a letter from Barclays (on their letterhead) with all required details including 6 months average balance or you'll have to attach 6 month bank statements (on the letterhead, dated and signed by bank officials).

Final question: All of my money is in US dollar, not Canadian dollar. If I deposit money, does it have to be in CAD only, or is it OK in other currencies as well? Will the officer handling my application do the currency conversion or do I have to do it on the bank statement? Some explanation would be appreciated.

Can be in any currency. No harm in converting at your end on the bank letter or the officer is completely capable of doing this at their end. The currency exchange rate as on date of submission is applicable. If there is a wild variation in currency exchange rates (unlikely to be the case with USD), IRCC may ask you for additional POF at a later date.

Thank you all so very much for your understanding and support. I realize that my questions are numerous and very specific, but this is a great opportunity that I do not want to squander, and I genuinely appreciate your kind help.
 

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Dear Asivad Anac,

Thank you so very much for taking your time helping me out. I genuinely appreciate your kind help. Your suggestion makes perfect sense, and that is precisely what I will do. Just to be sure, I will recap everything here and would be grateful if you could confirm that this is the method you suggested.

Basically, I will send my brother (who is currently studying in the UK and also has his own Barclays account) some 20.000 USD (more than the required amount, but just to be on the safe side) and he will add it to his own account. From his account, he then "gifts" it to my Barclays account (by "gift", I assume you mean normal transfer of money from one account to another? I would appreciate it if you could confirm that), and then he will write a letter clearly stating that the money is a gift, not a loan, and that he does not want it returned to him now or at any point in the future. I then get a dated and signed bank statement on letterhead from Barclays, which will contain all required details, including six months average balance, and use it for my eAPR. This statement then will (most probably) be enough as a proof of funds, is that right?

Additionally, if the above is correct, do you think it is a good idea to also include a letter of explanation mentioning that I have additional money in cash, but have not put it into the local bank account because of the financial situation and the risk of losing it/not being able to withdraw it?

Once again, my utmost appreciation for your invaluable support.
 

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Dear Asivad
I have these doubts regarding pof:
1. I have been maintaing the requisite balance in my account for last 5 months and will wait till end of thus month to make the funds 6 months old, I have time till 9-4-16 to submit my E APR. O have not debited any money from my account since the time i deposited requisite amt.Would that be an issue as funds have been lying untouched in the account since october??
2. I also have an FD in my account which has been booked with an instruction of automatic renewal and it got renewed in December 2015 last yr. Even though its a case of Renewed FD bank will show it as an Fd booked in Dec when it"ll issue me Balance Certificate. What shld i do?

Plz guide.

Thanks in advance
 

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Zagros Ahmed said:
Dear Asivad Anac,

Thank you so very much for taking your time helping me out. I genuinely appreciate your kind help. Your suggestion makes perfect sense, and that is precisely what I will do. Just to be sure, I will recap everything here and would be grateful if you could confirm that this is the method you suggested.

Basically, I will send my brother (who is currently studying in the UK and also has his own Barclays account) some 20.000 USD (more than the required amount, but just to be on the safe side) and he will add it to his own account.

Yes. Ensure that you don't use your Barclays account for this transaction.

From his account, he then "gifts" it to my Barclays account (by "gift", I assume you mean normal transfer of money from one account to another?

Yes.

I would appreciate it if you could confirm that), and then he will write a letter clearly stating that the money is a gift, not a loan, and that he does not want it returned to him now or at any point in the future. I then get a dated and signed bank statement on letterhead from Barclays, which will contain all required details, including six months average balance, and use it for my eAPR. This statement then will (most probably) be enough as a proof of funds, is that right?

Yes. Except that there will be a significant difference between 6 months average balance and current balance BECAUSE of the gift transaction. You'll highlight this in the LoE and clearly point out to the officer that this difference is because of the gift transaction and then point them to the proof of such transaction (signed gift declaration AND proof of transaction). Just connecting the dots to make it easier for them.

Additionally, if the above is correct, do you think it is a good idea to also include a letter of explanation mentioning that I have additional money in cash, but have not put it into the local bank account because of the financial situation and the risk of losing it/not being able to withdraw it?

Not needed. They don't care if you have more money than required.

Once again, my utmost appreciation for your invaluable support.
 

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KNinja said:
Dear Asivad
I have these doubts regarding pof:
1. I have been maintaing the requisite balance in my account for last 5 months and will wait till end of thus month to make the funds 6 months old, I have time till 9-4-16 to submit my E APR. O have not debited any money from my account since the time i deposited requisite amt.Would that be an issue as funds have been lying untouched in the account since october??

Not at all.

2. I also have an FD in my account which has been booked with an instruction of automatic renewal and it got renewed in December 2015 last yr. Even though its a case of Renewed FD bank will show it as an Fd booked in Dec when it"ll issue me Balance Certificate. What shld i do?

Ask your bank to explicitly mention that it was auto-renewed in December. And add additional documentation to prove that this wasn't due to borrowed funds.

Plz guide.

Thanks in advance
 

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Thank you so very much Asivad. You are a life saver. I'm grateful for your invaluable advices.