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Pregnant PR-Husband Visit Visa Refused

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I am 35, this is my first child from my first marriage and this wasn't unplanned. I came as a federal skilled worker in May 2016 and didn't plan to marry from my home country but life doesn't go entirely as planned. And for instance if I got sick and wanted to call my husband to Canada would you suggest me to do my due diligence before becoming sick. I have been a user of this forum since 2013 and my frustration lies in the fact of justifying unfair rule of IRCC. I think even if he had showed more ties or even if he was employed it would be rejected because we belong from a high risk country. However these cases should be judged on their individual merit.

And thank you for some of the regressive statement. It shows that you don't have to be educated to be enlightened or living in a developed country still one can always expect this kind of mentality. Its not the woman only who gets pregnant, both are expecting a baby and its an important phase for both the spouses. So the "blame" of the "woman" getting pregnant lies on both of them.

And cancuck, thank you for your concern. Yes I have healthcare coverage and eligible for mat leave benefits and would be applying soon.
 

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I am 35, this is my first child from my first marriage and this wasn't unplanned. I came as a federal skilled worker in May 2016 and didn't plan to marry from my home country but life doesn't go entirely as planned. And for instance if I got sick and wanted to call my husband to Canada would you suggest me to do my due diligence before becoming sick. I have been a user of this forum since 2013 and my frustration lies in the fact of justifying unfair rule of IRCC. I think even if he had showed more ties or even if he was employed it would be rejected because we belong from a high risk country. However these cases should be judged on their individual merit.

And thank you for some of the regressive statement. It shows that you don't have to be educated to be enlightened or living in a developed country still one can always expect this kind of mentality. Its not the woman only who gets pregnant, both are expecting a baby and its an important phase for both the spouses. So the "blame" of the "woman" getting pregnant lies on both of them.

And cancuck, thank you for your concern. Yes I have healthcare coverage and eligible for mat leave benefits and would be applying soon.
It is rather unfortunate that your husband was denied TRV. The purpose of getting a TRV is to get a visa to visit Canada TEMPORARILY. That's the key word. With your husband's PR in process , that illustrates to IRCC that he is NOT going to visit Canada temporarily but intends to stay in Canada permanently. So why would IRCC give a TRV to anyone who intends to stay permanently. There is nothing unfair about this IRCC's policy. They are simply following the rules / laws of issuing TRV's. The onus is on the husband that he will leave Canada after entering. That is something a lot of married spouses have a lot of difficulty in getting TRV, much more so while their PR application is in process. You should know this and how IRCC operates as you have been a user of this forum for 5 years.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no one to blame in your situation. It's not IRCC's fault to deny your husband's TRV nor is it your fault to get pregnant. There's no faults or blame to go around. It is what it is.

In the meantime, good luck with your upcoming baby and hope for the best in raising the baby without your husband being there at your important moment until your husband lands as PR.
 
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My cousin's friend's husband TRV application was denied a couple of months ago and she gave birth to her son in Toronto alone. My cousin and I thought the reason behind rejection is because she didn't apply for his PR - A person who is PR in this country wants to be citizen eventually and live in this country, would like to start a family should have logically applied for her husband's PR. We all thought that probably the IRCC made the decision on the fact that husband would overstay the visit visa otherwise she would have gone through the sponsorship route.

Anyway the reason I am objecting is because I think its unreasonable but obviously most of you think that the decision is reasonable. So before the more experienced members of this forum kindly inform me that its my pregnancy hormones or woman raging, I dont want to comment anymore. Thank you!
 
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My wife got her visitor visa despite being married to me. We submitted a very strong visitor visa application that tries to address any potential issues. The main issue a lot of people have is they just go in unprepared, thinking its just a matter of sending in the basic documents, when they really need to go deep and really demonstrate they're not an overstay risk.

It's hard enough to get one as a spouse, but having a baby on the way definitely increases the refusal chances.
 

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My cousin's friend's husband TRV application was denied a couple of months ago and she gave birth to her son in Toronto alone. My cousin and I thought the reason behind rejection is because she didn't apply for his PR - A person who is PR in this country wants to be citizen eventually and live in this country, would like to start a family should have logically applied for her husband's PR. We all thought that probably the IRCC made the decision on the fact that husband would overstay the visit visa otherwise she would have gone through the sponsorship route.

Anyway the reason I am objecting is because I think its unreasonable but obviously most of you think that the decision is reasonable. So before the more experienced members of this forum kindly inform me that its my pregnancy hormones or woman raging, I dont want to comment anymore. Thank you!
Your husband was denied TRV for the same reason your cousin's husband got denied. They are both married to you and your cousin, thus the strength or ties to Canada becomes an overriding factor over their ties to own's country. Your husband's PR application probably made it more worst for establishing more ties to Canada than your cousin's husband was. Spouses will naturally want to stay together with their spouses regardless of strength of their own country. Family bond is much higher than you think it is. It's so easy to tell IRCC or anyone that the spouse will leave Canada after being together. Once you are together especially after a baby is born, everything will change, including your husband wanting / needing to stay. IRCC has the same reasoning thus why spouses rarely get TRV.
 
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Can understand why women would want their husband's to join the for the birth of their baby. The other way is easier because the husband can often visit the wife in another country. We've seen the same thing happen to many women. Unfortunately you didn't think to research this specific issue in advance so you could either delay getting pregnant or get prepared knowing your partner couldn't join you. There are countless posts where women are shocked that their husband has been denied a visa or their mother if she doesn't qualify for a visa. Think you have to consider that by selecting PR outland they expect that a spouse will only be able to enter Canada after the sponsorship is complete.
 

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I am 35, this is my first child from my first marriage and this wasn't unplanned. I came as a federal skilled worker in May 2016 and didn't plan to marry from my home country but life doesn't go entirely as planned. And for instance if I got sick and wanted to call my husband to Canada would you suggest me to do my due diligence before becoming sick. I have been a user of this forum since 2013 and my frustration lies in the fact of justifying unfair rule of IRCC. I think even if he had showed more ties or even if he was employed it would be rejected because we belong from a high risk country. However these cases should be judged on their individual merit.

And thank you for some of the regressive statement. It shows that you don't have to be educated to be enlightened or living in a developed country still one can always expect this kind of mentality. Its not the woman only who gets pregnant, both are expecting a baby and its an important phase for both the spouses. So the "blame" of the "woman" getting pregnant lies on both of them.

And cancuck, thank you for your concern. Yes I have healthcare coverage and eligible for mat leave benefits and would be applying soon.
It’s very unfortunate that your husband won’t be with you for the brith of you child. I feel terribly for you both. IRCC can very strict on certain issues, and the CBSA can be too. Sometimes the decision making process doesn’t make much sense to people. A lot of people also don’t realize that IRCC and the CBSA are separate departments with different mandates. They obviously share a common goal with regard to migration, and they have access to each the same pool of data and information.

As a foreign national of a country that requires a visa to travel, you need to convince IRCC to grant the visa and the case that you make has to be watertight, to the point of overkill. IRCC will rarely solicit you for further information and clarification. Any doubts they have will likely result in a rejection. Also bear in mind that if you convince IRCC to issue you a visa, you still have another challenge ahead, the CBSA. The CBSA officer at the PoE can also deny entry if they’re not satisfied that person will leave at the end of the stay, or if they feel there’s some misrepresentation.

Foreign nationals from visa exempt countries don’t face these challenges. They can simply arrive at the PoE and all they have to do is convince the CBSA to approve their entry. It’s quite literally half the battle. IRCC and the CBSA put in place visa requirements for a reason and maybe they go easier on admission requirements for these foreign nationals because they find them to be less risky? I’m assuming that’s reason these countries are visa exempt in the first place.

It also seems like a lot of foreign nationals don’t realize that they have zero rights at a PoE for a country of which they’re not a citizen. Any admission granted is done so at the sole discretion of the border officer. In Canada, even when someone has a TRV, OWP, etc they’re not guaranteed readmission if they leave Canada. The documentation clearly states this. There’s probably very little chance of an OWP holder being refused entry after something like a vacation. But the point is that CBSA is under no legal obligation to let the person back in to Canada, despite their seemingly valid status granted by IRCC. I could be wrong on this too, but I don’t think even PR status gives you a legal right to readmission. A PR not meeting residency requirements, or having their status revoked in their absence for an infraction/misrepresentation, could easily be refused admission. Only a Canadian citizen has that legal right to admission and can’t be prevented from entering the country.

There have been cases of out of status PR applicants awaiting the processing in Canada, receiving a removal order from the CBSA out of the blue and duly being removed to their home country, only for IRCC to eventually approve the PR application and then being allowed to return and land accordingly. The CBSA is pure enforcement in this context. IRCC will gladly process out of status applications, but they can’t prevent the CBSA from removing someone. Even if the removal will end up being temporary. Separate departments with different mandates.

The point to this is that no rejection of a visa or admission is fair to someone who’s on the receiving end of that decision. There’s nothing you can do though to change it, unfortunately. PR rejections can be challenged, visitor visa rejections can’t.

I hope your PR application is approved soon and all three of you can be reunited. Good luck with the birth of your baby and try to keep as stress free as possible. I know it’s hard for you right now, but you’ll all likely be together very soon.
 
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Yes, I think it's easy to look at it from the standpoint of, "He's gonna get the PR in a couple of months anyway, so what's the big deal?" but at the end of the day, TRV is a temporary visa. Officers issuing it must be satisfied that the person will leave Canada when they say they will.

Look at it from their perspective:

  • Pregnant wife
  • Wants to visit to be there for the birth of child
  • Has applied for PR
What if, for example, the PR application gets denied? The man is in the country with his wife and newborn child. A ton of people wouldn't overstay and would go back and do the process legally via appeals and other tools at their disposal. However, there's a portion of them who would just stay instead. It's not difficult to imagine.

I also personally know a woman who applied for her husband's PR outland and tried to get him a TRV when her due date was nearing. Didn't work, even though they went above and beyond with proof of ties to his home country and the like. She gave birth without him there and he got his PR about four months later. I think he's actually due to land soon now, it's been about a month since he got approved.

It's really just the way it goes and when one looks at the rules and regulations objectively, it's understandable why.
 

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@1887CAN I do believe that citizens and PR holders are the only ones with the right to enter the country, though it does make sense that this wouldn't apply if you let your residency obligation lapse or something like that. But I have seen it mentioned in quite a few places, that citizens and permanent residents are the only ones with a guaranteed entry, usually in these threads when people try to explain that pretty much anyone can be turned away for whatever reason.

And it's true for visa exempt countries - I'm from one and I visited Canada four times before getting married. I'm 100% convinced I wouldn't have gotten a visa if I had to go through that process. My ties to my country consisted of me being enrolled in a university program basically; no property, businesses, money or jobs to my name plus I was visiting my girlfriend with visits ranging from 8 to 12 weeks. Obviously, I never overstayed and was never going to, but I can definitely see myself getting easily refused if my country wasn't exempt. So yeah, it really does suck for a lot of people.
 
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@1887CAN I do believe that citizens and PR holders are the only ones with the right to enter the country, though it does make sense that this wouldn't apply if you let your residency obligation lapse or something like that. But I have seen it mentioned in quite a few places, that citizens and permanent residents are the only ones with a guaranteed entry, usually in these threads when people try to explain that pretty much anyone can be turned away for whatever reason.

And it's true for visa exempt countries - I'm from one and I visited Canada four times before getting married. I'm 100% convinced I wouldn't have gotten a visa if I had to go through that process. My ties to my country consisted of me being enrolled in a university program basically; no property, businesses, money or jobs to my name plus I was visiting my girlfriend with visits ranging from 8 to 12 weeks. Obviously, I never overstayed and was never going to, but I can definitely see myself getting easily refused if my country wasn't exempt. So yeah, it really does suck for a lot of people.
I see, that’s good to know. I wasn’t sure if it was just citizens with an absolute legal right of admission, or if that included PRs too. It makes sense though, PRs by status, have all the legal rights of citizens, just no power to vote. I suppose if you don’t meet your residency obligations, you actually stop being a PR, thus the CBSA aren’t refusing admission to a PR, as that person no longer has any status.

I’m visa exempt too, and remember every time I’ve been admitted to Canada the CBSA officer barely asked any questions and certainly didn’t do any in-depth digging into my ties to my home country, etc. I guess they have a way of using their instinct and the probability of risk that person poses. Maybe the visa exempt element removes a significant portion of any risk a visa required foreign national typically poses. It’s a shame that some people are automatically assumed to be higher risk just because of their nationality, and then made to work harder to convince a border officer to allow their entry. That’s just how these things are.
 
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My husband has been denied 4 times now.
3 times since being with me. This last time we submitted so much proof and again denied.
 

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I must come to the defense of OP as well.

In this particular case, we have a pregnant woman who wanted her husband to be there for the birth of their child. If we actually believe in this "families together" image, we can at least agree that hey, the anger is not only understandable, but is okay. That said, both OP and her partner literally did everything expected of them, yet they were denied. No amount of time on this message board or outside research and preparation would have changed the decision handed them. And that is justifiably upsetting.

I hope OP's family ends up together sooner rather than later.
 

Ailia Sohail

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Hello everyone,

I just got to learn that my husband's Visit Visa Application has been refused. His PR application is under process. Later, I applied for his temporary resident visa/visit visa so he could be with me during my delivery which is expected to be on the first week of November as PR application takes 1 year to process.

This has been stated in the Refusal Letter:

Following an examination of your application, I am not satisfied that you application meets the requirements of the Act and the Regulations for the reasons explained below. Please note that only the grounds that are checked off apply to the refusal of your application. You have not satisfied me that you would leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident. In reaching this decision, I considered several factors, including:

Family ties in Canada and in country of residence
Length of proposed stay in Canada
Purpose of visit


I am totally thrown off by this decision because, I have provided marriage certificate plus documents from the government office, my ID card from my home country declaring me as his wife. He lives with his parents at his home country/country of residence and runs a registered business and each and everything has been attached.

For length of proposed stay in Canada under visitor visa documents they expect you to to attach return ticket which we did from Oct 19, 2018 to Jan 2, 2019

Purpose of Visit: I attached doctor's report from Canada stating my EDD (Expected date of Delivery) and I attached a letter stating that I am pregnant and would like to invite my husband. I have literally no one with me who can take care of me during this time or the time of delivery.

I have attached everything they ask for. I work for a semi-government organization of Canada, attached my tax returns, employment letter, proof of where I live and proof that I am able to bear my husband's living expenses. I have also attached proof that I have applied for his PR and I expect it to be processed by May 2019!!

Where did I fail? This is so frustrating. Please help me. My friend advised me to meet my local MP to appeal this decision. Has any of you did this before? I am skeptical to reapply because the people who refused the application once would refuse it again because it seems to me that they haven't fully checked all the documents attached with the application so I am thinking of challenging this decision instead of reapplying. Please advise! Thank you!
Hey, I wanted to know how was ur procedure? Did it work out? I am pregnant and shifting back to Canada in December. My delivery date is in end April 2020. What should my first step be? I really need guidance.
 

Ailia Sohail

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My wife got her visitor visa despite being married to me. We submitted a very strong visitor visa application that tries to address any potential issues. The main issue a lot of people have is they just go in unprepared, thinking its just a matter of sending in the basic documents, when they really need to go deep and really demonstrate they're not an overstay risk.

It's hard enough to get one as a spouse, but having a baby on the way definitely increases the refusal chances.
Hello, I have plans of shifting to Canada in December 2020. My delivery date is end April. I need to start with my husbands visit visa application. Can you please guide me as what should my first step be?
 

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Hey, I wanted to know how was ur procedure? Did it work out? I am pregnant and shifting back to Canada in December. My delivery date is in end April 2020. What should my first step be? I really need guidance.
Lets put it this way, the more you "want" to come to Canada, the more they have reason to deny you...
A tourist who is well off in his own country (and can prove it), who just wants to see Niagara Falls and wont care much if he didn't get to see it - THEY WILL get a TRV :p Its like with women, the more you chase them, the less they want you haha...