PR Renewal and Citizenship..Msafiri, Leon, scylla, etc. PLEASE advise!
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The RQ for PR almost have the same questions you have in the Citizenship one but has also some extra questions. Unfortunately, I didn't keep a copy with me. In the interview they kept asking about your employment history, places of residence, and travel history and visa stamps in the passport.
Thanks egyo. Did you also receive a citizenship RQ?
Also, please anyone who receives a PR RQ, scan it before you fill it out and contact me. It would be very helpful to have a public copy of this available on the internet. Thanks!
Also, please anyone who receives a PR RQ, scan it before you fill it out and contact me. It would be very helpful to have a public copy of this available on the internet. Thanks!
Hi eileenf,eileenf said:
I did not know you get RQ for renewing PR card, it is so frustrating. Can you please tell me, if you know, or anybody else knows on what triggers RQ in the PR case? would it make the case worse if the person is residing abroad while waiting on the citizenship? Thanks a lot.
It's a hard question to answer. I imagine that most people who receive PR RQs also receive citizenship RQs, since if there are concerns that an applicant hadn't met the 2/5 year PR residence obligation, there may also be concerns that the applicant hasn't met the 3/4 year citizenship residence obligation. Egyo, if you haven't received a citizenship RQ yet, I would recommend being prepared for that.egyo said:Thanks! But i haven't got any feedback on my question till now!!
Because the revamped citizenship RQ policy is only about 18 months old, not enough time has passed for there to be very many people who can speak from experience as to whether their citizenship approval closely followed their PR card renewal.
Though a PR card denial would lead to the denial of a citizenship application, it's hard to say whether a successful PR card renewal would have significant impact on a concurrent citizenship application.
I myself was approved to my PR card renewal almost 4 weeks ago, but I'm waiting for either delivery or to be informed that I will need to pick it up in person (which can sometimes involve an interview). We'll see. My citizenship application, submitted 28 months ago, is presumably collecting dust on a shelf like many thousand other applications.
Yolka, I only recently found out about the PR RQ as well. I have heard nothing about triggers, never seen the form or seen a full report of the questions and documentation required. (If egyo is inspired to type out the questions and document requirements, I'm sure it would be helpful and interesting to many other PR renewal/citizenship applicants).
I would assume that a foreign address on the PR card renewal application might be a trigger though.
Congrats on your PR renewal. If you review Eileenf's website she has a Citizenship RQ form obtained by a seasoned ATIP requester on another forum. Check what additional questions you recall on the PR RQ that may not be on the Cit RQ....I'm especially curious to know if it requires evidence from 'landing date' or from when you first arrived in Canada as this makes a difference in the volume of documents to be submitted.egyo said:
Dealing with your query - it depends. If there are any residence concerns at CIC then processing of both PR Card renewal and Citizenship is placed on hold especially if PR Card renewal referred to Local Office. The conundrum here is what residence timeline CIC had concerns with for your application ie is it just the 2/5 or also the 3/4 years. For PR renewal they just had to be satisfied with your 2 years presence. It also depends where in the timeline this is...is it in year 3 of the 4 years or year 2 of the 4 years? CIC's questioning at your PR Card renewal would be a clue. Which years did they appear to focus on? It also depends on whether CIC granted PR Card renewal with H&C grounds rather than point if law grounds...did they clearly state they believed you had 730 days or did they give you their day count that ideally was 1095+ days? One would need to have your landing date, PR Card renewal date, Citizenship application date and all absences for both PR Card renewal and Citizenship qualifying time periods to give you a more concrete answer.
I expect processing will resume in your case but you may still be RQd for citizenship since you have self employment with travel as a trigger. The citizenship officer may also decide to refer you to see the Citizenship Judge either on his/ her concerns or even a pass the buck type scenario. I second that you should ready your docs for a potential Cit RQ. Did you ever get your GCMS notes...there may be a hold up to too based on your other clearances especially the CSIS side. In summary residency issues shouldn't now stop citizenship processing but CIC will not fast track you..at best you are back onto 'in process'.
Thank you eileenf. I agree, foreign address could trigger RQ. The problem also is I can not put my foreign address on the application form, it requires Only addresses (mailing and residential )in Canada. I can attach a cover letter perhaps to explain my situation :'( thats the only way for me I guess :-(eileenf said:
True that the PR Card renewal form asks for a current residential address in Canada in Q13. If the applicant is in fact not residing in Canada then best to write N/A on here. One could argue the alternative could be to cross the word Canada out and write the country you are in but this more messy. Include the current overseas address in the Q20 section which will have Canadian presence too for the 5 year period. IIRC there was an OB for CIC to require all out of country PR Card renewal applicants to collect their PR Cards in person so they can verify the passport stamps. Best to also include a cover letter indicating that you reside abroad but meet the 730 days requirement.Yolka said:
The IRPA regs just state the application must originate in Canada not that you have to be physically present in Canada but I'm expecting the Federal Court to seal this loophole off soon. Most applicants just mail the form to someone in Canada who forwards on to CIC or they make an 'application' trip to Canada. As always instead of Parliament simply amending the regs to resolve this CIC just gets round this by making the process more complex with RQs etc.
Thank you so much Msafiri, I appreciate your prompt reply. I just can not afford frequent travelling to Canada but would not mind to go and pick up my PR card in person (at least I will not have to wait for its renewal away from my family). I will definitely attach the cover letter then and ask my parents in law to mail my application to CIC.Msafiri said:
I wish CIC issues long term PR cards, at least until we get out citizenship, is in't it too much work/money for them to keep extending it! considering the fact that the citizenship process is way to slow.
PR Card validity linked to the Residence Obligation at 5 years though those under report/ investigation get a 1 year validity PR. So many PRs already disregard the RO due to CIC historically turning a blind eye to absences and focusing on the validity as proof the PR is not in breach. This is starting to change though with a more inquisitive 'when were you last in Canada' line of questioning seeming to becoming the norm. Picture the breach with 10 year PR Cards!!! If CIC go down the 10 yr validity route they would need to monitor and record PR entries/ exits, amend the 2/5 year rule to say a 6 month period and scrap the accompanying citizen spouse loophole.Yolka said: