PR CARD RENEWAL LOOONGGG CASE NOOWWWW

[hkdvirdi]

Hi,

I applied for PR card renewal last year. Local Office in this case windsor got my application on december 10th 2012. From that time as far as i know they were running their investigation for all the documents i provided them and all that. They also sent me letters in august 2013 saying they need all my record from last 5 years and i sent them all documents and copies of all the pages of my passport. I have called call center numerous time and they said they dont have any update apart from the august stuff. So my question is what is the best thing i can do to find out what is going on? Isnt their any system where we can contact the immigration in person and enquire about my file? or its just i have to wait ( but its been too long for PR CARD RENEWAL)

 

[am4u2ster]

Hi,

I applied for PR card renewal last year. Local Office in this case windsor got my application on december 10th 2012. From that time as far as i know they were running their investigation for all the documents i provided them and all that. They also sent me letters in august 2013 saying they need all my record from last 5 years and i sent them all documents and copies of all the pages of my passport. I have called call center numerous time and they said they dont have any update apart from the august stuff. So my question is what is the best thing i can do to find out what is going on? Isnt their any system where we can contact the immigration in person and enquire about my file? or its just i have to wait ( but its been too long for PR CARD RENEWAL)

Did you ever call CIC- call center agent, ask them a specific question why there is a delay.

 

[Msafiri]

Hi,

I applied for PR card renewal last year. Local Office in this case windsor got my application on december 10th 2012. From that time as far as i know they were running their investigation for all the documents i provided them and all that. They also sent me letters in august 2013 saying they need all my record from last 5 years and i sent them all documents and copies of all the pages of my passport. I have called call center numerous time and they said they dont have any update apart from the august stuff. So my question is what is the best thing i can do to find out what is going on? Isnt their any system where we can contact the immigration in person and enquire about my file? or its just i have to wait ( but its been too long for PR CARD RENEWAL)

Your case is under the non routine processing category which appears to mirror to a great extent the same category for Citizenship processing. Based on forum feedback and case law expect a 12-18 months processing time with the spectrum end where you are to be interviewed. Something in your profile/ file raised a major flag with CIC but then again it may be just for Quality Assurance/ Program Integrity reasons. Are you self employed with travel in the 5 year period as this seems to be the main flag? You can make a request for your GCMS notes via the ATIP process on the CIC website. These notes may or may not show the reason for delays - where these are intelligence related and/or impact on CIC operational aspects expect extensive and/or complete redaction of sections.

 

[hkdvirdi]

Did you ever call CIC- call center agent, ask them a specific question why there is a delay.

They never tell me the reason for delay. They just tell me its just oh its some investigation going on nothing more elaborate

 

[hkdvirdi]

Your case is under the non routine processing category which appears to mirror to a great extent the same category for Citizenship processing. Based on forum feedback and case law expect a 12-18 months processing time with the spectrum end where you are to be interviewed. Something in your profile/ file raised a major flag with CIC but then again it may be just for Quality Assurance/ Program Integrity reasons. Are you self employed with travel in the 5 year period as this seems to be the main flag? You can make a request for your GCMS notes via the ATIP process on the CIC website. These notes may or may not show the reason for delays - where these are intelligence related and/or impact on CIC operational aspects expect extensive and/or complete redaction of sections.

I think the major red flag here could be that i didnt completed the 730 days within the 5 years period. Some lawyer told us to apply after i complete my 730 days here in canada. Which i did and applied when i actually completed. Would this help?... And what is this GCMS notes via ATIP process. I also have an immigration consultant but i dont wana go through them because everytime i go they charge me 500$ any information i need.

Thanks really appreciate this info

 

[Alurra71]

If you did not complete 730 days in Canada in your 'rolling' 5 year period yet applied for renewal anyway, this would be EXACTLY why it is taking so long to renew your card. You failed to complete your RO.

 

[Msafiri]

ATIP - Access To Information and Privacy. These are the 2 acts (legislation) on how to obtain data from 'data' controllers/ holders/ storage etc.

Privacy Act pertains to info of a 'private'/ 'personal' nature that identifies a particular individual to a detailed extent e.g you can ask CIC to give you information on your PR Card renewal or citizenship application. There is no cost for this.

Information Act pertains to info on an individual or non individuals that is not considered 'private' in detail relative to the Privacy Act e.g. you can ask CIC how many PR applications they processed at the Beijing Visa Post. This costs $5.

GCMS - Global Case Management System. CIC's database where they record any info on your file for immigration and citizenship. Thus you request your GCMS notes from CIC via the ATIP process. The CIC default section for ATIP is the Information Act i.e the site directs you towards paying the $5 but you don't have to if you use the Privacy Act.

CIC are required to issue the data request 30 days after receiving it but they can extend it for operational reasons e.g. too many people asking for the info. Also the notes are not directly understandable as they may be in code. CIC are not obligated to decipher this for you. You can ask for physical files which will include any hard copy notes. However CIC again are exempted from providing any info that interferes say with enforcement. They do this by blanking out/ redacting parts or all the notes so you may get notes that have almost the entire section redacted.

Your post is typical of posters who profess an issue as to delay but as they provide more detail it becomes apparent why they got RQd. Where are the 2 years you have in the 5 year window...are they a single block or multiple blocks? Were you working in Canada at any time? You did the right thing to apply with 730 days but CIC won't just take your word for it they found something in your file. Did you apply on an urgent basis at exactly 730 days? What were you doing during your absences i.e. did you work abroad? It could be using a consultant is an issues? Did they submit the renewal application for you? Were you in Canada when you submitted it? You would have to reveal a lot more about your profile to get a better ideas as to RQ reasons - understandably in a public forum like this its a hard call.

 

[hkdvirdi]

ATIP - Access To Information and Privacy. These are the 2 acts (legislation) on how to obtain data from 'data' controllers/ holders/ storage etc.

Privacy Act pertains to info of a 'private'/ 'personal' nature that identifies a particular individual to a detailed extent e.g you can ask CIC to give you information on your PR Card renewal or citizenship application. There is no cost for this.

Information Act pertains to info on an individual or non individuals that is not considered 'private' in detail relative to the Privacy Act e.g. you can ask CIC how many PR applications they processed at the Beijing Visa Post. This costs $5.

GCMS - Global Case Management System. CIC's database where they record any info on your file for immigration and citizenship. Thus you request your GCMS notes from CIC via the ATIP process. The CIC default section for ATIP is the Information Act i.e the site directs you towards paying the $5 but you don't have to if you use the Privacy Act.

CIC are required to issue the data request 30 days after receiving it but they can extend it for operational reasons e.g. too many people asking for the info. Also the notes are not directly understandable as they may be in code. CIC are not obligated to decipher this for you. You can ask for physical files which will include any hard copy notes. However CIC again are exempted from providing any info that interferes say with enforcement. They do this by blanking out/ redacting parts or all the notes so you may get notes that have almost the entire section redacted.

Your post is typical of posters who profess an issue as to delay but as they provide more detail it becomes apparent why they got RQd. Where are the 2 years you have in the 5 year window...are they a single block or multiple blocks? Were you working in Canada at any time? You did the right thing to apply with 730 days but CIC won't just take your word for it they found something in your file. Did you apply on an urgent basis at exactly 730 days? What were you doing during your absences i.e. did you work abroad? It could be using a consultant is an issues? Did they submit the renewal application for you? Were you in Canada when you submitted it? You would have to reveal a lot more about your profile to get a better ideas as to RQ reasons - understandably in a public forum like this its a hard call.

so here is my case .

my card was issued to me on june 2006 and expired june 2011.. i came to canada in 2006
and returned to india after 2 months .. then again i came back in 2009 june when they flagged me on airport about
meeting my residency requirements... spent 2 months again and went back to india.. i was completing my bachelors
in india so couldnt leave that in between. This was biggest reason that i wasnt able to spent time in canada.
but then from january 2010 to june 2010 i stayed in canada then had to go back again to recieve my bachelors
degree. But from september 2010 i have been living in canada and applied for pr card renewal in october 2012
( card expired 2011 june) .. in meantime i have finished my masters here from ryerson university and have a car loan
on my name

i have been working in canada from november 11 2010
no i didnt apply on urgent basis
Yes the consultant submitted my renewal application with a cover letter and all those things
yes i was in canada when they submitted the application

hope this information is helpful as it has all the things that happened to me over the last 5 years

Again i really appreciate your information

 

[Alurra71]

Looks like they are goign to check deeply as your 5 year period would extend back to Oct 2008. You were flagged about breaching the RO in 2009. I personally think this is what is causing your delay. Also, how many 'extra' days did they allow for the 730 from Sept 2010 to Oct 2012? If you showed up on Sept 30,2010 and applied on Oct 1, 2012 that could also be a reason to look at it more closely. Did you leave, even for a vacation or anything in that time frame?

You have a LOT of time out of Canada from the time you 'landed' and from what I have been reading on this forum, that is going to cause a large headache all by itself.

Good luck though.

 

[hkdvirdi]

Looks like they are goign to check deeply as your 5 year period would extend back to Oct 2008. You were flagged about breaching the RO in 2009. I personally think this is what is causing your delay. Also, how many 'extra' days did they allow for the 730 from Sept 2010 to Oct 2012? If you showed up on Sept 30,2010 and applied on Oct 1, 2012 that could also be a reason to look at it more closely. Did you leave, even for a vacation or anything in that time frame?

You have a LOT of time out of Canada from the time you 'landed' and from what I have been reading on this forum, that is going to cause a large headache all by itself.

Good luck though.

i filed my application 2 weeks after i finished my 730 days. And no i didnt leave for any vacation within that time frame.


Worse case scenario would they call for interview or not? or that to depends on who is handling the case?

 

[hkdvirdi]

Please any reply would be appreciated

 

[Msafiri]

You are lucky to not have been reported and PR lost given your absences in the initial 5 year window from landing date. You may or may not be interviewed no one knows - it depends on whether the documentation you submitted satisfies the officer processing your file. You are no longer in the regular processing stream so calling CIC will always get you the same response of 'we are working on this'. If you are unhappy with this then your only option is to sue CIC by taking them to the courts so they can speed the process up. The courts will not entertain your claim because your delay is not beyond the usual timeline for complaining to the court which is around 4 years of delay. Also what problem do you face as you don't have a PR Card is the other issue you will need to address to the courts.

Did you submit proof of your job such as pay stubs, T4s, Notice of Assessments? Any leases? Bank statements?

Do you have a copy of the form the consultant submitted to CIC and does this match the dates you declared? You should be aware that CIC also investigates in great detail applications submitted by consultants that are considered to have credibility issues or known to file applications with false residence declarations.

 

[hkdvirdi]

You are lucky to not have been reported and PR lost given your absences in the initial 5 year window from landing date. You may or may not be interviewed no one knows - it depends on whether the documentation you submitted satisfies the officer processing your file. You are no longer in the regular processing stream so calling CIC will always get you the same response of 'we are working on this'. If you are unhappy with this then your only option is to sue CIC by taking them to the courts so they can speed the process up. The courts will not entertain your claim because your delay is not beyond the usual timeline for complaining to the court which is around 4 years of delay. Also what problem do you face as you don't have a PR Card is the other issue you will need to address to the courts.

Did you submit proof of your job such as pay stubs, T4s, Notice of Assessments? Any leases? Bank statements?

Do you have a copy of the form the consultant submitted to CIC and does this match the dates you declared? You should be aware that CIC also investigates in great detail applications submitted by consultants that are considered to have credibility issues or known to file applications with false residence declarations.

Thanks for the reply Msafiri

yes i submitted everything my pay stubs, my car loan, bank statements , credit card statements, T4's, explaining them reason for not staying in canada for those 3 years with paperwork i mean literally everything... and yes i did checked the paperwork from Consultant. dates were ok. the thing is officer called me back in september 2013 saying that he has got all the paperwork they need and he was going to give to the his head officer who was gonna decide for granting PR. also when they sent me this that letter with those extra paperworks ( my statements) they sent me this form where they were couting days from october 2008 according to that i have completed my 730 days easily. only thing thats bugging me is the RR stamp on my passport.