PR Card Expiry in Sep 2025 & RO confusion

[flysoofi]

Respected members, I am facing a situation related to my PR card expiry date and RO. I tried reading many threads to avoid taking up your valuable time but I could not find an answer specific to my situation so here I am:

1) I became a Canadian Permanent Resident on 10 Mar, 2019. Stayed for a week/did not wait for my PR card to be delivered with the plan to get it hand delivered by a friend who opted to bring the PR Card by hand to me once he travels from Canada to me in Dubai. Somehow my friend lost my PR card envelope while travelling and I never got to see my original/first time issued PR Card;
2) I went through the process of obtaining a PRTD in April 2020 and travelled to Canada in August 2020 to apply for a new PR card. I was very fortunate to receive my new/replacement PR card within 2 weeks despite of the fact COVID was at its peak. This PR card expires on 16 Sept, 2025 (this date is what has made me raise all the questions);
3) Since then I have been travelling to Canada on and off and have spent around 140 days in Canada. Primarily I was waiting to get some clarity on COVID longevity and its impact on the job market. I am employed in Dubai since 2018 with the privilege to work remotely however I have my mother (divorced) who is dependent on me living with me here in Dubai. I have applied for her Canada visit visa two weeks ago (awaiting decision) so that she is easily able to travel to me as she pleases when I move there permanently;
4) What my question is, when will I face the RO issue, what is the date where my RO will be calculated from, is it the date from when I became a PR (10, Mar 2019) or will it be the date of the application to renew my PR card in 2025. If I calculate from the date of becoming a PR, right now I still have around 2 months extra (2 years & 2 months in total approx.);
5) What I also need clarity on is the fact that if I plan on moving to Canada permanently by the end of this year, according to the expiry of my PR Card, I will still have 990 days with me so what RO window applies to me. What are any foreseeable issues I can face at the airport in Canada if I move by the end of this year and also will I be able to travel assuming I would have 990 days with me;
6) Lastly, why did IRCC issue a PR card which expires in Sep 2025 which makes it a validity of 6.5 years from the date I became a PR. What should I assume from this, was it a COVID related extension?

Once again thank you in advance for your time and valuable feedback. I'll really appreciate some senior insight as it would help me plan so many things out properly (leaving the current job, marriage, clarity on my mother's visit visa and so forth)


Much respect and regards,
Imaad Soofi
@armoured @dpenabill

 

[scylla]

Respected members, I am facing a situation related to my PR card expiry date and RO. I tried reading many threads to avoid taking up your valuable time but I could not find an answer specific to my situation so here I am:

1) I became a Canadian Permanent Resident on 10 Mar, 2018. Stayed for a week/did not wait for my PR card to be delivered with the plan to get it hand delivered by a friend who opted to bring the PR Card by hand to me once he travels from Canada to me in Dubai. Somehow my friend lost my PR card envelope while travelling and I never got to see my original/first time issued PR Card;
2) I went through the process of obtaining a PRTD in April 2020 and travelled to Canada in August 2020 to apply for a new PR card. I was very fortunate to receive my new/replacement PR card within 2 weeks despite of the fact COVID was at its peak. This PR card expires on 16 Sept, 2025 (this date is what has made me raise all the questions);
3) Since then I have been travelling to Canada on and off and have spent around 140 days in Canada. Primarily I was waiting to get some clarity on COVID longevity and its impact on the job market. I am employed in Dubai since 2018 with the privilege to work remotely however I have my mother (divorced) who is dependent on me living with me here in Dubai. I have applied for her Canada visit visa two weeks ago (awaiting decision) so that she is easily able to travel to me as she pleases when I move there permanently;
4) What my question is, when will I face the RO issue, what is the date where my RO will be calculated from, is it the date from when I became a PR (10, Mar 2018) or will it be the date of the application to renew my PR card in 2025. If I calculate from the date of becoming a PR, right now I still have around 2 months extra (2 years & 2 months in total approx.);
5) What I also need clarity on is the fact that if I plan on moving to Canada permanently by the end of this year, according to the expiry of my PR Card, I will still have 990 days with me so what RO window applies to me. What are any foreseeable issues I can face at the airport in Canada if I move by the end of this year and also will I be able to travel assuming I would have 990 days with me;
6) Lastly, why did IRCC issue a PR card which expires in Sep 2025 which makes it a validity of 7.5 years from the date I became a PR. What should I assume from this, was it a COVID related extension?

Once again thank you in advance for your time and valuable feedback. I'll really appreciate some senior insight as it would help me plan so many things out properly (leaving the current job, marriage, clarity on my mother's visit visa and so forth)


Much respect and regards,
Imaad Soofi
@armoured @dpenabill

RO is calculated from the date of landing. The date on your PR card is irrelevant. So if you want to avoid issues, you need to make sure you have at least 730 days in Canada out of the five years after your 2018 landing date.

 

[armoured]

I became a Canadian Permanent Resident on 10 Mar, 2018.
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Since then I have been travelling to Canada on and off and have spent around 140 days in Canada.

4) What my question is, when will I face the RO issue, what is the date where my RO will be calculated from, is it the date from when I became a PR (10, Mar 2018) or will it be the date of the application to renew my PR card in 2025. If I calculate from the date of becoming a PR, right now I still have around 2 months extra (2 years & 2 months in total approx.);

Calc date begins from the day you landed.

I do not understand your calculations - you ALREADY face the RO issue. For the first five years, you can 'add the remaining days' (i.e. from now to March), but notably while you are in Canada. Beginning March 2023, the five-year window is always from any day of examination (eg entering Canada) looking back.

[Side note: somewhat easier perhaps to calculate days out of Canada, and if days out of Canada >1095, you are not in compliance. This is just arithmetic restatement of the residency obligation's 730 days in Canada in any five year period.]

So simple math: in four years from March 2018 to March 2022, you have been in Canada 140 days. That's 1460 days minus the 140 days in Canada = 1320 days out of country = out of compliance. (Obviously the degree of non-compliance has increased since March this year).

There are multiple threads here about 'what happens if out of compliance.' If you return to settle permanently, they might report you, or might not, you can appeal and remain in Canada.

But I'm going to draw attention to a different aspect: if your lifestyle and family requirements etc mean travelling a lot, this may present an issue. You might not get reported, and you at least have a card that's valid until 2025, but there will always be a small risk of being reported. You might get the bnefit of the doubt for a long time, and then one day have a CBSA officer notice and give you a verbal warning ... and then after that you are flagged in the system.

As frequently discussed here: the more you stay in Canada and less you travel until you get in compliance, the better.

 

[flysoofi]

Calc date begins from the day you landed.

I do not understand your calculations - you ALREADY face the RO issue. For the first five years, you can 'add the remaining days' (i.e. from now to March), but notably while you are in Canada. Beginning March 2023, the five-year window is always from any day of examination (eg entering Canada) looking back.

[Side note: somewhat easier perhaps to calculate days out of Canada, and if days out of Canada >1095, you are not in compliance. This is just arithmetic restatement of the residency obligation's 730 days in Canada in any five year period.]

So simple math: in four years from March 2018 to March 2022, you have been in Canada 140 days. That's 1460 days minus the 140 days in Canada = 1320 days out of country = out of compliance. (Obviously the degree of non-compliance has increased since March this year).

There are multiple threads here about 'what happens if out of compliance.' If you return to settle permanently, they might report you, or might not, you can appeal and remain in Canada.

But I'm going to draw attention to a different aspect: if your lifestyle and family requirements etc mean travelling a lot, this may present an issue. You might not get reported, and you at least have a card that's valid until 2025, but there will always be a small risk of being reported. You might get the bnefit of the doubt for a long time, and then one day have a CBSA officer notice and give you a verbal warning ... and then after that you are flagged in the system.

As frequently discussed here: the more you stay in Canada and less you travel until you get in compliance, the better.

Thank you for the prompt reply, I just realized I made a mistake while mentioning the year I became a PR. My apologies, I became a PR on 10 Mar, 2019. I believe I still am safe with the RO for now. Having said that, I do understand that I need to ensure to remain in Canada for 730 within the 5 year window of when I became a PR.

 

[flysoofi]

RO is calculated from the date of landing. The date on your PR card is irrelevant. So if you want to avoid issues, you need to make sure you have at least 730 days in Canada out of the five years after your 2018 landing date.

Thank you for the quick response, I made a mistake. I landed in 2019 / became a PR in 2019.

 

[scylla]

Thank you for the quick response, I made a mistake. I landed in 2019 / became a PR in 2019.

So then that's your date for determining RO compliance.

 

[armoured]

Thank you for the prompt reply, I just realized I made a mistake while mentioning the year I became a PR. My apologies, I became a PR on 10 Mar, 2019. I believe I still am safe with the RO for now. Having said that, I do understand that I need to ensure to remain in Canada for 730 within the 5 year window of when I became a PR.

Check your math carefully. For the dates you provided, I get approximately 1000-1020 days abroad.

So unless you are living in Canada fulltime now, you will be out of compliance in a matter of months (adjusted only for additional days in Canada in the coming months).

 

[flysoofi]

Check your math carefully. For the dates you provided, I get approximately 1000-1020 days abroad.

So unless you are living in Canada fulltime now, you will be out of compliance in a matter of months (adjusted only for additional days in Canada in the coming months).

That's correct, according to my calculations I get approximately the same number of days. I will recheck my calculations for sure to avoid any RO issues.

Can you please simplify what you mean by 'adjusted only for additional days in Canada in the coming months'

Thanks a ton for your answers, really appreciate your time.