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PR Approved - Continuous Cohabitation for 2 Years the Day I become a PR

Jan 14, 2016
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Hi All,

I'm an American living in Cali and my wife is in my BC. I just got approved (woohoo!) and the COPR letter was sent to my wife and she read me this requirement:


Under the amended regulations, certain spouses and partners are subject to the condition that they cohabit in a conjugal relationship with their sponsor for a continuous period of two years after the day on which they became a permanent resident.


So my question to you guys is - I'm visiting her in Nov to get my PR processed at YVR airport. But I don't plan to fully move up until Feb 2017 since I need to wrap up my job, sell some of my belongings, pack, get ready for the move to BC, etc.


Would I be in violation of the rule above? I just thought as a PR, you have to live in Canada for 2 out of the first 5 years. I want to process my PR asap so I can get my SIN, open bank accounts, etc.


Below is where CIC explains continuous cohabitation:


5.35. What is cohabitation?
“Cohabitation” means “living together.” Two people who are cohabiting have combined their affairs
and set up their household together in one dwelling. To be considered common-law partners, they
must have cohabited for at least one year. This is the standard definition used across the federal
government. It means continuous cohabitation for one year, not intermittent cohabitation
adding up to one year. The continuous nature of the cohabitation is a universal understanding
based on case law.
OP 2 Processing Members of the Family Class
2006-11-14 27
While cohabitation means living together continuously, from time to time, one or the other partner
may have left the home for work or business travel, family obligations, and so on. The separation
must be temporary and short.
The following is a list of indicators about the nature of the household that constitute evidence
that a couple in a conjugal relationship is cohabiting:
 Joint bank accounts and/or credit cards;
 Joint ownership of residential property;
 Joint residential leases;
 Joint rental receipts;
 Joint utilities accounts (electricity, gas, telephone);
 Joint management of household expenditures;
 Evidence of joint purchases, especially for household items;
 Correspondence addressed to either or both parties at the same address;
 Important documents of both parties show the same address, e.g., identification documents,
driver’s licenses, insurance polices, etc.;
 Shared responsibility for household management, household chores, etc.;
 Evidence of children of one or both partners residing with the couple;
 Telephone calls.
These elements may be present in varying degrees and not all are necessary to prove
cohabitation. This list is not exhaustive; other evidence may be taken into consideration.
 
Jan 14, 2016
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To clarify, would I be in violation of the rule if I get my PR processed in Nov but don't actually start living with her in Feb 2017 that is?
 
Jan 14, 2016
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Btw, it only took me 87 days from the time CIC received our Outland application until I received email notification that I was approved. Not bad, eh?
 

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LeftMyHeartInBC said:
To clarify, would I be in violation of the rule if I get my PR processed in Nov but don't actually start living with her in Feb 2017 that is?
IMHO...yes, you would be in violation of Condition 51.

The $64k question is whether or not CIC would find out. Since they do have access to CBSA records, they would be able to know if you've left Canada (and for how long), but since nobody here really knows how (or even if) they follow-up with those with Condition 51, unless someone reports the violation...it's a bit of a guessing game.


My suggestion would be to NOT volunteer information when you land in November, that you are only [really] visiting your wife.

The other issue, is that you'll need to declare any personal items that you will be bringing with you into Canada, including your `Goods to Follow'. This may become an issue if/when the officer asks you when you plan to bring your remaining items into Canada.


A slippery slope for sure!


Good luck.
 
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Thanks so much Ponga for the advice :)

Yeah, I might as well wait until Feb 2017 to have my COPR letter and PR approval processed. Because even when I come in Nov, I have to fill out a customs form at YVR and it would look weird if it states on there I only plan to be in Canada for 2 days.
 

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Pull up a chair and have a read through this:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/bulletins/2012/ob480.asp


The sponsored spouse or partner must provide evidence of their compliance with the condition if an officer requests such evidence because they have reason to believe that the sponsored person is not complying or has not complied with the condition (for example, when a tip is received or a CIC or CBSA officer has information indicating non-compliance), or if requested as part of a random assessment of the overall level of compliance with the condition by the permanent residents who are or were subject to the condition.

If the CIC Call Centre is informed by the sponsored person that the sponsor and the sponsored spouse or partner are no longer cohabiting in a conjugal relationship, the Call Centre will refer the information within 24 hours to a local CIC office who may assess whether the sponsored spouse or partner is complying with the condition. Other calls with information or tips related to non-compliance of the condition should be referred to the CBSA Border Watch Line.
 

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LeftMyHeartInBC said:
Thanks so much Ponga for the advice :)

Yeah, I might as well wait until Feb 2017 to have my COPR letter and PR approval processed. Because even when I come in Nov, I have to fill out a customs form at YVR and it would look weird if it states on there I only plan to be in Canada for 2 days.
What is the expiry date on the COPR?

If you can defer the landing, that might be your best option.
 
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My COPR expires May 13, 2017 - which is one year from when I had my medical exam. I'm a little worried because if I get my PR processed in Feb 2017, that's only 3 months from the expiry. Is Feb 2017 too close to the expiry date of May 13, 2017 where CIC will require me to get another medical? Thanks again!
 

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LeftMyHeartInBC said:
My COPR expires May 13, 2017 - which is one year from when I had my medical exam. I'm a little worried because if I get my PR processed in Feb 2017, that's only 3 months from the expiry. Is Feb 2017 too close to the expiry date of May 13, 2017 where CIC will require me to get another medical? Thanks again!
No reason to worry at all. Once you land, the `process' is complete, with the exception of receiving your actual PR Card in the mail (mailed to your Canadian address).

Again...don't volunteer the information about having received the COPR when you arrive at YVR, but if questioned about it, you obviously must divulge it at that time. It's possible that CBSA will see this in their system, but...let them start that dialog.

Being approved so quickly certainly seems like a valid reason to defer the landing, but...be prepared for a possibly over zealous CBSA officer that will ask you why you applied for PR, if you weren't really ready to move to Canada yet.
 
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Oh man, that's good to know. Thanks for the heads up. I could say that on the CIC site it says that the average processing time is 14 months and hence was not ready for it to be approved so quickly. I hope that doesn't happened.

But at the airport, I usually go to those electronic kiosks where you insert your passport and customs form. Then you get a receipt that you hand to a customs officer who is standing at the end of a line. This officer is not at a desk and hence, does not have a computer to look at to see if I've been given PR or not.

But yes, definitely will be prepared.
 

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Oh man, that's good to know. Thanks for the heads up. I could say that on the CIC site it says that the average processing time is 14 months and hence was not ready for it to be approved so quickly. I hope that doesn't happened.

But at the airport, I usually go to those electronic kiosks where you insert your passport and customs form. Then you get a receipt that you hand to a customs officer who is standing at the end of a line. This officer is not at a desk and hence, does not have a computer to look at to see if I've been given PR or not.

But yes, definitely will be prepared.
But the information that is captured, transmitted and then received by the kiosk does access CBSA's system, before printing the receipt (with your photo), or...the dreaded `X' across your photo.

Either way...be prepared for them to know.
 

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LeftMyHeartInBC said:
Thanks Ponga. I don't closely pay attention.. but what does the 'X' across your photo mean from the kiosk printout?
It means that you have to see one of the primary inspection officers.

This happened to me the first time I returned from a flight from the states, after receiving my PR Card...but it was my own fault.

I scanned my foreign passport, even though I stated on the declaration card that I was a resident of Canada. I should have scanned my PR Card instead.


Lesson learned.