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Potential Visa Rejection under Paragraph 117(9)(d)

truesmile

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Rob_TO said:
. . . I've heard there is little chance of success to appeal this. Not sure about H&C grounds. As others mentioned... best bet may be to find a way to immigrate to Canada separate from family class.
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Rob_TO is right. I've read several appeals in the CANLII database. They're "relentless" in the application of this clause, even in the most sympathetic of cases. You are most definitely excluded from the Family Class.
 

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jemak4123 said:
Our daughter is in canada also. However, I am not sure if she was declared as a dependent.
How did your daughter get to Canada?

She must have been declared on the original application as a dependent so has PR, or they would have had to apply for a TRV for her to visit Canada.
 

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jemak4123 said:
Yesterday I received an email that saying that it is possible that they would deny my application because I was not examined at the time my sponsor was applying for their PR. Here is the important parts of the email:






This is with respect to your application for a permanent resident visa as a member of the family class, the class in which you applied.

A preliminary review of your file, based on the information and documentation you have submitted to date, raises concerns that you may not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.

Subsection 12(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states that a foreign national may be selected as a member of the family class on the basis of their relationship as the spouse, common-law partner, child, parent or other prescribed family member of a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.

Paragraph 117(9)(d) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations establishes the circumstances under which a person may be excluded from the Family Class, notwithstanding their personal relationship to their sponsor. Specifically, the Regulations state:

117(9)(d)

A foreign national shall not be considered a member of the family class by virtue
of their relationship to a sponsor if, subject to subsection (10), the sponsor previously made an application for permanent residence and became a permanent resident and, at the time of that application, the foreign national was a non-accompanying family member of the sponsor and was not examined.

Based on the information you have presented to this office, it would appear you fall within the exclusion established by this provision. Specifically, it would appear that your common-law relationship with your sponsor began in January 2010. You were not examined as a common-law partner when your sponsor applied for and subsequently obtained permanent residence in Canada on September 19, 2011

Before an officer proceeds to a final decision, we would like to offer you the opportunity to respond o this concern.



If your sponsor can demonstrate that you were declared as a family member and examined at the time of her application for permanent residence, it may be possible to proceed with your application. One way of demonstrating that you were declared as a family member would be to provide a copy of your sponsor's application for permanent residence. If your sponsor does not have personal records, she may wish to contact any representative who might have assisted in their application and retained a copy of their file. Please note that this office cannot provide any assistance with this process.

Any evidence or submissions which you or your sponsor may wish to submit to this office for consideration in response to the concerns identified above must be received at our office within 45 days of the date of this letter.

At the end of this period, your file will be examined by a visa officer. The officer will review your file and will make a decision on the application, taking into consideration all of the facts, circumstances and submissions before him/her. This will, of course, include your response (if any) to the concerns identified above and any additional documentation you have submitted. If you choose not to respond, the officer will make a decision on the basis of the information before him/her.

Please be aware that as a result of the identified exclusion issue, failure to provide any additional submissions will likely result in the refusal of your application for permanent residence.










We were dating since 2008 and she got pregnant late 2009 then we decided to live together start of the year 2010. Then they landed to canada on September 19 2011 then came back here in Manila for 1 month vacation on January 2013 and we also get married during their vacation here. Can anyone please help me with this. I don't know what to do this could tear are family apart. We already have a baby which is the reason why we lived together on 2010.
I there are u the sponsor or the applicant.... I heard from my friend that one of her friend was denied same reason as yours but then they appealed and they won but it takes time before her husband get here I think almost 2years.. Because she put on her application that when they went abroad then they are leaving together then the immigration said that y they didn't put as common law... If you don't mind how the officer knows that u are leaving together since 2010 did u write that one on your story on how is your relationship develop???
 

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You may be able to make a case with the very understanding of "common-law relationship" back home in the Philippines.
I'm from Africa and for a long time didn't know that simply staying with someone for a given period of time establishes one in a legal relationship with the person they live with (as partner). In fact back home, simply cohabiting does not give one legal rights. It is something that is in the process of being entered into law.

That understanding would have determined whether you are declared as a partner or not in 2010.

Talk to a lawyer.
 

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charliem said:
You may be able to make a case with the very understanding of "common-law relationship" back home in the Philippines.
I'm from Africa and for a long time didn't know that simply staying with someone for a given period of time establishes one in a legal relationship with the person they live with (as partner). In fact back home, simply cohabiting does not give one legal rights. It is something that is in the process of being entered into law.

That understanding would have determined whether you are declared as a partner or not in 2010.

Talk to a lawyer.
Unfortunately how your country of residence classifies your relationship is irrelevant. What matters is if you are common-law from the perspective of Canadian immigration law. In this case they were (unfortunately) clearly common law. As others have said, it's extremely rare that appeals succeed. To succeed, you would either have to prove that the common law spouse was in fact examined as part of the original application - or that they weren't common law prior to the sponsoring partner landing and becoming a PR.
 

YYZguy416

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If you proved that you lived together since 2010, then you might put your wife's PR status in jeopardy. Because if she immigrated as a dependent on her parents, that means she did not declare you as a spouse. But now, you are providing evidence to CIC that she was your spouse before she immigrated as a dependent on her parents, something that would've excluded her from immigrating to Canada.


scylla said:
Unfortunately how your country of residence classifies your relationship is irrelevant. What matters is if you are common-law from the perspective of Canadian immigration law. In this case they were (unfortunately) clearly common law. As others have said, it's extremely rare that appeals succeed. To succeed, you would either have to prove that the common law spouse was in fact examined as part of the original application - or that they weren't common law prior to the sponsoring partner landing and becoming a PR.
 

britishdoc

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Hi all,

I am in the same situation with my sponsorship application rejected under 117(9)(d) as my sponsor and I did not realise we had become common law when she landed to get her PR.

I would now like to apply independently for a CSQ and then for federal PR. We have seen a lawyer who says we have technically committed misrepresentation and who ends to charge us 5k+tx to take over our case.

Do you think it's worth going with a lawyer here or could I just apply for the CSQ on my own, including a letter explaining that I have a previous rejected application because of an innocent mistake?

Thanks!
 

esr

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britishdoc said:
Hi all,

I am in the same situation with my sponsorship application rejected under 117(9)(d) as my sponsor and I did not realise we had become common law when she landed to get her PR.

I would now like to apply independently for a CSQ and then for federal PR. We have seen a lawyer who says we have technically committed misrepresentation and who ends to charge us 5k+tx to take over our case.

Do you think it's worth going with a lawyer here or could I just apply for the CSQ on my own, including a letter explaining that I have a previous rejected application because of an innocent mistake?

Hi how do they know that you are common law before? Did you tell them when u make a how your relationship develop that you leave together before ur sponsor land in Canada?? If not then when don't you appeal instead of taking a lawyer..

Thanks!
 

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britishdoc said:
I would now like to apply independently for a CSQ and then for federal PR. We have seen a lawyer who says we have technically committed misrepresentation and who ends to charge us 5k+tx to take over our case.
Apply for a CSQ and then for federal PR . . . on what basis?? (Under what program?)
 

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Hello I was hoping someone could shed some light on my case.
We received a refusal letter on the 29th of September, due to the fact that the representative that we were using did not submit some documentation after we had signed it not once but twice. We did remove her as our representative before we got the refusal letter but had no idea that this document was outstanding. anyhow I have lots of proof to back our end except the receipt that she indeed did send the document. I and just sent an appeal to Vegreville today. and am wondering what will happen next and how long it will take to hear anything back. The reason for refusal was not due to legitimate relationship so I am wondering if we have any chances. I am furious with the Immigration Consultant and cant even begin to describe the nerves I feel. Any help form anyone please!!!
Thank you all so much in advance. this forum really is helpful. This is the first post I am posting and I dont even know if I am doing this correctly.
 

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nervousme said:
Hello I was hoping someone could shed some light on my case.
We received a refusal letter on the 29th of September, due to the fact that the representative that we were using did not submit some documentation after we had signed it not once but twice. We did remove her as our representative before we got the refusal letter but had no idea that this document was outstanding. anyhow I have lots of proof to back our end except the receipt that she indeed did send the document. I and just sent an appeal to Vegreville today. and am wondering what will happen next and how long it will take to hear anything back. The reason for refusal was not due to legitimate relationship so I am wondering if we have any chances. I am furious with the Immigration Consultant and cant even begin to describe the nerves I feel. Any help form anyone please!!!
Thank you all so much in advance. this forum really is helpful. This is the first post I am posting and I dont even know if I am doing this correctly.
1. Probably not a chance. You hired the consultant, whether s/he did their job is not a problem for CIC.
2. There is no appeal on inland spousal applications, and I doubt that Vegreville will change their mind post refusal.
3. You can apply for Leave to appeal to the Federal court, but unless there is was an error in law, not much hope their.
4. The applicant is probably going to have to leave Canada fairly shortly, and you will have to file an out of Canada sponsorship.
 

nervousme

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PMM said:
Hi


1. Probably not a chance. You hired the consultant, whether s/he did their job is not a problem for CIC.
2. There is no appeal on inland spousal applications, and I doubt that Vegreville will change their mind post refusal.
3. You can apply for Leave to appeal to the Federal court, but unless there is was an error in law, not much hope their.
4. The applicant is probably going to have to leave Canada fairly shortly, and you will have to file an out of Canada sponsorship.
Well he doesn't have to leave because he has an open work permit that is good until 2015.
Thanks for your help.
My issue was that if we re apply the time line will be cutting it close to the expiry of the work permit which is what makes me nervous.
I appreciate you taking the time to reply
 

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nervousme said:
Well he doesn't have to leave because he has an open work permit that is good until 2015.
Thanks for your help.
My issue was that if we re apply the time line will be cutting it close to the expiry of the work permit which is what makes me nervous.
I appreciate you taking the time to reply
Re-apply outland as necessary. Before his current work permit expires, either file to extend that permit (provided it is NOT an IEC) or file to change his status to visitor. Either way, that SHOULD extend his status in Canada and allow him to stay after his WP expires.

Good Luck!
 

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Hi there, i got married before i land in Canada and declared my spouse to CHC, New delhi. They did not respond to any of my Emails. i have filed for the sponsorship after i have landed in Canada. it is been more than 2 months to take sponsorship decision. i have ordered for CAIPS notes and it mentions the following notes:

i am reviewing the possible r117(9)D . the Sponsor has submitted copies of Emails dates XXX, XXX, XXX to attempt the advise to add spouse to CHC and only received automated Emails.is it possible to check the paper file or Email archive to see if they were actually received by you as this will have the direct impact on my decision.

Can anyone guide me what does it mean? will it be a refusal? if so what should be on that?