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Potential Visa Rejection under Paragraph 117(9)(d)

jemak4123

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Oct 19, 2013
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Yesterday I received an email that saying that it is possible that they would deny my application because I was not examined at the time my sponsor was applying for their PR. Here is the important parts of the email:






This is with respect to your application for a permanent resident visa as a member of the family class, the class in which you applied.

A preliminary review of your file, based on the information and documentation you have submitted to date, raises concerns that you may not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.

Subsection 12(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states that a foreign national may be selected as a member of the family class on the basis of their relationship as the spouse, common-law partner, child, parent or other prescribed family member of a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.

Paragraph 117(9)(d) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations establishes the circumstances under which a person may be excluded from the Family Class, notwithstanding their personal relationship to their sponsor. Specifically, the Regulations state:

117(9)(d)

A foreign national shall not be considered a member of the family class by virtue
of their relationship to a sponsor if, subject to subsection (10), the sponsor previously made an application for permanent residence and became a permanent resident and, at the time of that application, the foreign national was a non-accompanying family member of the sponsor and was not examined.

Based on the information you have presented to this office, it would appear you fall within the exclusion established by this provision. Specifically, it would appear that your common-law relationship with your sponsor began in January 2010. You were not examined as a common-law partner when your sponsor applied for and subsequently obtained permanent residence in Canada on September 19, 2011

Before an officer proceeds to a final decision, we would like to offer you the opportunity to respond o this concern.



If your sponsor can demonstrate that you were declared as a family member and examined at the time of her application for permanent residence, it may be possible to proceed with your application. One way of demonstrating that you were declared as a family member would be to provide a copy of your sponsor’s application for permanent residence. If your sponsor does not have personal records, she may wish to contact any representative who might have assisted in their application and retained a copy of their file. Please note that this office cannot provide any assistance with this process.

Any evidence or submissions which you or your sponsor may wish to submit to this office for consideration in response to the concerns identified above must be received at our office within 45 days of the date of this letter.

At the end of this period, your file will be examined by a visa officer. The officer will review your file and will make a decision on the application, taking into consideration all of the facts, circumstances and submissions before him/her. This will, of course, include your response (if any) to the concerns identified above and any additional documentation you have submitted. If you choose not to respond, the officer will make a decision on the basis of the information before him/her.

Please be aware that as a result of the identified exclusion issue, failure to provide any additional submissions will likely result in the refusal of your application for permanent residence.










We were dating since 2008 and she got pregnant late 2009 then we decided to live together start of the year 2010. Then they landed to canada on September 19 2011 then came back here in Manila for 1 month vacation on January 2013 and we also get married during their vacation here. Can anyone please help me with this. I don't know what to do this could tear are family apart. We already have a baby which is the reason why we lived together on 2010.
 

jemak4123

Newbie
Oct 19, 2013
7
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upon searching in the cic site for their definition of common law partner i saw this:

Common-law partnerRefers to a person who is living in a conjugal relationship with another person (opposite or same sex), and has done so continuously for a period of at least one year. A conjugal relationship exists when there is a significant degree of commitment between two people.
This can be shown with evidence that the couple share the same home, that they support each other financially and emotionally, that they have children together, or that they present themselves in public as a couple.

Common-law partners who are unable to live together or appear in public together because of legal restrictions in their home country or who have been separated for reasons beyond their control (for example, civil war or armed conflict) may still qualify and should be included on the application.




With this we are very much a common law partner however it was not declared on their application in the past. Clearly my sponsor and the person who arranged their papers does not know they should include me or declare me but I was not. I hope I can get some help here I really don't know what to do :(
 

SenoritaBella

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Jan 2, 2012
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Issue #1:
If you started living together at the start of 2010, then from start of 2010 to start of 2011 is 1 year of co-habitation. You are considered common-law partners in that case by CIC and she should have included you in her application as a "common-law spouse" when she immigrated, even if you were not accompanying her at the time. Because you were not included and therefore not examined(medicals, etc), you are no longer considered a member of he family class. Your wife can not sponsor you ever and same thing if she did not include the child.

You will need to find another way to immigrate on your own such as the federal skilled worker program, Quebec skilled worker program, provincial nominee program or if you obtain a work permit, then after at least one year of full-time(or part-time equivalent) skilled work experience, you can apply through the Canadian Experience Class.

Issue #2
It seems your wife immigrated as a dependent of her parents. According to the rules, she was no longer a dependent at the time she landed in Canada because she had a common-law spouse(you). If they knew of this rule, it may explain why they(she) did not declare you as her spouse because it would have meant she can not immigrate with her parents. She misrepresented her marital status to the officer and her PR status could be revoked.

You must have told them that you lived together and submitted proof, right? Now would be a good time to consult an experienced immigration lawyer(not consultant).

Also, ask your wife to get her parents to apply for the GCMS notes of their PR application. This way, they can determine for sure if they declared you as her common-law spouse or not. Or if they have a copy, to provide it. Either way, issue #2 remains a problem even for her.

They can apply for GCMS notes online under the privacy Act. Here's the link:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/atip/requests-personal.asp
 

jemak4123

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Oct 19, 2013
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I did submitted proof that we are living together since january 2010. Didn't know that it could hurt our application. I read the instructions can't believe I missed this. Do you think is certain that she will not be able to sponsor me ever? Is there any other way around it? or anything we could do so that my application could move forward?
 

SenoritaBella

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Jan 2, 2012
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Dakar
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-01-2014
AOR Received.
12-02-2014
File Transfer...
25-02-2014
Med's Request
02-11-2015
Med's Done....
18-09-2013
Passport Req..
02-11-2015
VISA ISSUED...
hopefully soon
LANDED..........
hopefully soon
Well, you did the right thing by providing evidence to show your relationship is genuine. Don't beat yourself up. The main thing is to determine whether in her parents application, you were declared as a common-law spouse. Or if she applied on her own, whether she declared you.

If you were declared, then submit a copy of the PR application and it should be fine. If you were not, she can never sponsor you. Ofcourse you can try to apply for permanent residence(on your own) under humanitarian and compassionate basis(I don't know if it will work), so a lawyer is best at this point.
 

jemak4123

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Oct 19, 2013
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I'm thinking if they did declare me as her common law partner in their application this would mean that she will not fall in the dependent children category and their application would be refused. Though I will still verify this with them. I don't know what else to do this rule doesn't make sense to me. We have a daughter and we are married we are not lying here and we can't be together. Doesn't make sense at all. Thanks though SenoritaBella.
 

jemak4123

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Oct 19, 2013
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oh wait upon looking more fore their definition of dependent children she is still dependent because she will fall in this section:

became a spouse or a common-law partner before age 22 and has
been enrolled as a full-time student on an ongoing basis and
depended largely on the financial support of a parent since they became a spouse or common-law partner,

so this means that if i were declared as c-l partner on their application there will be no problem right?
 

scylla

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jemak4123 said:
PLEASE HELP
You're going to be denied. I would start looking at ways you can immigrate independently since your wife can never sponsor you.

You would have had to have been included as her common law partner when she immigrated. To be included, you would have had to have gone through the medical and provided all of your police certificates. Based on everything you've said, you weren't included in this initial application which means your wife can never sponsor you.
 
M

mikeymyke

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Take up a skilled trade, get 2 years experience, apply through Alberta Provincial Nominee Program. We desperately need skilled tradesmen here. If you don't want to do that, then you should go live in the Philippines with your sponsor and child to be together.
 

charliem

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Jul 26, 2013
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18-10-2013
File Transfer...
March 2014
Med's Request
March 2, 2015. AIP received same day
Med's Done....
March 3, 2015.
Interview........
"Decision made": 1 April 2015
The issue of contention is whether you were declared as a common law partner at the time of your wife's PR application (or that she told CIC when her circumstances changed).

If she did not, you may still be able to apply for PR on humanitarian grounds or in a provincial nomination category (if you work in the skilled trades). There's a solution to every problem.
 

Pippin

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Mar 22, 2010
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When you apply for GCMS request the Physical File if you do not have a copy of the application her parents sent. This will give you a scan of the actual documents. This file takes two months compared to one month for GCMS.
 

Alurra71

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Did your wife bring your daughter with her to Canada as a dependent of hers? If she did, at some point she had to have the child examined and have written consent from you, the father that it was OK for her to bring that child to Canada. If that is the case, I think you will find there will be no way for your wife to sponsor you to come to Canada. If your wife did not declare your daughter on her immigration forms before she came to Canada, then both you and your daughter can not be sponsored by your wife. You will both need to find another manner to immigrate to Canada.
 

Rob_TO

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Nov 7, 2012
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30-10-2012
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16-11-2012
Pippin said:
When you apply for GCMS request the Physical File if you do not have a copy of the application her parents sent. This will give you a scan of the actual documents. This file takes two months compared to one month for GCMS.
As they only have 45 days to respond, getting the file which takes 2 months will probably not help.

Regardless, it's fairly obvious he was not included in the original application. He would have had to have a full medical/submit police checks as scylla mentioned, which is something he would have remembered. I've heard there is little chance of success to appeal this. Not sure about H&C grounds. As others mentioned... best bet may be to find a way to immigrate to Canada separate from family class.

My question is, where is their baby living today and was the child declared as a dependent in the original application? If they landed in Sept 2011 the child would have been born by then so should have been added to the application.