Yes, the schedule A and fingerprint in July. I thought since I received the Medical Request in late October, everything should be fine. Who knows why the security takes this long, mine in progress since Jan 13, I called cic in Feb, they told me call back if no PPR in one or two month.AB-AM said:
PNP- PR ( CIC applicants SEPTEMBER and OCTOBER 2015)
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eng.suzan
Star Member
- Jul 21, 2014
- 4
- 124
- Category........
- Visa Office......
- Rome-Italy visa office
- NOC Code......
- 2132
- Job Offer........
- Pre-Assessed..
- App. Filed.......
- 17/3/2014
- Doc's Request.
- 7/11/2014
- Nomination.....
- 1/12/2014
- AOR Received.
- 24/7/2015
- IELTS Request
- WITH MY APPLICATION
- File Transfer...
- NA
- Med's Request
- OCTOBER -2015
- Med's Done....
- OCTOBER -2015 and remedical again after cic request on Nov-2016
- Interview........
- NO
- Passport Req..
- waiting
- VISA ISSUED...
- waiting
- LANDED..........
- waiting
am Also may 2015 applicants outland i am living in palestine .
the offical Processing time of our file(pnp) is 16 months from the day the CIC receives our papers (25-5-2015), unfortunately, our file’s processing time exceeded the 22 months.
on the 02 December 2014. I have sent all needed and requested documents, unfortunately, no decision was made till now by the CIC.
On the other hand, we have made the medical tests twice, as they have requested in first time and passed one year with no action, again we have made it a second time and showed passed on online status , I also sent my police check certificate. I have contacted our Visa Office is in Rome many times, and all what I have is "wait, no further action is required from you for this phase".
i don't know why this is very long time to have approved on security check and when should i except to hear from cic and request passport for my family
the offical Processing time of our file(pnp) is 16 months from the day the CIC receives our papers (25-5-2015), unfortunately, our file’s processing time exceeded the 22 months.
on the 02 December 2014. I have sent all needed and requested documents, unfortunately, no decision was made till now by the CIC.
On the other hand, we have made the medical tests twice, as they have requested in first time and passed one year with no action, again we have made it a second time and showed passed on online status , I also sent my police check certificate. I have contacted our Visa Office is in Rome many times, and all what I have is "wait, no further action is required from you for this phase".
i don't know why this is very long time to have approved on security check and when should i except to hear from cic and request passport for my family
I found a post of many years ago, I wish we won't need go down that road but good to read:
I want to share my experience in the hope that it helps others in the same situation.
I applied for federal skilled worker class a few years ago and since I was living in Canada then (on a student visa), I sent my application to Buffalo. My assessment was done within the usual timelines of that time and I received my medical form after a year and a few months. But after I did medical, I didn't hear back from CIC (immigration) anymore. After a few months, I sent them an email and the response was "We have requested background information from other government offices(s). We cannot provide a date when the processing of your application will be complete."
This typically means that your file is sent to CSIS (Canadian security agency) for an in-depth security check. In many cases of in-depth security checks, after several months, the applicant is called in for a (security) interview and if everything goes well, they get their immigration in 3-4 months after the interview. But in my case, after waiting for more than a year and sending several emails, nothing was happening. They neither called me for an interview nor asked me any questions.
I tried to find other ways:
1- I asked my MP (member of parliament) for assistance. They contacted CIC on my behalf, but CIC gave them the same answer. Apparently, MPs can help you when the problem lies within CIC, but if it is a security check, they cannot do anything.
2- I got the CAIPS notes for my file several times. They usually block out everything related to security checks from the CAIPS notes they send you, but I found some evidence that there was a misunderstanding between CSIS and CIC regarding my file (each one was waiting for the other). That could contribute to 2 years of the delay, but even after the misunderstanding was resolved, nothing was happening.
3- I sent a letter to the director of CSIS asking if they are working on my file. By law, they have to answer (I guess within a month). I received a letter in response that confirmed they were working on my case, but they said they couldn’t give me a timeline for completion. After a few months, I sent them another letter and explained that I'd lose some important job opportunities if I didn't get my immigration soon and told them that I was ready to attend any interviews, etc and explained that I had never been involved in any criminal, military or political matter. The response was the same as the first response.
4- I talked with a few immigration consultants and an immigration lawyer and they all told me that there was nothing that I could do expect for waiting.
More than 3 years had passed after I did my medicals and still no answer from CIC (except for "we are waiting for background checks"). One day when I was googling to see if someone had the same problem, I found a forum post with a reference to the possibility of taking the case to federal court based on a concept called "writ of mandamus". But the forum post was written by someone who hadn’t done this himself, so there were not many details about that.
So I checked the website of the Federal Court of Canada and used their "decisions search" feature to find cases (from the menus, choose “decisions”, and then “search”) on mandamus cases against the Ministry of Citizenship and Immigration Canada. Looking at tens of cases, I figured that I could in fact use mandamus.
Now, if you are a person with a history of involvement in criminal or terrorist acts, then you deserve having a hard time getting a security clearance.
But if you are like me and you know you have done nothing wrong, then you can assume your background check was delayed because of reasons like
- misunderstanding
-your file being lost or assigned to a lazy clerk
-Being born in a country that is considered suspicious
-Name similarity
In that case, keep reading this post.
I literally looked at 20-30 cases. Most of them did have some issues in their past (like membership in terrorist organizations), but a few were just ordinary people. All in all, based on previous rulings of the court, my conclusion was that you can use mandamus if the delay in your immigration file has been "unreasonable". To be regarded as unreasonable, a delay must meet the following three conditions:
(1) the delay in question was longer than the nature of the process required, prima facie;
(2) the applicant and his or her legal counsel were not responsible for the delay;
(3) the authority responsible for the delay did not provide satisfactory justification.
It seems that a period of more than four or five years has been accepted as "the nature of the process required" in previous rulings. There are even previous cases involving permanent residence applications where delays between three and five years were found to be prima facie longer than required (see cases of Platonov, supra, Kalachnikov, supra and Hanano, supra).
You can go to http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/en/index.html and use the keywords "mandamus" and "immigration" and "CSIS" to find similar cases.
Note that in many cases, immigration had claimed that the delay is not their fault because they did their part in a timely manner and it was CSIS that caused the delay. But interestingly, many judges didn't accept that excuse and ruled that the applicant is a client of CIC and not CSIS and it's the duty of CIC to give them a response one way or another and dealing with CSIS is CIC's issue, not that of the client.
So I used the case summaries in the Federal Court website and compiled a list of all lawyers who had a successful mandamus case (note that you need an immigration LAWYER for this and not an immigration consultant). I then tried to find their contact address by googling their name and contacted each of them asking for quotes.
Be careful here! Some lawyers may not know enough about mandamus and they may mislead you by saying that even if your application has been in process for more than 4 years, you cannot use mandamus. Ignore those guys.
Also be careful about the costs. I got quotes ranging from $2000 to $8000. I finally went with a lawyer that had several successful cases and charged me $2000 for a mandamus application. Our agreement was that if the matter was not solved before the court date, I would pay an additional $1000 to him to appear in the court.
So my lawyer filed a claim on my behalf based on the fact that I had been waiting for my immigration for a bit more than 4 years and the fact that I had never been involved in any "bad stuff". My lawyer told me that in most of the cases, the moment you sue immigration, the wheels start to move and CIC tries to finalize your file before they have to appear in court. So most likely, you'll get your immigration before the court date. And that was exactly what happened to me. When you file for mandamus, it may take around 3 months for the court to accept to take your case and set a court date and the court date may be within 3-4 months of that time (so your court date may be 6-7 months after you file your claim).
In my case, right after I filed my claim, immigration contacted me and asked for my updated address. Then, they started to ask for some documents, etc (including renewing my medicals). After the court date was set, they seemed to double the speed! Long story short, I got my immigration visa shortly after the court date was set (i.e., a few months before the court date).
So I strongly recommend this approach to whoever has been waiting for more than 4 years and knows in their heart that they don't have any skeleton in the closet.
Here is some additional info:
1- An immediate concern would be that if you sue immigration, they’d retaliate and reject your immigration application or get you in trouble somehow. Fortunately, it doesn’t work that way in Canada. They don’t take this personally and they can’t reject you without a good reason (at least if you have applied before 2008 when the Immigration Act changed).
2- In what I suggested above, the legal case is between you and CIC. That is, CSIS is not directly a part of the case. Another approach is to make a complaint against CSIS. Once you write a letter to the director of CSIS, if you feel that their answer is not compelling and they are keeping your file without any good reasons, you can submit a complaint to Security Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC) [see the details on the CSIS website]. I didn’t try this and honestly I was skeptical about it, but later I heard from a friend of my friend that he went with this option and it worked for him. The advantage is that this is free of charge and you don’t need a lawyer (because SIRC is not a court). Note that you may pursue both options (suing immigration and complaining to SIRC) at the same time.
I went through a lot of frustration while I saw that everyone who had applied years after me got their immigration, but my file was stuck and CIC wouldn’t help me a bit. I found this information one bit at a time during my years of struggle and I hope that sharing it would help people with the same situation as me.
Edited by albrown - 15 Feb 2010 at 10:52pm
I want to share my experience in the hope that it helps others in the same situation.
I applied for federal skilled worker class a few years ago and since I was living in Canada then (on a student visa), I sent my application to Buffalo. My assessment was done within the usual timelines of that time and I received my medical form after a year and a few months. But after I did medical, I didn't hear back from CIC (immigration) anymore. After a few months, I sent them an email and the response was "We have requested background information from other government offices(s). We cannot provide a date when the processing of your application will be complete."
This typically means that your file is sent to CSIS (Canadian security agency) for an in-depth security check. In many cases of in-depth security checks, after several months, the applicant is called in for a (security) interview and if everything goes well, they get their immigration in 3-4 months after the interview. But in my case, after waiting for more than a year and sending several emails, nothing was happening. They neither called me for an interview nor asked me any questions.
I tried to find other ways:
1- I asked my MP (member of parliament) for assistance. They contacted CIC on my behalf, but CIC gave them the same answer. Apparently, MPs can help you when the problem lies within CIC, but if it is a security check, they cannot do anything.
2- I got the CAIPS notes for my file several times. They usually block out everything related to security checks from the CAIPS notes they send you, but I found some evidence that there was a misunderstanding between CSIS and CIC regarding my file (each one was waiting for the other). That could contribute to 2 years of the delay, but even after the misunderstanding was resolved, nothing was happening.
3- I sent a letter to the director of CSIS asking if they are working on my file. By law, they have to answer (I guess within a month). I received a letter in response that confirmed they were working on my case, but they said they couldn’t give me a timeline for completion. After a few months, I sent them another letter and explained that I'd lose some important job opportunities if I didn't get my immigration soon and told them that I was ready to attend any interviews, etc and explained that I had never been involved in any criminal, military or political matter. The response was the same as the first response.
4- I talked with a few immigration consultants and an immigration lawyer and they all told me that there was nothing that I could do expect for waiting.
More than 3 years had passed after I did my medicals and still no answer from CIC (except for "we are waiting for background checks"). One day when I was googling to see if someone had the same problem, I found a forum post with a reference to the possibility of taking the case to federal court based on a concept called "writ of mandamus". But the forum post was written by someone who hadn’t done this himself, so there were not many details about that.
So I checked the website of the Federal Court of Canada and used their "decisions search" feature to find cases (from the menus, choose “decisions”, and then “search”) on mandamus cases against the Ministry of Citizenship and Immigration Canada. Looking at tens of cases, I figured that I could in fact use mandamus.
Now, if you are a person with a history of involvement in criminal or terrorist acts, then you deserve having a hard time getting a security clearance.
But if you are like me and you know you have done nothing wrong, then you can assume your background check was delayed because of reasons like
- misunderstanding
-your file being lost or assigned to a lazy clerk
-Being born in a country that is considered suspicious
-Name similarity
In that case, keep reading this post.
I literally looked at 20-30 cases. Most of them did have some issues in their past (like membership in terrorist organizations), but a few were just ordinary people. All in all, based on previous rulings of the court, my conclusion was that you can use mandamus if the delay in your immigration file has been "unreasonable". To be regarded as unreasonable, a delay must meet the following three conditions:
(1) the delay in question was longer than the nature of the process required, prima facie;
(2) the applicant and his or her legal counsel were not responsible for the delay;
(3) the authority responsible for the delay did not provide satisfactory justification.
It seems that a period of more than four or five years has been accepted as "the nature of the process required" in previous rulings. There are even previous cases involving permanent residence applications where delays between three and five years were found to be prima facie longer than required (see cases of Platonov, supra, Kalachnikov, supra and Hanano, supra).
You can go to http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/en/index.html and use the keywords "mandamus" and "immigration" and "CSIS" to find similar cases.
Note that in many cases, immigration had claimed that the delay is not their fault because they did their part in a timely manner and it was CSIS that caused the delay. But interestingly, many judges didn't accept that excuse and ruled that the applicant is a client of CIC and not CSIS and it's the duty of CIC to give them a response one way or another and dealing with CSIS is CIC's issue, not that of the client.
So I used the case summaries in the Federal Court website and compiled a list of all lawyers who had a successful mandamus case (note that you need an immigration LAWYER for this and not an immigration consultant). I then tried to find their contact address by googling their name and contacted each of them asking for quotes.
Be careful here! Some lawyers may not know enough about mandamus and they may mislead you by saying that even if your application has been in process for more than 4 years, you cannot use mandamus. Ignore those guys.
Also be careful about the costs. I got quotes ranging from $2000 to $8000. I finally went with a lawyer that had several successful cases and charged me $2000 for a mandamus application. Our agreement was that if the matter was not solved before the court date, I would pay an additional $1000 to him to appear in the court.
So my lawyer filed a claim on my behalf based on the fact that I had been waiting for my immigration for a bit more than 4 years and the fact that I had never been involved in any "bad stuff". My lawyer told me that in most of the cases, the moment you sue immigration, the wheels start to move and CIC tries to finalize your file before they have to appear in court. So most likely, you'll get your immigration before the court date. And that was exactly what happened to me. When you file for mandamus, it may take around 3 months for the court to accept to take your case and set a court date and the court date may be within 3-4 months of that time (so your court date may be 6-7 months after you file your claim).
In my case, right after I filed my claim, immigration contacted me and asked for my updated address. Then, they started to ask for some documents, etc (including renewing my medicals). After the court date was set, they seemed to double the speed! Long story short, I got my immigration visa shortly after the court date was set (i.e., a few months before the court date).
So I strongly recommend this approach to whoever has been waiting for more than 4 years and knows in their heart that they don't have any skeleton in the closet.
Here is some additional info:
1- An immediate concern would be that if you sue immigration, they’d retaliate and reject your immigration application or get you in trouble somehow. Fortunately, it doesn’t work that way in Canada. They don’t take this personally and they can’t reject you without a good reason (at least if you have applied before 2008 when the Immigration Act changed).
2- In what I suggested above, the legal case is between you and CIC. That is, CSIS is not directly a part of the case. Another approach is to make a complaint against CSIS. Once you write a letter to the director of CSIS, if you feel that their answer is not compelling and they are keeping your file without any good reasons, you can submit a complaint to Security Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC) [see the details on the CSIS website]. I didn’t try this and honestly I was skeptical about it, but later I heard from a friend of my friend that he went with this option and it worked for him. The advantage is that this is free of charge and you don’t need a lawyer (because SIRC is not a court). Note that you may pursue both options (suing immigration and complaining to SIRC) at the same time.
I went through a lot of frustration while I saw that everyone who had applied years after me got their immigration, but my file was stuck and CIC wouldn’t help me a bit. I found this information one bit at a time during my years of struggle and I hope that sharing it would help people with the same situation as me.
Edited by albrown - 15 Feb 2010 at 10:52pm
Sept 30 2015 PNP Outland Applicant
Landed in the border Jan 14 2017
Received my PR Card last March 3rd 2017 - exactly 46 days since landing
Good luck to everyone else!
Landed in the border Jan 14 2017
Received my PR Card last March 3rd 2017 - exactly 46 days since landing
Good luck to everyone else!
Hi everyone,
I just received my Confirmation of Permanent Residency today (YAY). I was wondering if any of you could assist me with calling the IRCC Call Center 1-888-242-2100. I called them today but was transferred to "Immigration" 3 times after selecting the options for Permanent Residents. I stayed on hold for over half an hour each time but did not get to speak to anyone.
I was wondering if one of you could let me know which options you selected when you called them to schedule your Immigration Interview.
Thank you so much!
I just received my Confirmation of Permanent Residency today (YAY). I was wondering if any of you could assist me with calling the IRCC Call Center 1-888-242-2100. I called them today but was transferred to "Immigration" 3 times after selecting the options for Permanent Residents. I stayed on hold for over half an hour each time but did not get to speak to anyone.
I was wondering if one of you could let me know which options you selected when you called them to schedule your Immigration Interview.
Thank you so much!
imgrnt16
Star Member
- Nov 23, 2015
- 0
- Visa Office......
- Sydney
- Job Offer........
- Pre-Assessed..
- App. Filed.......
- June11,2015
- Doc's Request.
- Apr18, July27, Aug2, Aug4
- AOR Received.
- Aug24,2015
- Med's Request
- Mar05,2016
- Med's Done....
- Mar16,2016
- Passport Req..
- Feb10,2017
- VISA ISSUED...
- Feb23,2017
- LANDED..........
- Mar08,2017
1888 242 2100, I chose the option change of address 1-2-0. It will connect you with address change officer, but they help book appointment for you with the Local Immigration office for landing. The waiting time talk to the officer for me was 40 min.zendang said:
Is there anyone who is waiting for DM still? I added my wife on my current PR application on Jan 2017.
My background check is still "in the process".
My background check is still "in the process".
luckychamp
Hero Member
- Dec 29, 2015
- 7
- Category........
- Visa Office......
- Sydney, NS
- NOC Code......
- Master Stream Program
- Job Offer........
- Pre-Assessed..
- App. Filed.......
- 14-09-2015
- Doc's Request.
- Submitted along with application
- Nomination.....
- 14-08-2015
- AOR Received.
- 18-12-2015
- IELTS Request
- N/A
- File Transfer...
- N/A
- Med's Request
- 30-06-2016
- Med's Done....
- 08-07-2016
- Interview........
- N/A
- Passport Req..
- 23-12-2016
- VISA ISSUED...
- 21-01-2107
- LANDED..........
- 27-01-2017
luckychamp
Hero Member
- Dec 29, 2015
- 7
- Category........
- Visa Office......
- Sydney, NS
- NOC Code......
- Master Stream Program
- Job Offer........
- Pre-Assessed..
- App. Filed.......
- 14-09-2015
- Doc's Request.
- Submitted along with application
- Nomination.....
- 14-08-2015
- AOR Received.
- 18-12-2015
- IELTS Request
- N/A
- File Transfer...
- N/A
- Med's Request
- 30-06-2016
- Med's Done....
- 08-07-2016
- Interview........
- N/A
- Passport Req..
- 23-12-2016
- VISA ISSUED...
- 21-01-2107
- LANDED..........
- 27-01-2017
[size=10pt][size=10pt]YAHOOOO ![/size][/size]
[size=10pt]Sep 14 inland applicant with spouse
Landed on Jan 27
Got both the PR Cards in mail today March 8th, (Total 41 days)
Good Luck to everyone !![/size]
[size=10pt]Sep 14 inland applicant with spouse
Landed on Jan 27
Got both the PR Cards in mail today March 8th, (Total 41 days)
Good Luck to everyone !![/size]
Thank you so much, you are a life saver! I was on the phone waiting for 30 minutes and received the email about the interview that evening. Just an FYI for everyone who's in Calgary, doesn't look like the wait for Calgary interview is too long since they scheduled me for an interview next weekimgrnt16 said:
Good luck everyone!
mf4361
Champion Member
- Apr 17, 2014
- 130
- Category........
- Job Offer........
- Pre-Assessed..
- App. Filed.......
- 18 Nov 2015
- Nomination.....
- 12 Oct 2015
- AOR Received.
- 25 Feb 2016
- IELTS Request
- Sent
- Med's Request
- 28 Oct 2016
- Med's Done....
- 14 Nov 2016
- Passport Req..
- 27 Feb 2017
- VISA ISSUED...
- 15 Mar 2017
- LANDED..........
- 16 Mar 2017
You have to copy the tracking code on return envelope when you buy it. I forgot mine and I'm just gonna wait for the mailmanalexatam said:
Hi I have a question for all who landed at border do you really have to show a proof of valid status?
I'm planning to do my landing to Coutts next week, but my open work permit expired already.. I got my copr a day before my permit expires.. I tried to apply online for extension but it didn't go through due to technical problem.. so now I'm under restoration period for my status and i didn't apply for anything at all.. ( thinking that my copr is my legal status in Canada ) though I'm wondering if that's gonna be a problem having no valid status when you go the border.. but I read one from other forum that they got no any problem when they did their landing with expired work permit... And i think they will ask for all your work permit for them to keep it..
anyway if you can share your landing/flagpole experience and any advice will greatly appreciated!
I'm planning to do my landing to Coutts next week, but my open work permit expired already.. I got my copr a day before my permit expires.. I tried to apply online for extension but it didn't go through due to technical problem.. so now I'm under restoration period for my status and i didn't apply for anything at all.. ( thinking that my copr is my legal status in Canada ) though I'm wondering if that's gonna be a problem having no valid status when you go the border.. but I read one from other forum that they got no any problem when they did their landing with expired work permit... And i think they will ask for all your work permit for them to keep it..
anyway if you can share your landing/flagpole experience and any advice will greatly appreciated!
imgrnt16
Star Member
- Nov 23, 2015
- 0
- Visa Office......
- Sydney
- Job Offer........
- Pre-Assessed..
- App. Filed.......
- June11,2015
- Doc's Request.
- Apr18, July27, Aug2, Aug4
- AOR Received.
- Aug24,2015
- Med's Request
- Mar05,2016
- Med's Done....
- Mar16,2016
- Passport Req..
- Feb10,2017
- VISA ISSUED...
- Feb23,2017
- LANDED..........
- Mar08,2017
I sent my passport on Feb11 and received it back on Feb 23. If you do not have tracking number, you keep checking your mycic. On the day they sent my passport back on Feb22 (my tracking activated on that day), on the same day mycic changed to "This application has been approved". So, when you see change on mycic, it means your passport was sent back to youalexatam said:
Guys how long it took you to get pr card?
I'll be on new address on 1st May, so I have 7 weeks to get it as immigration has my current address.
Landed today on Coutts. I told officer to send pr card on current address, is that ok?
I'll be on new address on 1st May, so I have 7 weeks to get it as immigration has my current address.
Landed today on Coutts. I told officer to send pr card on current address, is that ok?