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Please help me for Q 6, 9a, 9c, 11, 13, 14

Kamran2015

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You are right, I missed the crown servant part
However I feel they still would wanna know time/days spent outside Canada - especially when they are not asking for all pages of passport, and CBSA cannot identify exits to other countries except USA ( since they have memorandum ) unless they detail check Airline records - ideal in complicated immigration matters

**As matter if interest, Passport Stamps are also not reliable - I entered Montreal via road during a short 7 day trip in the US - they stamped the wrong year, 2001 instead of 2000 - so it made me looks as if I was out of Canada for 1 year. It stressed me out as this was my half-time period as a student but I was prepared to show docs if questioned. During my ceremony, I voluntarily told them about this mistake and they said thats OK, stamps are not a 100% proof and not reliable **
They will know if you lived outside Canada by the online physical calculator. In terms of passport copies, I dont know :) But by just answering a question yes or no, when the online calculator has all the exact days, I dont see how much value this yes or no question brings to the table.
 

Kamran2015

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9c : so you mean if any person go for vacation/holiday they don’t have to fill up cit0177
No. that form is only for those who have been crown servants, in military or family members of those who were outside of canada and would like to claim residency days for outside canada.
 
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GBH

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Hey Guys quick question..
for self employment details do I need to send experience reference letter given by company I was contracting for? or I simply put in the address and details of the company and put in self-employed in the Question 11 Name of employer section
 

ChippyBoy

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Actually the information in the drop down help does NOT mention that this question should be answered yes only by those who are/were either crown servants, in the military or a family member of such people. Rather it instructs that the crown service form is only for such individuals.

9.c. is obviously one of the several poorly worded items in the new form.

I doubt checking "no" will be a problem even though the applicant lived outside Canada during the eligibility period, so long as the applicant otherwise completely and accurately provides that information in the presence calculator and address history. Better, perhaps, to explain (briefly stating that the crown service form is Not Applicable) on a supplemental page included with the application. But as it is currently phrased in the form, anyone who has lived outside Canada during the five years prior to applying is instructed to respond "yes" to item 9.c.

As I have observed elsewhere, I believe that IRCC will approach many of these questions and items with a lot of flexibility, that as long as the applicant has provided the key information in a way that reasonably responds to what is requested and is otherwise complete and not misleading, IRCC will almost certainly be liberal in how it approaches the many vague, ambiguous, or otherwise problematic items in the form. Of course there are many parts of the form for which there are definite ways in which the applicant should respond, and errors in respect to these will be problematic in proportion to the nature and scope of the respective error. But for items like 9.c., item 6, among others, IRCC will most likely work with various approaches to how those are answered, again so long as otherwise the applicant has reasonably responded and provided the key information.
Dear dpenabill. Please may I seek your excellent opinion regarding a query sentence that I recall having seen somewhere amongst all the bumph that I'll be filling-in shortly (and which is bugging me: "When did you first come to Canada?"

Does this mean that CIC/IRCC wants to know/confirm the date of the very first time that I ever set foot inside Canada (as a visa-waivered tourist some 18 years ago)?

Or do they mean for me to state the date on which I first took up some kind of visaed status here (temporary work permit)?

With thanks.
 
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dpenabill

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. . . regarding a query sentence that I recall having seen somewhere amingst all the bumph that I'll be filling-in shortly (and which is bugging me: "When did you first come to Canada?"

Does this mean that CIC/IRCC wants to know/confirm the date of the very first time that I ever set foot inside Canada (as a visa-waivered tourist some 18 years ago)?

Or do they mean fot me to state the date on which I first took up some kind of visaed status here (temporary work permit)?

With thanks.
I am not familiar with this in the current form or presence calculator (and no time to go in search of it today).

This question, "When did you first come to Canada?" or something very similar, was part of the old 3/4 rule (pre-June 2015) application form and residency calculator. Before the new form actually became available, there was some anticipation that the new form might include some question like this, given that the new rules also provide for pre-PR credit.

My impression is that this was not included in the new forms given the way IRCC has structured the presence calculation around the "eligibility period" which covers five full years regardless of when the applicant came to Canada. In contrast, the old 3/4 approach structured the residency calculation based on presence in Canada since becoming a PR or when the applicant came to Canada to live, whichever was earlier, up to a maximum of four years.

In any event, if there is a similar question in the current process, it is hard to say much about it without seeing it in context.
 
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razerblade

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Hey Guys quick question..
for self employment details do I need to send experience reference letter given by company I was contracting for? or I simply put in the address and details of the company and put in self-employed in the Question 11 Name of employer section
Not at this time. They will request for more information if/when needed later. Only send what's asked in the checklist.

And yes, mention details of your self employment on the form.
 
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Whocares

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I would say just write what you think. Most of the replies in here are inaccurate as some of the questions and replies are still controversial. Unless we get some applications returned back or accepted, we will never know
 

Need Canadian Pr

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9C: During your eligibility period did you live outside of Canada ( I tick no )
But I went for holiday for 7 weeks.

10A: Where have you lived during your eligibility period. List address inside and outside Canada.

My question: Should I enter my holiday period address in the box Q10 ( I went to my back home for family visit and spend 7 weeks )

Many thanks all of them in this forum who helps each other.
 

Rigly68

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9C: During your eligibility period did you live outside of Canada ( I tick no )
But I went for holiday for 7 weeks.

10A: Where have you lived during your eligibility period. List address inside and outside Canada.

My question: Should I enter my holiday period address in the box Q10 ( I went to my back home for family visit and spend 7 weeks )

Many thanks all of them in this forum who helps each other.
If during these 7 weeks you maintained your residence here in Canada then you can do two things. Enter both addresses under Q10 and explain why you had two addresses. Or just enter your Canadian address under Q10 and in the residence calculator add the address during your vacation.
 

jazibkg

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I was very excited to apply for citizenship on Oct 11 but now due to the lack of clarity on these questions have put off applying...:(

I don't have the same faith in IRCC that some of you possess and quite skeptical about a screwup.

In the physical residence calculator, should we be writing in the time before we became residents of Canada, as it is part of the eligibility period? My first ever time in Canada was landing as a PR in Januyar 2014, but my eligibility period dates back to 2012, during which time I was resident in Pakistan and England. Should i include my pre-landing periods in physical resident calculator?
 

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About question 9c, if you put YES you have to fill the form which is a form for people who worked as a crown servants outside Canada. What about if that is not your case? How could
9C has been controversial, but fact is its only for those who WANT to claim days while working OUTSIDE working for CROWN
 

Need Canadian Pr

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9C has been controversial, but fact is its only for those who WANT to claim days while working OUTSIDE working for CROWN
To me 9c
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10 is confusing
Because 10 asking no gap write the address in eligibility period

So if i go to holiday I m not sure should I write the holiday address or not
 

user828

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10 is about where you live, For eg., you live at 123 John St , Winnipeg and you went to Vacation/Holiday at Best Western, Hawaii - you LIVE at John St..not on Vacation adrress
They are simply looking for residential address changes
 

user828

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I was very excited to apply for citizenship on Oct 11 but now due to the lack of clarity on these questions have put off applying...:(

I don't have the same faith in IRCC that some of you possess and quite skeptical about a screwup.

In the physical residence calculator, should we be writing in the time before we became residents of Canada, as it is part of the eligibility period? My first ever time in Canada was landing as a PR in Januyar 2014, but my eligibility period dates back to 2012, during which time I was resident in Pakistan and England. Should i include my pre-landing periods in physical resident calculator?
No its only for the purpose of CA citizenship., ie., days spent in Canada as Visitor, Employment etc - so dont need info on where else you were resident of