Please help me for Q 6, 9a, 9c, 11, 13, 14

[Sumonaney]

QUESTION:

6: I have only one name I never changed my name so what should i write just N/A

9a. Eligibility period is > should i write just the year or full date since i came to Canada till today

9c. During your eligibility period did you live outside of Canada > yes i went for holiday only one trip so far and spend 59 days , why should i fill cit0177> i am not clear about it.

11. In work history box where were you physically located address > should i write my employer address or my residency address.

13. I was before two more country for work and study but i didn't get immigration or PR or Citizenship > so what should i write here . I only citizen my birth country, hope so Canada soon.

14. Table A > document I have two passport one was expired end of 2016 so made new one > in document box should i just write passport or passport number too

 

[kushari]

9a. That's taken directly from the Physical Presence Calculator online.

 

[user828]

QUESTION:

6: I have only one name I never changed my name so what should i write just N/A

Leave blank if none

9a. Eligibility period is > should i write just the year or full date since i came to Canada till today

From the Calculator

9c. During your eligibility period did you live outside of Canada > yes i went for holiday only one trip so far and spend 59 days , why should i fill cit0177> i am not clear about it.

You must have put this in Calculator and you need to put YES and Fill CIT0177 as it says in Column 4 ( include Trips for work/leisure/relaxation"

11. In work history box where were you physically located address > should i write my employer address or my residency address.

Work Address - Section 10 is for Home

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/q-11-home-address-or-company-address.522659/

13. I was before two more country for work and study but i didn't get immigration or PR or Citizenship > so what should i write here . I only citizen my birth country, hope so Canada soon.

Your birth Country, the one you have held passport of

14. Table A > document I have two passport one was expired end of 2016 so made new one > in document box should i just write passport or passport number too

Passport Number Eg., A123XXXX

Anwers - expand above

 

[Sumonaney]

Anwers - expand above

So question 13 i am writing the below way:

County ( Nepal )
Status ( Citizen by birth )
Date obtain/effective date : what should i write here , i mean should i write my dob.
Status valid ( current )

please correct me if i am wrong

 

[user828]

So question 13 i am writing the below way:

County ( Nepal )
Status ( Citizen by birth )
Date obtain/effective date : what should i write here , i mean should i write my dob.
Status valid ( current )

please correct me if i am wrong

yes DOB

 

[Hamid khan]

yes DOB

Why he or she will write DOB
He / she is citizen by birth
So my understanding should leave empty

Thanks
H Khan

 

[Kamran2015]

Anwers - expand above

I disagree with your answer on 9C: if you click on the help button or read the guide, it mentions that this question should only be answered yes only by those who are/were either crown servants, in the military or a family member of such people. It is also discussed on other forums on this site. Couple of forum users have called CIC and have got confirmation that only those who want to claim residency days abroad (again for being a crown servant or in the military) should answer yes to this question. Otherwise, it is a no.

The help button and guide both say:

There are very rare circumstances that will let you count time outside of Canada towards your physical presence calculation. If you resided outside of Canada because either:

• you
• your Canadian citizen or permanent resident spouse or common law partner
• permanent resident parent

was employed outside Canada (not as a locally engaged person) in or with:

• the Canadian Armed Forces
• the federal public administration
• the public service of a province or territory

Complete the Residence Outside of Canada form (CIT 0177) and submit any supporting documents requested in that form with your application.

 

[Sohmisaly]

Why he or she will write DOB
He / she is citizen by birth
So my understanding should leave empty

Thanks
H Khan

Yes person may be citizen by birth but does not necessarily have to. Someone may have second citizenship, obtained after few days/weeks of birth. Thats why you should mention date, if from birth date.

 

[dpenabill]

I disagree with your answer on 9C: if you click on the help button or read the guide, it mentions that this question should only be answered yes only by those who are/were either crown servants, in the military or a family member of such people. It is also discussed on other forums on this site. Couple of forum users have called CIC and have got confirmation that only those who want to claim residency days abroad (again for being a crown servant or in the military) should answer yes to this question. Otherwise, it is a no.

The help button and guide both say:

There are very rare circumstances that will let you count time outside of Canada towards your physical presence calculation. If you resided outside of Canada because either:

• you
• your Canadian citizen or permanent resident spouse or common law partner
• permanent resident parent

was employed outside Canada (not as a locally engaged person) in or with:

• the Canadian Armed Forces
• the federal public administration
• the public service of a province or territory

Complete the Residence Outside of Canada form (CIT 0177) and submit any supporting documents requested in that form with your application.

Actually the information in the drop down help does NOT mention that this question should be answered yes only by those who are/were either crown servants, in the military or a family member of such people. Rather it instructs that the crown service form is only for such individuals.

9.c. is obviously one of the several poorly worded items in the new form.

I doubt checking "no" will be a problem even though the applicant lived outside Canada during the eligibility period, so long as the applicant otherwise completely and accurately provides that information in the presence calculator and address history. Better, perhaps, to explain (briefly stating that the crown service form is Not Applicable) on a supplemental page included with the application. But as it is currently phrased in the form, anyone who has lived outside Canada during the five years prior to applying is instructed to respond "yes" to item 9.c.

As I have observed elsewhere, I believe that IRCC will approach many of these questions and items with a lot of flexibility, that as long as the applicant has provided the key information in a way that reasonably responds to what is requested and is otherwise complete and not misleading, IRCC will almost certainly be liberal in how it approaches the many vague, ambiguous, or otherwise problematic items in the form. Of course there are many parts of the form for which there are definite ways in which the applicant should respond, and errors in respect to these will be problematic in proportion to the nature and scope of the respective error. But for items like 9.c., item 6, among others, IRCC will most likely work with various approaches to how those are answered, again so long as otherwise the applicant has reasonably responded and provided the key information.

 

[jsm0085]

@Sumonaney
QUESTION:

6: I have only one name I never changed my name so what should i write just N/A

N/A is fine.

9a. Eligibility period is > should i write just the year or full date since i came to Canada till today

Complete the residency calculator, ending the date you intend to apply and if you're eligible - it'll tell you the period to write on your application form.

9c. During your eligibility period did you live outside of Canada > yes i went for holiday only one trip so far and spend 59 days , why should i fill cit0177> i am not clear about it.

Going on holiday is not living outside of Canada - it's going on Holiday. Living outside of Canada means moving abroad.

11. In work history box where were you physically located address > should i write my employer address or my residency address.

The physical address of the employer - where you actually worked.

13. I was before two more country for work and study but i didn't get immigration or PR or Citizenship > so what should i write here . I only citizen my birth country, hope so Canada soon.

Your other citizenship and the date it was granted (year and month of birth).

14. Table A > document I have two passport one was expired end of 2016 so made new one > in document box should i just write passport or passport number too

It asks for numbers so you should write the number from each passport and include copies of the bio page of each passport.

 

[user828]

I disagree with your answer on 9C: if you click on the help button or read the guide, it mentions that this question should only be answered yes only by those who are/were either crown servants, in the military or a family member of such people. It is also discussed on other forums on this site. Couple of forum users have called CIC and have got confirmation that only those who want to claim residency days abroad (again for being a crown servant or in the military) should answer yes to this question. Otherwise, it is a no.

The help button and guide both say:

There are very rare circumstances that will let you count time outside of Canada towards your physical presence calculation. If you resided outside of Canada because either:

• you
• your Canadian citizen or permanent resident spouse or common law partner
• permanent resident parent

was employed outside Canada (not as a locally engaged person) in or with:

• the Canadian Armed Forces
• the federal public administration
• the public service of a province or territory

Complete the Residence Outside of Canada form (CIT 0177) and submit any supporting documents requested in that form with your application.

You are right, I missed the crown servant part
However I feel they still would wanna know time/days spent outside Canada - especially when they are not asking for all pages of passport, and CBSA cannot identify exits to other countries except USA ( since they have memorandum ) unless they detail check Airline records - ideal in complicated immigration matters

**As matter if interest, Passport Stamps are also not reliable - I entered Montreal via road during a short 7 day trip in the US - they stamped the wrong year, 2001 instead of 2000 - so it made me looks as if I was out of Canada for 1 year. It stressed me out as this was my half-time period as a student but I was prepared to show docs if questioned. During my ceremony, I voluntarily told them about this mistake and they said thats OK, stamps are not a 100% proof and not reliable **

 

[Kamran2015]

Actually the information in the drop down help does NOT mention that this question should be answered yes only by those who are/were either crown servants, in the military or a family member of such people. Rather it instructs that the crown service form is only for such individuals.

9.c. is obviously one of the several poorly worded items in the new form.

I doubt checking "no" will be a problem even though the applicant lived outside Canada during the eligibility period, so long as the applicant otherwise completely and accurately provides that information in the presence calculator and address history. Better, perhaps, to explain (briefly stating that the crown service form is Not Applicable) on a supplemental page included with the application. But as it is currently phrased in the form, anyone who has lived outside Canada during the five years prior to applying is instructed to respond "yes" to item 9.c.

As I have observed elsewhere, I believe that IRCC will approach many of these questions and items with a lot of flexibility, that as long as the applicant has provided the key information in a way that reasonably responds to what is requested and is otherwise complete and not misleading, IRCC will almost certainly be liberal in how it approaches the many vague, ambiguous, or otherwise problematic items in the form. Of course there are many parts of the form for which there are definite ways in which the applicant should respond, and errors in respect to these will be problematic in proportion to the nature and scope of the respective error. But for items like 9.c., item 6, among others, IRCC will most likely work with various approaches to how those are answered, again so long as otherwise the applicant has reasonably responded and provided the key information.

I also agree that it is a poorly worded question. Yet for now, I think the safest root for people who are not crown servants or in military and who have lived outside Canada during the prescribed period is to:

1) answer no and below it write that although they lived outside Canada, they were not crown servants or other conditions applicable in form CIT0177
2) answer yes, and then mention that none of the conditions of form CIT0177 applies to them and that why they have not attached the form

between these 2 options, I prefer option 1 as it reduces the chances of the application being returned (although it should not happen even in this case) due to lack of docs or being incomplete.

 

[user828]

Why he or she will write DOB
He / she is citizen by birth
So my understanding should leave empty

Thanks
H Khan

Not every country gives citizenship by birth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

 

[Hamid khan]

@Sumonaney
QUESTION:

6: I have only one name I never changed my name so what should i write just N/A

N/A is fine.

9a. Eligibility period is > should i write just the year or full date since i came to Canada till today

Complete the residency calculator, ending the date you intend to apply and if you're eligible - it'll tell you the period to write on your application form.

9c. During your eligibility period did you live outside of Canada > yes i went for holiday only one trip so far and spend 59 days , why should i fill cit0177> i am not clear about it.

Going on holiday is not living outside of Canada - it's going on Holiday. Living outside of Canada means moving abroad.

11. In work history box where were you physically located address > should i write my employer address or my residency address.

The physical address of the employer - where you actually worked.

13. I was before two more country for work and study but i didn't get immigration or PR or Citizenship > so what should i write here . I only citizen my birth country, hope so Canada soon.

Your other citizenship and the date it was granted (year and month of birth).

14. Table A > document I have two passport one was expired end of 2016 so made new one > in document box should i just write passport or passport number too

It asks for numbers so you should write the number from each passport and include copies of the bio page of each passport.

9c : so you mean if any person go for vacation/holiday they don’t have to fill up cit0177

 

[Kamran2015]

You are right, I missed the crown servant part
However I feel they still would wanna know time/days spent outside Canada - especially when they are not asking for all pages of passport, and CBSA cannot identify exits to other countries except USA ( since they have memorandum ) unless they detail check Airline records - ideal in complicated immigration matters

**As matter if interest, Passport Stamps are also not reliable - I entered Montreal via road during a short 7 day trip in the US - they stamped the wrong year, 2001 instead of 2000 - so it made me looks as if I was out of Canada for 1 year. It stressed me out as this was my half-time period as a student but I was prepared to show docs if questioned. During my ceremony, I voluntarily told them about this mistake and they said thats OK, stamps are not a 100% proof and not reliable **

I get your point. I think they look at many things at the same time. Also, they look at the credibility of a person as a whole. They may also have access to information that we do not.