Please help I'm desperate expired pr card re-entering canada

[dpenabill]

Again, you can certainly try to board - nothing stopping you from trying. Just make sure you have a plan B if you're refused and need to find another way home.

I agree with this observation by scylla.

I fly with Air Canada... is there any chance they will let me board?

I do not know what chance you have. I disagree with the assertion the rule is so hard and fast that it is a serious violation if the airline allows you to board. Under the eTA rules the airlines has the FINAL say and they can indeed decide to allow a PR like you to board the flight. HOWEVER, that falls way, way short of suggesting there is much chance they will.

And as far as I understand, the airline does NOT pay a penalty or suffer any other detriment if you pass through the Canadian PoE OK . . . which it appears should be NO problem.

If this ticket was issued as part of a round-trip itinerary, it is possible that your boarding pass was already approved, or that this will otherwise suffice to tip the scales toward allowing you to board. Again, this is merely what is POSSIBLE. And I have no reason to doubt the assertion by others that it is NOT much likely . . . other than, again, there is the fact that the decision to allow boarding is ultimately for the airlines to make, which seems to be overlooked by some.

However this goes, please let us know. Similar situations are actually fairly common. Even if you benefit from an exception, and the airline allows you to board the flight, that does NOT mean anyone else should expect that to happen for them . . . but if you let us know how it actually goes, that will help us have a better idea if there is much chance at all that an airline might allow for such an exception.

Good luck!

 

[vensak]

I agree with this observation by scylla.




I do not know what chance you have. I disagree with the assertion the rule is so hard and fast that it is a serious violation if the airline allows you to board. Under the eTA rules the airlines has the FINAL say and they can indeed decide to allow a PR like you to board the flight. HOWEVER, that falls way, way short of suggesting there is much chance they will.

And as far as I understand, the airline does NOT pay a penalty or suffer any other detriment if you pass through the Canadian PoE OK . . . which it appears should be NO problem.

If this ticket was issued as part of a round-trip itinerary, it is possible that your boarding pass was already approved, or that this will otherwise suffice to tip the scales toward allowing you to board. Again, this is merely what is POSSIBLE. And I have no reason to doubt the assertion by others that it is NOT much likely . . . other than, again, there is the fact that the decision to allow boarding is ultimately for the airlines to make, which seems to be overlooked by some.

However this goes, please let us know. Similar situations are actually fairly common. Even if you benefit from an exception, and the airline allows you to board the flight, that does NOT mean anyone else should expect that to happen for them . . . but if you let us know how it actually goes, that will help us have a better idea if there is much chance at all that an airline might allow for such an exception.

Good luck!

The problem of any airline (including Canadian airline) is following:
1. If they bring somebody that will not be allowed to Canada, they have to bring him back (and here goes the fun part, as the destination where he came from does not need to be his country of citizenship and he could be refused there as well.
2. Except of that limited access to the PR database (and I would even dare to say, that there is no access and the machine is just reading some code from our PR card that is translated into validity). They do not have any access to the Canadian system in order to get proof if what you are saying is true. And lets be clear. Some people are extremely good lairs. No problem to tell a sob hurting story, no problem to name the details. So when discovered they will be back on the point 1.
3. If they have lot of back slash from Canada if they let anybody to pass in the plane is hard to tell. Also I believe, that there must be something prompting them to be hard about it.
4. And yes also even people with any type of TRV can be denied to enter Canada, then the airlines do have proof, that they have check the valid documents. At the end of the day, they are not immigration to make the final decision. So, here I am more like guessing, that such refusal are exempted of the returning rule. Not to mention that amount of such cases must be significantly lower.

What sucks for a PR holder is the system without any deadlines for PR renewal. Yes it comes mainly from a bit complicated rules of RO and also from the fact that they are checking criminality. However the biggest part of the RO could have been treated long ago, with proper exit data collecting (that would take care of app. 80% of cases where they try to determine if the RO were met or not).

So I guess the best way how to deal with the problem on a long term is to become citizen fast. And then hopefully get the express treatment when asking for passport or temporary passport document.

 

[desperatepr]

I agree with this observation by scylla.




I do not know what chance you have. I disagree with the assertion the rule is so hard and fast that it is a serious violation if the airline allows you to board. Under the eTA rules the airlines has the FINAL say and they can indeed decide to allow a PR like you to board the flight. HOWEVER, that falls way, way short of suggesting there is much chance they will.

And as far as I understand, the airline does NOT pay a penalty or suffer any other detriment if you pass through the Canadian PoE OK . . . which it appears should be NO problem.

If this ticket was issued as part of a round-trip itinerary, it is possible that your boarding pass was already approved, or that this will otherwise suffice to tip the scales toward allowing you to board. Again, this is merely what is POSSIBLE. And I have no reason to doubt the assertion by others that it is NOT much likely . . . other than, again, there is the fact that the decision to allow boarding is ultimately for the airlines to make, which seems to be overlooked by some.

However this goes, please let us know. Similar situations are actually fairly common. Even if you benefit from an exception, and the airline allows you to board the flight, that does NOT mean anyone else should expect that to happen for them . . . but if you let us know how it actually goes, that will help us have a better idea if there is much chance at all that an airline might allow for such an exception.

Good luck!

Thank you for all your comments... I thought I'd take my chances and try to board the flight... of course I was denied and told to apply for PRTD...SO that's what I will do... 2 of the people I know were almost denied entry from US boarder and one of them had to actually bring over a lawyer to represent him so that they will let him pass through.

 

[desperatepr]

I'm extremely worried that my company will fire me for being absent (2 weeks approved vacation and approx 2 weeks practically no show with notice) for about a month... *sigh*...

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Thank you for all your comments... I thought I'd take my chances and try to board the flight... of course I was denied and told to apply for PRTD...SO that's what I will do... 2 of the people I know were almost denied entry from US boarder and one of them had to actually bring over a lawyer to represent him so that they will let him pass through.

Short of situations with extreme criminal issues, PRs cannot be refused entry into Canada. If someone told you that they needed a lawyer to enter Canada as a PR, they were lying.

 

[scylla]

Short of situations with extreme criminal issues, PRs cannot be refused entry into Canada. If someone told you that they needed a lawyer to enter Canada as a PR, they were lying.

Agreed. There must be more to the story.

 

[Rob_TO]

If this ticket was issued as part of a round-trip itinerary, it is possible that your boarding pass was already approved, or that this will otherwise suffice to tip the scales toward allowing you to board.

From my understanding of the process, tickets/boarding passes are merely reserved when you book any flight, round-trip or not, in advance. It's only during the actual check-in process which opens up usually 24 hours before the flight, where the ticket/boarding pass is actually issued and the travelers documents are all verified.

Whenever my wife (who is a PR) travels on round-trip itineraries, she is typically unable to do the automated check-in process in advance as her PR card must first be physically verified by a check-in agent before being issued the boarding pass.

With the hundreds of airline companies in the world, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the smaller ones occasionally bend the rules to allow boarding in these cases. But I would imagine the bigger ones (like Air Canada, Korean Air, etc) are much more strict and wouldn't tend to allow check-in agents to bend the rules at all.

 

[Rob_TO]

Thank you for all your comments... I thought I'd take my chances and try to board the flight... of course I was denied and told to apply for PRTD...SO that's what I will do... 2 of the people I know were almost denied entry from US boarder and one of them had to actually bring over a lawyer to represent him so that they will let him pass through.

If you fly to the USA and cross into Canada by land, you should have absolutely no issue entering Canada. Just show CBSA your expired PR card or COPR, explain your situation, and you will be fine.

 

[qureishi]

I had to book my flight when my long estranged father whom I haven't seen for 15 yrs have contacted me and wanted to see his daughter... I just got hired at new company and it was tough getting 2 week vacation to come to Korea. I didn't even realize my pr card was expired and I applied for renewal with my immigration lawyer in December 2017. It should've come 1~2 weeks ago so I thought I would receive it before I have to return to Canada.
... Well it still hasn't come and I have to go back to Canada tomorrow... I need to arrive on May 1st to go back to work on May 2nd... I have renewal application receipt, expired pr card, proof of employment and also a proof of sponsorship for my husband because he got his pr by marrying me. We have a son who is a Canada citizen. I never left Canada for 8 yrs until now... I have all the tax information from past 8 yrs to prove that I lived in Canada for past 8 yrs without leaving the country. I was only in Korea for 2 weeks so didn't have time to apply for PRTD either... There is no place that issues it as Korea sends the documents to Phillipines. Takes too long...I don't have enough money to buy ticket to USA and drive to Canada either... It was tough for me to even come here in the first place. Just had to see my father for the first time in 15 yrs... I fly with Air Canada... is there any chance they will let me board? Do airlines pay fine for boarding pr without the card even if they pass through the custums? Or only when they get deported back? Please help...

Why you did not get Canadian passport while living 8 years in Canada ??