Please guys I need a convincing and re-assuring answer

[Aal_]

Hi guys,

I know asivad said to go ahead and do it but i still have doubt (not in asivad but in the whole system)

So i have from WES "Bachelor's degree (four years) AND Two years of graduate study)

now if it was just like that i would definitely choose 2 or more degrees.

However in my case, which is not in any case in this forum, my two years of graduate study are ACTUALLY 2 years of graduate study and not a degree that was EVALUATED AS 2 years of graduate study. When I am filling my profile not sure how to fill this. I studied 2 years of masters but did not do my final thesis to get the degree. in the profile if i put as second degree and NOT COMPLETE it will not count the two or more evaluation for ECA (probably because i set it as NOT COMPLETE). On the other hand I have to put the "Two or more ..." on the ECA evaluation of the Bachelor's entry.

Can someone clarify without a doubt that ECA conversion DOES NOT require to have an actual degree from your country under-evaluated to 2 years of graduate study, in order to count the Two or more degrees option? Thank you!

 

[coolhyd]

Hi guys,

I know asivad said to go ahead and do it but i still have doubt (not in asivad but in the whole system)

So i have from WES "Bachelor's degree (four years) AND Two years of graduate study)

now if it was just like that i would definitely choose 2 or more degrees.

However in my case, which is not in any case in this forum, my two years of graduate study are ACTUALLY 2 years of graduate study and not a degree that was EVALUATED AS 2 years of graduate study. When I am filling my profile not sure how to fill this. I studied 2 years of masters but did not do my final thesis to get the degree. in the profile if i put as second degree and NOT COMPLETE it will not count the two or more evaluation for ECA (probably because i set it as NOT COMPLETE). On the other hand I have to put the "Two or more ..." on the ECA evaluation of the Bachelor's entry.

Can someone clarify without a doubt that ECA conversion DOES NOT require to have an actual degree from your country under-evaluated to 2 years of graduate study, in order to count the Two or more degrees option? Thank you!

If you didn't get a degree, then you cannot claim it. You will need an ECA though.

 

[Aal_]

If you didn't get a degree, then you cannot claim it. You will need an ECA though.

But the ECA summary says "Bachelor's degree and Two years of graduate study". Isn't that mapped in the ECA conversion page to Two or more degrees without the need for looking at the details?

Are you saying 2 years of master's coursework is worse than 1 year diploma? that just doesn't make sense to me and is not clear in CIC

 

[coolhyd]

But the ECA summary says "Bachelor's degree and Two years of graduate study". Isn't that mapped in the ECA conversion page to Two or more degrees without the need for looking at the details?

Are you saying 2 years of master's coursework is worse than 1 year diploma? that just doesn't make sense to me and is not clear in CIC

Sorry, I didn't understand your first post. I would be inclined to select two or more degrees, but I will be careful as the ECA says two years of graduate study and not a degree or diploma.

 

[Aal_]

Sorry, I didn't understand your first post. I would be inclined to select two or more degrees, but I will be careful as the ECA says two years of graduate study and not a degree or diploma.

Thanks. That is my issue. How can i be careful? so the second detail of my assessment it says it is not comparable to a canadian degree (which is correct there is no degree) but the equivalency is two years of graduate study. Also it appears in the summary at the header Bachelor and two years of graduate study.

I just don't know if i risk it and change my profile to be later rejected

 

[arcticbeans]

I think the issue is that if you don't have the final certificate from the university saying that you have a masters degree, then it doesn't count as a masters degree, even if you have done two years of post grad study.

The safest option would be to select one degree, as that is what you ECA confirms. If you select two or more degrees, the officer processing will look at your ECA and say that you ECA says one degree and two years post grad study, hence what you are claiming and your ECA don't match.

Yes, two years of masters coursework is worse (in CIC terms) than a one year diploma which you finished and got the certificate for. Sadly you cant claim points for unfinished qualifications.

What you can do is use that information on your Job Bank profile, and use it when applying for jobs as additional expertise and experience.

 

[Aal_]

I think the issue is that if you don't have the final certificate from the university saying that you have a masters degree, then it doesn't count as a masters degree, even if you have done two years of post grad study.

The safest option would be to select one degree, as that is what you ECA confirms. If you select two or more degrees, the officer processing will look at your ECA and say that you ECA says one degree and two years post grad study, hence what you are claiming and your ECA don't match.

Yes, two years of masters coursework is worse (in CIC terms) than a one year diploma which you finished and got the certificate for. Sadly you cant claim points for unfinished qualifications.

What you can do is use that information on your Job Bank profile, and use it when applying for jobs as additional expertise and experience.

Thanks. But on the page what your eca report means, it is mentioned that a bachelor and one year of graduate study can be considered as 2 or more. This is my confusion. Should it be an actual degree and evaluated as such, or a one year of graduate study is a one year of graduate study.

I understand what you are saying but it is not clear on cic pages.

 

[paulard]

I remember to see people saying that need to send the copy of certificates/transcripts as also de WES report as part of the PR application. I believe if you don't have any certificate/transcripts for these 2 years study, you may be rejected by the officer.

The rule is clear, no certificate no points. It is opt to you to take the risks. I wouldn't.

 

[paulard]

Let me ask you something, how you get these 2 years validated by WES without diploma/certificate?

 

[Aal_]

I remember to see people saying that need to send the copy of certificates/transcripts as also de WES report as part of the PR application. I believe if you don't have any certificate/transcripts for these 2 years study, you may be rejected by the officer.

The rule is clear, no certificate no points. It is opt to you to take the risks. I wouldn't.

I have transcripts for these 2 years. And they clearly say graduate courses. It is an American university

 

[Aal_]

Let me ask you something, how you get these 2 years validated by WES without diploma/certificate?

Transcripts are available for the 2 years. I sent the transcripts. They evaluated it.

 

[paulard]

Interesting. Maybe you good to go, since the ECA - how to read the results says:

"ECA assessment results:

A three-year or more certificate, diploma, or degree

PLUS any of the results in the sections below (not including secondary/high school), or:

Post-Bachelor's Certificate
Post-undergraduate certificate
Post-Bachelor's Diploma
Post-undergraduate diploma
Graduate Certificate
Graduate Certificate with a focus in [area of concentration]
Postgraduate certificate
Postgraduate Diploma
Graduate Diploma with a focus in [area of concentration]
Graduate diploma
two-year Postgraduate Diploma, specializing in [name of discipline]
two-year Bachelor’s after degree with a focus in [area of concentration]
one-year Postgraduate Certificate in [name of discipline]
one-year of graduate study with a focus in [area of concentration]
Dual Bachelor’s degree (four years)"

 

[Aal_]

Interesting. Maybe you good to go, since the ECA - how to read the results says:

"ECA assessment results:

A three-year or more certificate, diploma, or degree

PLUS any of the results in the sections below (not including secondary/high school), or:

Post-Bachelor's Certificate
Post-undergraduate certificate
Post-Bachelor's Diploma
Post-undergraduate diploma
Graduate Certificate
Graduate Certificate with a focus in [area of concentration]
Postgraduate certificate
Postgraduate Diploma
Graduate Diploma with a focus in [area of concentration]
Graduate diploma
two-year Postgraduate Diploma, specializing in [name of discipline]
two-year Bachelor’s after degree with a focus in [area of concentration]
one-year Postgraduate Certificate in [name of discipline]
one-year of graduate study with a focus in [area of concentration]
Dual Bachelor’s degree (four years)"

Is there a way I can ask cic about this before going into all the trouble?

 

[Aal_]

Guys as it stands now, I removed the two degrees, so my score fell from 477 to 445. I am trying to get the Ontario PNP and being safe is better. BUT in case i don't get it by end of August, I need to know if I can bump it up to 477 again as there will be better chance. Does someone know whom i can ask or something? Any new ideas? This is the only place i can get help at the moment. Thanks.

 

[Stanlee]

Guys as it stands now, I removed the two degrees, so my score fell from 477 to 445. I am trying to get the Ontario PNP and being safe is better. BUT in case i don't get it by end of August, I need to know if I can bump it up to 477 again as there will be better chance. Does someone know whom i can ask or something? Any new ideas? This is the only place i can get help at the moment. Thanks.

You can update your Express Entry profile any number of times till you get ITA.