PGP 2023

[SeniorStakes]

You have no idea whether you tax liability will cover your healthcare costs and your dependents if you have children. All you taxes doesn’t only go to healthcare first of all. If one of you get cancer or a multitude of diseases and conditions that could use up a large portion of the taxes you contribute to healthcare for your lifetime. If you are not a fan of how Canada works then you should have moved to the US. The parent sponsorship program is purely an H&C program it makes no economic sense. I have seen plenty of families who make less money barely rely on the healthcare system for any caregiving while the wealthiest have applied for any low income progrqm available for their parents, used longterm care homes versus doing the caregiving at home, etc. Family income does not necessarily lead to higher healthcare spending. Would add that sponsoring a parent relies on 1-3 years of income so families can end up earning significantly more than they did during that period. Families can also end up earning significantly less. Almost all the countries that provide publicly funded healthcare don’t allow parents to immigrate and use the public system or only allow a very limited number. Canada isn’t a socialist country. The healthcare system is only around 70% publicly funded. Our income and wealth still factors into your lifestyle, ability to afford housing, food, further education, transportation, etc. so there is plenty of incentive to earn more and achieve more. Taxes are going up everywhere since most of the world has been living off of debt. Canada isn’t an outlier.

Quoting exceptions never adds value to an argument. Arguments should be rationalized through data points that represent a typical case (not exceptions).

PGP is an economic program, not H&C. If they stop it today, they will lose taxpayers tomorrow. It's the hope that's keeping taxpayers here.

It's funny Canadians expect immigrats to pay taxes but not voice their demands. Yes, I want best of not just both worlds but all worlds because I am ready to work hard.

Freebies don't last forever and the means to freebies (taxpayers) vanish sooner than the freebies themselves.

 

[SeniorStakes]

Sorry but the entitlement in your post is astonishing. When you moved to Canada, you knew the rules and the fact that it is a socialist country, which is why immigration was easy. Secondly, if you love US so much, why didn’t you move there? That’s right because US doesn’t give green card easily, you have to wait for 20-30 or 50 years with Indian passport. Whereas in Canada, you can get PR in less than a year without even having lived in the country. Considering your income level, you can have them live here for 5 years on Super visa. The only downside of super visa is you have to pay for all medical expenses, and since you make good enough money you should be able to pay for it yourself. You barely moved 2 years back and you already want your parents to get all the rights. But people have been waiting 10years to reunite with their families. Even in india you have to live for over 10 years to get citizenship.

The reason the government gives CCB is to help families have more kids who are our future. We need younger generation to work in Canada in the future. Canada already has an aging population and they don’t need more.

As for private healthcare, there are private clinics and thanks to Dougie he’s opening more for profit private hospitals and clinics, you’re more than welcome to go there. But more than half the people here are struggling to keep a roof over their heads and be able to have a full stomach, and you expect them to also start paying for healthcare, even though we’re also paying massive amounts in taxes. And for what? Just so that rich entitled people like you can get what they want? On top of that you still want to use Canadian resources to get citizenship, then you’ll probably move to another western country, make a lot of money and then come back here for retirement to get old age benefits and free healthcare, without having contributed to the country for whole life. People like you is what is wrong with this country. I also moved here from India 5 years back and still waiting for opportunity to show interest in PGP, but I’m okay with waiting a little bit. A lottery system is insane but taking away free healthcare is even worse.

US can give green card quickly. Have you heard of L1A programs which could lead to EB1C?

You say Canada doesn't need old people anymore. Are you willing to forfeit your own Canadian citizenship once you turn 50?

Canadian are struggling to have a roof because of the presence of freebies. If the government mandates people to work hard, they will which will lead to increase in aggregate wealth.

I am not recommending to take away healthcare completely. Instead, a better way is to have Canada pay 80 percent and the individual pay 20 percent unless there is an economic crisis. In fact, anymore earning above 200K must not receive public healthcare. Public Healthcare should be for needy, not everyone.

 

[j87]

You can show world income as long as you have a CRA tax return for that year. All three years need to be supported by CRA tax returns.

Hi Scylla,

Sorry I am new to this PGP, and I am interested in sponsoring my parents, as my income in 2019-2022 would meet the requirement.
Do you have any clues that when would it be released? And does it have limited amount of applications to be accepted?

also curious, have you ever heard someone who has the criminal records (it happened 40/50 years ago) would be able to be sponsored?

thank you!

 

[scylla]

Hi Scylla,

Sorry I am new to this PGP, and I am interested in sponsoring my parents, as my income in 2019-2022 would meet the requirement.
Do you have any clues that when would it be released? And does it have limited amount of applications to be accepted?

also curious, have you ever heard someone who has the criminal records (it happened 40/50 years ago) would be able to be sponsored?

thank you!

I don't know when it will be released. Yes, there will be a limited number of applications accepted.

The criminal records have to be declared. Whether this will be an issue or not will depend on the nature of the convictions.

 

[j87]

I don't know when it will be released. Yes, there will be a limited number of applications accepted.

The criminal records have to be declared. Whether this will be an issue or not will depend on the nature of the convictions.

Thanks Scylla.

have you ever heard someone with criminal record could be sponsored?
I am wondering if I should just apply it for either of my parents according to this reason.

Also, for the co-sign problem, as my husband is the only one who works in the family. Does it mean if his income meets the requirement, he can be the co-signer to sponsor my parents?

thanks again

 

[scylla]

Thanks Scylla.

have you ever heard someone with criminal record could be sponsored?
I am wondering if I should just apply it for either of my parents according to this reason.

Also, for the co-sign problem, as my husband is the only one who works in the family. Does it mean if his income meets the requirement, he can be the co-signer to sponsor my parents?

thanks again

Yes, there are people with criminal records who have been sponsored. Again, it depends on the nature of the crime.

You cannot just sponsor one parent. Both parents must pass the medical and criminal / security check in order for the application to be approved.

Yes, your husband can co-sign.

 

[j87]

Yes, there are people with criminal records who have been sponsored. Again, it depends on the nature of the crime.

You cannot just sponsor one parent. Both parents must pass the medical and criminal / security check in order for the application to be approved.

Yes, your husband can co-sign.

Thanks. I will keep an eye on the program.

 

[Copingwithlife]

US can give green card quickly. Have you heard of L1A programs which could lead to EB1C?

You say Canada doesn't need old people anymore. Are you willing to forfeit your own Canadian citizenship once you turn 50?

Canadian are struggling to have a roof because of the presence of freebies. If the government mandates people to work hard, they will which will lead to increase in aggregate wealth.

I am not recommending to take away healthcare completely. Instead, a better way is to have Canada pay 80 percent and the individual pay 20 percent unless there is an economic crisis. In fact, anymore earning above 200K must not receive public healthcare. Public Healthcare should be for needy, not everyone.

Priceless for an individual brand new to this country to start lecturing and giving tips on Government programs . Even richer when the said individual has barely landed here for two years . No wonder people’s attitude towards the levels of immigration in this country is changing.
I concur , the entitlement well…….

 

[canuck78]

Quoting exceptions never adds value to an argument. Arguments should be rationalized through data points that represent a typical case (not exceptions).

PGP is an economic program, not H&C. If they stop it today, they will lose taxpayers tomorrow. It's the hope that's keeping taxpayers here.

It's funny Canadians expect immigrats to pay taxes but not voice their demands. Yes, I want best of not just both worlds but all worlds because I am ready to work hard.

Freebies don't last forever and the means to freebies (taxpayers) vanish sooner than the freebies themselves.

PGP isn’t an economic program. It is more of a drain on the taxpayer than providing economic benefit. Some parents do provide childcare but I have seen children have to leave work to take care of their parents. There will never be enough PGP spots for all immigrants and people immigrating to Canada know that parent sponsorship isn’t guaranteed. What about all the immigrants who have spent the majority of their lives working in Canada? Shouldn’t they have access to a GP, for example, vs a senior that has never worked in Canada?

 

[steaky]

PGP isn’t an economic program. It is more of a drain on the taxpayer than providing economic benefit. Some parents do provide childcare but I have seen children have to leave work to take care of their parents. There will never be enough PGP spots for all immigrants and people immigrating to Canada know that parent sponsorship isn’t guaranteed. What about all the immigrants who have spent the majority of their lives working in Canada? Shouldn’t they have access to a GP, for example, vs a senior that has never worked in Canada?

They don't have access to GP in a walk-in clinic? Shouldn't it's time for Canada to give more opportunitities for Canadian students to become GP in this country or foreign trained professionals to become eligible to practice here?

 

[canuck78]

They don't have access to GP in a walk-in clinic? Shouldn't it's time for Canada to give more opportunitities for Canadian students to become GP in this country or foreign trained professionals to become eligible to practice here?

A walk-in clinic is not having a GP because you are not seen by the same doctor who will get to know you and follow your health longterm. Most Canadian medical students don’t want to become GPs these days because the poor pay compared to other types of doctors and many have personalities that are not compatible with being a GP. Many entering medical school already have a masters degree, are very high achievers, have 150-300k or debt and want to become specialists. You have to train IMGs which costs money and requires adequate doctors to train them. You can’t just add extra people to each residency program because they won’t get as much experience. Ontario government is trying a system that is done in BC and SK that has foreign trained GPs work under a Canadian GPs in an underserved community but they must commit to work there for 5 years (I believe). The issue is that most GPs are so busy they can’t or don’t want to sign off on the charts of another physician and have to watch them to determine if they are suitable for practice so many spots go unfilled. I assume there will be a few more spots for IMGs to become GPs in Canada through this new program but you can’t keep piling on the work on the GPs while not adequately compensating them.

 

[SeniorStakes]

PGP isn’t an economic program. It is more of a drain on the taxpayer than providing economic benefit. Some parents do provide childcare but I have seen children have to leave work to take care of their parents. There will never be enough PGP spots for all immigrants and people immigrating to Canada know that parent sponsorship isn’t guaranteed. What about all the immigrants who have spent the majority of their lives working in Canada? Shouldn’t they have access to a GP, for example, vs a senior that has never worked in Canada?

I think you are highly uninformed about certain cultures. Not sure if you are Indian but in India, children never abandon their parents. 50 percent of Canadian immigration is from people of Indian descent.

Coming back to the context, PGP is indeed an economic program implicitly (not explicitly) because without this program, at least Indian immigrants will leave Canada forever. Thus, Canada will be a net loser by giving citizenship to all these immigrants who stick around for a few years and then vanish for ever.

The government is well aware of this aspect and this is why we have a PGP program which supports the economic immigration. If you want immigrants to continue working here and pay taxes, you are forced to have a PGP program running in parallel.

If Canada wants to run PGP in a truly money-draining manner, they should put a per country cap on PRs but they won't do so primarily because this will decrease the CRS cut off thereby decreasing the quality of incoming immigrants thereby decreasing the taxes. It's all about money. The government wants money and therefore it has an economic PGP program. Hope it clarifies now!

 

[SeniorStakes]

Priceless for an individual brand new to this country to start lecturing and giving tips on Government programs . Even richer when the said individual has barely landed here for two years . No wonder people’s attitude towards the levels of immigration in this country is changing.
I concur , the entitlement well…….

Priceless for an individual, apparently VIP member on this forum, to curtail freedom of expression of a new immigrant, and blatantly exhibiting lack of inclusivity.

Knowing certain immigration rules here and there and generous availability of free time has made you a VIP member, but in order to become truly informed, I suggest you to read Canadian constitution and understand fundamental right of equality. Restricting immigration of seniors just because they can't earn is actually constitutionally wrong - which is why this is PGP program exists. ... I did not come up with this point. My wife who is a PhD in law shared these thoughts.

 

[ShahidF]

Can you guys share the link where I can check if pgp 2023 is open or closed?
I came to Canada in late 2019 and now I have 3 years of NOAs (2020,2021,2023) so I started to do research about PGP.

 

[scylla]

Can you guys share the link where I can check if pgp 2023 is open or closed?
I came to Canada in late 2019 and now I have 3 years of NOAs (2020,2021,2023) so I started to do research about PGP.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/family-sponsorship/sponsor-parents-grandparents.html