PGP 2020

[Niharika_11]

Why are we arguing on the Topic which is not the Topic of the forum. Please stay focused. This is PGP thread.

 

[nayr69sg]

Why are we arguing on the Topic which is not the Topic of the forum. Please stay focused. This is PGP thread.

I apologize.

As you know I am not the one who keeps bringing up healthcare issues at the forum. However I also feel some duty to rebut the claims that PGP will destroy our healthcare system as a reason to cancel PGP.

Perhaps the moderators or admin can help with certain members who constantly come to try and psycho us about this healthcare stuff.

 

[screech339]

I have often told friends and relatives that what a patient thinks is a good doctor or good care may not necessarily be what a doctor who is learned in the field recognizes as good medicine.

It depends. What condition are you referring to? How many months is "months" 1-2? 3-4? 5-6? 9-12? 12-18?

Ideally there should be ZERO wait time.

Well if you have private healthcare facilities the wait should be zero right? Well think again. You still wait. Supply and demand. There will be surgeons and specialists who will be more popular than others. Do you prefer to wait for the good surgeon with excellent reviews and reputation? Or not wait and go for the new kid on the block?

Patients also sometimes fall for the doctor who is a great orator and communicator. Or simply the one who has great bedside manners and maybe will tend to go along with what you want rather than follow the guidelines on good medicine with least waste.

To me good quality care is when the right things are done for the right conditions and with the least morbidity and mortality and complications.

wait times that do not impact overall outcome is not a factor for me.

On that note as a physician I make it a point for my patients to have almost zero wait time. I pride myself in doing it. But a lot of work has to be done in preparation before I see the patient. going through their charts, searching up information on the database. It can be done. I have also seen doctors who dont bother about letting patients wait. Come in late. Take their time with a cup of coffee first etc.

But there will be patients who will be willing to wait for a particular doctor versus one that they dont need to wait for too.

I had very little or no wait time during my time 5 year work in US. While US has a different system from Canada and has its pros and cons, it is incorrect to say "supply and demand" will not remove long wait times. While it will not remove wait times, it does substantially reduce wait times.

While wait times does not impact your outcome, it is easy for you to say that when you are not in pain waiting months for appointment / or operation. Come back here next time you are in pain and need to wait for months for operation. You have seen some posts on here that some are not willing to wait in pain and willing to fly out of the country usually back to home country to complete the treatment / operation. When people have to leave Canada for treatment that can easily be done here, there is something wrong with the system.

Sorry I apologize as well. We just have to agree to disagree on the subject matter and leave the issue to rest.

 

[screech339]

Yes it will of course. I have never denied that fact. But PGP alone does not break the system. And can the system find ways to cope with an extra 10k of old folks? Of course it can.

BTW: That 10K number is for number of applications to be accepted. Each application usually means two parents or grandparents. Thus it is not extra 10K old folks, it's an extra 20K old folks. If extra 10K will not break the system according to you, why can't we reduce the cap to 5000 as it originally was.

 

[nayr69sg]

BTW: That 10K number is for number of applications to be accepted. Each application usually means two parents or grandparents. Thus it is not extra 10K old folks, it's an extra 20K old folks. If extra 10K will not break the system according to you, why can't we reduce the cap to 5000 as it originally was.

let's take the discussion private if you dont mind. I have sent you private messages.

 

[ihg]

PGP should be only for parents and sponsor should be citizen to avoid the misuse , i know lot of people just got the PR move to Qubec and just show one year income and bought 6 family members - parents and 4 dependent child's what a crappy system

 

[Ventorro]

Hi guys, I have checked last 3 pages but couldn’t find the info
Is there any update for PGP2020?

 

[Dainik]

Hi guys, I have checked last 3 pages but couldn’t find the info
Is there any update for PGP2020?

That's funny, in way. Sorry we derailed from the subject.
No there is No new info. so far on PGP2020.
Something might surface before April 1st. Hang in there.

 

[simfhs]

I agree, here is a few tips to help with this year intake:

1. Accept only Canadian citizens and no PR sponsor, the longer the years of being citizen the higher priority

2. Set up front application fee of at least 30k (like Australia) to cover medical cost. If not successful then refund the full fee minus $300 screening fee. Anyone not afford this fee need to work harder as it is not a fraction of healthcare cost for their parents that Canada tax payers will pay for them. I believe many sponsors would die to pay this fee to reunite with their family, this fee will help offset Canadian tax payer cost for admitting seniors.

3. Prioritize based on number of years paying tax plus the total amount of income tax paid to Canada by sponsors.

4. If already applied for parents then need to wait 5 years before can apply for in-law.

5. Any dependents to parents need to pay extra 10K for healthcare fee.

6. Limit the number of parents to be sponsored per country of origin (No single country can have more than 20% intake of parents/grandparents) each year.

This seems the most fair approach.

 

[Nishiminami]

There is so much suspense building up for the pgp this year.

 

[immig_IT_guy]

There is so much suspense building up for the pgp this year.

Agreed!!

 

[Niharika_11]

There is so much suspense building up for the pgp this year.

There is no news on pgp2020.
Even the Federal Govt website is not updated.
Why are they so lazy to update the Citizenship website. The Main website still says that if they need more applicants for "2019" they will open the Interest to sponsor form in 2019.
This shows that how professional the government is. 2019 is long gone. We are in 2020. Very disappointing.

 

[HDG]

Can I apply for my mom and mother-in-law on the same form???

 

[aviralanand2007]

Can I apply for my mom and mother-in-law on the same form???

Yes, you can apply for both your Mom and Mom-in-law as long as you meet the financial requirement. you will be a sponsor for your Mom and Co_sponsor for Mom-in-law

 

[kwgcda]

Can I apply for my mom and mother-in-law on the same form???

Since we don't know how the 2020 program will be set up.. If this was 2019, you wouldn't be able to use the same form. Only you can apply for your mom and only your spouse can apply for his/her mom. You can co-sign but the application for your mom-in-law would need to be submitted in a separate application.