Petitioning CIC to improve inland processing time and grant Open Work Permit

[screech339]

BC case is different. apparently in BC, they are eligible for BC MSP as long as the application has been filed. the sponsor has to pay the premium. i was told it's unique to BC. the case has nothing to do with delay in process. it's to do with proving that the application was submitted.

I got the impression that BC health have to get an AIP letter from CIC in order to qualify for coverage. Much like Ontario health coverage. So they still didn't get their AIP letter.

I am surprised that BC health coverage would begin the moment they get AOR? That's not smart. One could send in an incomplete application or a fake application and get BC coverage because they submitted application. I still think getting AIP letter to qualify makes more sense than AOR letter.

 

[Ponga]

I got the impression that BC health have to get an AIP letter from CIC in order to qualify for coverage. Much like Ontario health coverage. So they still didn't get their AIP letter.

I am surprised that BC health coverage would begin the moment they get AOR? That's not smart. One could send in an incomplete application or a fake application and get BC coverage because they submitted application. I still think getting AIP letter to qualify makes more sense than AOR letter.

Well, with all due respect...I'm glad you're not in charge, since I do have BC MSP and have not reached AIP yet.

It doesn't begin the `moment they get AOR'. The waiting period is 2 months, plus the balance of the month that CIC received the application, which is the AOR date.

 

[chakrab]

I got the impression that BC health have to get an AIP letter from CIC in order to qualify for coverage. Much like Ontario health coverage. So they still didn't get their AIP letter.

I am surprised that BC health coverage would begin the moment they get AOR? That's not smart. One could send in an incomplete application or a fake application and get BC coverage because they submitted application. I still think getting AIP letter to qualify makes more sense than AOR letter.

yes but the sponsor is paying the premium at a premium rate. that's just same as paying for private coverage.

 

[Ponga]

yes but the sponsor is paying the premium at a premium rate. that's just same as paying for private coverage.

The premium is the same for everyone in BC. He's paying the same as everyone else.

 

[chakrab]

The premium is the same for everyone in BC. He's paying the same as everyone else.

when i checked their website, it was based on income. but i guess most people in BC will earn at the maximum level.

 

[screech339]

Thanks for giving me the education on qualification for BC coverage. But I still think getting AIP letter makes more sense than just a submittal to qualify. I can see fraud can take place without verifying that the applicant passes 1st stage and qualify for PR processing. I am being a devil's advocate here in showing the other side of the coin.

 

[civic]

As RobTO mentioned, the fees you pay for spousal sponsorship is a small portion of the total cost. If you really think that the fees should cover the full cost, expect your fees to a lot higher than what you are paying.

The only government service that is 100% fee paid for the service is the Canadian Passport service. What you pay for the passport is what is suppose to cost to get your Canadian Passport. Everything else, you are only paying a small portion of the cost. The rest is paid for by taxpayers.

Are postal stamps subsidized too? :-X I never realized how nice my government is. Sorry Mr. Government.

 

[screech339]

Are postal stamps subsidized too? :-X I never realized how nice my government is. Sorry Mr. Government.

Yes the postal service is losing money every year because the cost of stamps won't cover the actual cost. They have been depending on bulk flyer mail to survive due to today's technology like email and online billing.

Before email and online billing came along, everyone was sending letters and bills in the mail. The cost of stamp probably was enough to cover the actual cost. Nowadays, due to less letters, bills sent in the mail, the cost is not enough due to the small volume of mail to deliver.

 

[Ponga]

when i checked their website, it was based on income. but i guess most people in BC will earn at the maximum level.

You are absolutely correct. My apologies.

 

[civic]

Yes the postal service is losing money every year because the cost of stamps won't cover the actual cost. They have been depending on bulk flyer mail to survive due to today's technology like email and online billing.

How come when government agencies fail their missions, it's the people's fault, it's the previous governments's faults. It seems to be never the people currently in charge that are at fault. Liberals are blamed for CIC ugly CURRENT processing time. Volume of applications and fraudster are blamed for CIC's delays.

 

[Ponga]

Thanks for giving me the education on qualification for BC coverage. But I still think getting AIP letter makes more sense than just a submittal to qualify. I can see fraud can take place without verifying that the applicant passes 1st stage and qualify for PR processing. I am being a devil's advocate here in showing the other side of the coin.

Fair enough, but fraud can be detected at any stage. Besides, if the applicant submitted a fraudulent application, I would hope that the sponsor would be financially liable for anything (including medical expenses), since they did sign the sponsorship agreement PRIOR to AOR.

 

[Rob_TO]

Are postal stamps subsidized too? :-X I never realized how nice my government is. Sorry Mr. Government.

As Screech said, of course the post office is subsidized. It costs on average $168 per year per each address in Canada, to operate Canada's postal system. That $1 you pay to mail a letter doesn't come close to the actual cost.

Last year they lost something like $200 Million, and that loss will grow each year. If it wasn't subsidized by general tax payers, there wouldn't be a post office.

Civic you obviously have no clue on how government fees or budgets work, so you should really stop trying to post on the topic.

 

[sunshinemrc]

oh and by the way, it seems to me that noone seems to know the rules of how a petition to a federal government works. Firstly, you need a minimum of 5000 signatures, all those must come from either PRs or Citizens of this country in order for a petion to even make it into the ministers office. So all the "visitor spouses/inland applicants" your signatures are worthless. As it should be you (the visitor spouses, inland applicants) have no say how the Government of Canada should conduct its business.

 

[screech339]

oh and by the way, it seems to me that noone seems to know the rules of how a petition to a federal government works. Firstly, you need a minimum of 5000 signatures, all those must come from either PRs or Citizens of this country in order for a petion to even make it into the ministers office. So all the "visitor spouses/inland applicants" your signatures are worthless. As it should be you (the visitor spouses, inland applicants) have no say how the Government of Canada should conduct its business.

Very interesting point you brought up. Most petitions that I have seen also require addresses and phone numbers as well to verify that the signatures are real. It is probably used to compare the signatures and address to internal records to confirm the names and address.

Screech339

 

[civic]

oh and by the way, it seems to me that noone seems to know the rules of how a petition to a federal government works. Firstly, you need a minimum of 5000 signatures, all those must come from either PRs or Citizens of this country in order for a petion to even make it into the ministers office. So all the "visitor spouses/inland applicants" your signatures are worthless. As it should be you (the visitor spouses, inland applicants) have no say how the Government of Canada should conduct its business.

Where do you get the number from? I would like to know more about the petition rules you mentioned.

So basically in Canada people who pay for their service have no say on how the system works. Because immigration is a privilege not a right and because they have to wait until the day they become citizens to have any influence on how the democracy works in this country, correct?

I respect your freedom of speech but you would be more respected if you can be more polite to the PR applicants. Calling their actions "worthless", have you ever recalled the moment before you come to this country or become PR? Like many people here, even me, we say thing based on personal guesses and judgement. You are not a government official (I hope so), so please stop raising your voice. You have your way. We have ours. Not happy the way we do? Nobody asks you to involve in this campaign with destructive words. This is my very last message personally addressed to you sunshinemrc.

Thanks